Re:fear reactions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 3/29/00 7:14:32 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The 4 yr old is more sensitive and reacts to different sounds and sensations much more than his 3 yr old brother. Although this was horses, it reminded me of the terrible day my two baby brothers, aged 4 and 3, were lost in the wilderness under the I thought he was with you theory. We drove and ran dirt roads for 2 hours and finally found them. The 4-year-old was sobbing and the 3-year-old was fine. We said, Brad, weren't you scared? He said calmly, No, I knew Keith would find you. Could work with horses, too, couldn't it?
Re[2]: Trimming Manes
This message is from: Steve McIlree [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean-- Wednesday, March 29, 2000, you wrote: FISKARS! Look up all the posts on the FISKARS scissors in the archives. They have them at the craft and hardware stores. I just got the new spring loaded ones with the grey handle ($18) and BOY are they ever nice! I noticed they just started stocking the Soft Touch Fiskars at our local Sam's Clubs stores. I believe they were priced at $14. -- Steve McIlree -- Pferd Skipper -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA It's never the horse, it's always the rider. --Old Cavalry Adage
Re: Gestation
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lori I would get a foal predictor kit at your feed store or through catalogue. Saves a lot of late nights and wondering. My mare never bagged up until after foaling. Of course she could bring her milk in whether in foal or not.. Have iodine for the naval, be sure it is fresh and dip it several times. Just part of it. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Gestation
This message is from: Lori Puster [EMAIL PROTECTED] My mare is most likely about 315 day into her pregnancy. I have been reading that gestation periods of 320 to 370 days are normal. I have also read that the average foaling period is either 330 days and 345 days from breeding. What is typical for Fjords? Other things mentioned are maiden mares (add 10 days) and early, i.e. January to April breeding (add 10 days). Can anyone confirm these adjustments? Also, how soon before foaling does a mare ususally start developing an udder? What other physical signs should I be looking for to help me predict her foaling time? Anything else I should know? The more info I have the better I'll feel. Thanks, Lori P. Veneta, OR
Re: RBent Branderup
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] My German instructor always reminds me that compact, muscular horses like my Fjord need extra time to warm up because of their build. It really does feel like a wall until the hind end is active and they are loose in the back. I do a lot of supplying exercises with my horse, circles, serpentines, etc.,until he comes lower and softer. Then we can start to work. It is important not to push them in a frame with your hands. They must come through from you legs and seat.
Re: Trimming Manes
This message is from: Mike May, Registrar NFHR [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 04:49 PM 3/29/00 +0800, you wrote: This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well I cut Gwendellins mane for the first time today. I can't say it's a perfect job, but it turned out pretty good I think! I would like to have recommendations of types of scissors that work best for this procedure? The Fiskars are by far the best for mane trimming. Here is a picture of the ones that work the best: http://industrial.fiskars.com/scissors/products/9911.html for the little fine work try these: http://industrial.fiskars.com/scissors/products/9921.html Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Trimming Manes
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] FISKARS! Look up all the posts on the FISKARS scissors in the archives. They have them at the craft and hardware stores. I just got the new spring loaded ones with the grey handle ($18) and BOY are they ever nice! you hand doesn't get tired. I have had the large ones with the orange handles and they do great but these new soft touch Fiskars are even better! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where mild weather has returned after two days of winter again. +42F and rising! Well I cut Gwendellins mane for the first time today. I can't say it's a perfect job, but it turned out pretty good I think! I would like to have recommendations of types of scissors that work best for this procedure? Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Trimming Manes
This message is from: Sarah Vogeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well I cut Gwendellins mane for the first time today. I can't say it's a perfect job, but it turned out pretty good I think! I would like to have recommendations of types of scissors that work best for this procedure? Her mane is quite thick, and the ones I used were intended to cut human hair, but they still weren't sharp enough... I would ultimately prefer to use clippers, but if I made a boo boo, it would really show up! Thanks for your help, Jan! It was quite wonderful to cut my very own Fjord's mane! I couldn't have done it without your instruction! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
RBent Branderup
This message is from: M.Bijster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anneli, how lucky you are to be able to take lessons from Bent Branderup I read he was to be the royal Danish riding-teacher ? I send a picture of his book to Lori, so she can put it on the list It is wonderful and all about classical dressage And indeed he does not write negative about fjords, but rather says everybody can enjoy his or her own horsey and they can learn many more things than most peaple believe. Especially with Fjords, who canbe so stubborn and strong in their forehand, it is so important to ride them from behind, instead of holding them before. In that case you encounter a massive wall But when you ride your horse from behind, the mouth can stay supple My Hansje is going sideways now, yielding to the leg to left and right, but some days in trot she makes herself still very strong, because she is not so eager on yielding. It is hard work for her, which she never did before. But most of her blubber is gone now ! When I put my finger on her behind, it no longer wobbles from behind to her forehand, as it did. My saddle also fits better. She can even jump, as we learned last week. Greetings, from Marion, Holland
RE: Re: Re: Frighten Fjord
This message is from: Mary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can't necessarily agree that the trainer is no good just because the horse is afraid. I don't believe this positivily means the horse lacks confidence either. Perhaps this is just new to the horse and he has to learn to accept it I guess we just believe in different ways of doing things with horses. When my horses are scared of something new we are doing, I don't quit, I simply take more time. My feeling is that if a horse is terrified of being harnassed, them maybe we should get them over that before we put a disc harrow behind him. You are right that it depends on how long the horse is afraid, it is normal to have some fear, but a horse that is trembling certainly is not very confident in his situation or his handlers. I think the old cowboy way of breaking a horse worked just fine, it is just not what I am comfortable with, as I think there are better ways, and alot less horses and riders are injured by taking more time. --- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com
Re: Re: Frighten Fjord
This message is from: Lynn Mohr [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can't necessarily agree that the trainer is no good just because the horse is afraid. I don't believe this positivily means the horse lacks confidence either. Perhaps this is just new to the horse and he has to learn to accept it. If it continues for long and the horse continues to be afraid than maybe something else needs to be done. I am currently getting apair of full brothers broken to harness. The 4 yr old is more sensitive and reacts to different sounds and sensations much more than his 3 yr old brother. Once he accepts new things he is ok, but he is hesitant to try new things. If I only do things he is comfortable with he will never be anything other than what he is today. He has trembled at harnessing but got over it in no time. He pulls a wagon or cart with little trouble but is scared to death at the sound of a sliding stone boat. If I want him on the boat he will have to learn to accept the strange, to him, not his brother, noise. They have to learn to work through their fears with the handlers assurances and help. Everything is new at first and each animal accepts them differently but to be of any value they must learn to do what we want them to do when we want them to do it. If everytime a horse is fearful we quit, they soon learn they never have to do anything they don't want to, to me this is a greater chance of a problem or accident than working them through their fears.
Re: Fjords classical dressage
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Annelli, excellent idea re the training. What is tere a tere??? I also like your philosophy. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
RE: Re: Frighten Fjord
This message is from: Mary Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aaron is at the trainers and he trembles with fear, he is ground driving and pulling a 4ftx4ft. harrow, and mounts and walks and stops also But he trembles as if fearful. He's willing just seems scared. This is very sad. No matter what breed of horse it is, training should not continue until confidence is there. A wreck is waiting to happen, and either the horse or handler will be hurt. Stop now and go back to the basics of working this horse on the ground. Take him home and get his trust before you do anything else. A trainer that would continue with fear this strong is not a good trainer, please consider the good of the horse first. Mary --- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com
Re: Frighten Fjord
This message is from: Meredith Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from: Wertin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi meredith, I read your piece about Fjords temperment. However my Fjord Aaron is at the trainers and he trembles with fear, he is ground driving and pulling a 4ftx4ft. harrow, and mounts and walks and stops also But he trembles as if fearful. He's willing just seems scared. It hurts my heart to see him tremble. He's been timid since birth and was attached by a stallion as a yearly that's all I know from his owner. That is so sad. I have never heard of a Fjord who trembles with fear with normal handling. Of course, when I wrote about Fjords being so confident, I was speaking about my experience with my two ladies, and generalities based on what I have read and heard. I hope your fellow's fearful behavior gets better with time and that he gains confidence in himself and in those around him. Meredith Sessoms Soddy-Daisy. Tennessee. USA Dorina NFR Aagot
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This message is from: carol j makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wertin wrote: This message is from: Wertin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Fjord lovers, My name is Sheila from Wathena, KS and my new love is Aaron, 3yr. Fjord gelding. My question for you all is the training. I couldn't find a driving trainer so I sent him to be broke to ride and neck rein since then I've found a carriage trainer. He says I can't teach Aaron to neck rein and then to drive single because they are opposites and it will confuse him to the point he will lose the reining part some what. NOW I'm confused what to do not to mention the expence of wrong trainers. I'm open minded and would appreciate your advice. I've had horses all my life but none like this Fjord. In love with Fjords, Sheila Hi, So tell me what do these poor confused horses do that are shown English and Western? And driving? I'm no expert to say the least, but I am presently teaching my driving horse to neck rein for when I ride her western. Fjords are very smart and can learn many things if taught right. Carol M.
Re: Fjords classical dressage
This message is from: Julie Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] Very interesting post, Anneli, and as we say in America GO, GIRL! (means, step out there, do your thing...go for it!) - Original Message - From: Anneli Sundkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 6:27 AM Subject: Fjords classical dressage This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yesterday, I loaded my 7 yo Fjordgelding Cider on a trailer and drove 50 miles to have our first classical dressage lesson! About two-three years ago I first heard about the Danish trainer Bent Branderup that, according to the source, 'teaches and rides dressage like it was done in the 17th and 18th Centuries'. One year ago, I went to my first clinic with Branderup. I didn't bring a horse, but there was a Fjord among the horses that was ridden and I was impressed by the horse and by the trainer that was talking about Fjords like they were 'normal' dressage horses! We all know that most Fjords can learn much more dressage and perform much better than the public and most judges and trainers think. I had been fed up for years 'defending' my breed against people who thought I should by a warmblood because...Now, this was something different! Branderup teaches riders on all levels and he seems to have experience from many different kind of horses. His own favourite breed seems to b! e the Knabstrupper, a Danish spotted breed, but he talked about people he trained that were riding Fjords, Arabs, Standardbreds...you name it! So far, I've been to two of his clinics and there has been Fjords, an Icelandic horse, Andalusians, a Lipizzaner, a North-Swedish trotter (a draft breed), a North-Swedish/Connemara cross and of course warmbloods. It was wonderful to hear a trainer who doesn't give a damn about showing and competing. Not that there is any wrong in it, but if you have a horse that is not thought of as a promising show horse, it might be difficult to find a trainer where I live. Most trainers want their 'students' to show and to win to give the trainer credit (=more students). Branderup seems to be doing it for the art of it and his goal is to do the best of horse of rider, to educate them as high as possible. He told us about students who rides Fjords that do excellent piafs, of a standardbred, now 23 years old, who makes tere a tere and much more. I've wanted to bring my horse to a clinic, but it's extremly hard to get the opportunity. There are only 8 riders each clinic. Therefore, I've decided to start to ride for the organiser of the Branderup-clinics and yesterday was the starting point. I worked with the bending of Cider most of the time. This work was done at the walk and I belive I will keep on walking for many weeks. Unfortunately, I feel that my English is not good enough for me to explain the diffrences between 'modern' and 'classical' dressage. If you're intrested in dressage and encounter the name Bent Branderup - keep your eyes open! Regards Anneli
Fjords classical dressage
This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yesterday, I loaded my 7 yo Fjordgelding Cider on a trailer and drove 50 miles to have our first classical dressage lesson! About two-three years ago I first heard about the Danish trainer Bent Branderup that, according to the source, 'teaches and rides dressage like it was done in the 17th and 18th Centuries'. One year ago, I went to my first clinic with Branderup. I didn't bring a horse, but there was a Fjord among the horses that was ridden and I was impressed by the horse and by the trainer that was talking about Fjords like they were 'normal' dressage horses! We all know that most Fjords can learn much more dressage and perform much better than the public and most judges and trainers think. I had been fed up for years 'defending' my breed against people who thought I should by a warmblood because...Now, this was something different! Branderup teaches riders on all levels and he seems to have experience from many different kind of horses. His own favourite breed seems to b! e the Knabstrupper, a Danish spotted breed, but he talked about people he trained that were riding Fjords, Arabs, Standardbreds...you name it! So far, I've been to two of his clinics and there has been Fjords, an Icelandic horse, Andalusians, a Lipizzaner, a North-Swedish trotter (a draft breed), a North-Swedish/Connemara cross and of course warmbloods. It was wonderful to hear a trainer who doesn't give a damn about showing and competing. Not that there is any wrong in it, but if you have a horse that is not thought of as a promising show horse, it might be difficult to find a trainer where I live. Most trainers want their 'students' to show and to win to give the trainer credit (=more students). Branderup seems to be doing it for the art of it and his goal is to do the best of horse of rider, to educate them as high as possible. He told us about students who rides Fjords that do excellent piafs, of a standardbred, now 23 years old, who makes tere a tere and much more. I've wanted to bring my horse to a clinic, but it's extremly hard to get the opportunity. There are only 8 riders each clinic. Therefore, I've decided to start to ride for the organiser of the Branderup-clinics and yesterday was the starting point. I worked with the bending of Cider most of the time. This work was done at the walk and I belive I will keep on walking for many weeks. Unfortunately, I feel that my English is not good enough for me to explain the diffrences between 'modern' and 'classical' dressage. If you're intrested in dressage and encounter the name Bent Branderup - keep your eyes open! Regards Anneli
