Re: White dun - the most common Fjord color in the past!
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- sini seppala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: sini seppala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everybody. Came across some statistics that you might find interesting. Isn't it fascinating that the majority of Fjords actually used to be white duns during the second half of the 19th century! It would be nice to know why the Norwegian breeders quite suddenly started to favour brown duns, If you read the article The White Fjords of Hjerkin - reprinted a while back in the Fjord Herald - it tells a pretty good story of why the white duns fell out of favor. Basically, not much was known about genetics and recessive genes back then. SO, when a white dun was bred to a white dun they began getting what we call 'cremello' Fjords - white horses with pink skin, blue eyes, no dorsal or black in mane and tail. Not acceptable. Since they did not understand WHAT had happened - or WHY it happened - they just stopped breeding white duns, thinking there was a problem with them. Now that we understand recessive genes, etc., the white duns are gradually coming back in Norway. Mary And why were red duns always so rare The genetics of a red dun(or of the even more rare yellow dun) are rather complicated, to say the least. You might call their occurance almost an 'accident of nature'. Perhaps Anneli can help us out here on this one? Mary - = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: Off subject but neat
This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Knutsen Fjord Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Knutsen Fjord Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] REMEMBER WHEN: Sometimes to go forward, we must first go back. Close your eyes... go back... Thanks, Peg, for the memories!! Actually, for me it was Cherry Cokes, not Lemon, at the soda fountain Ditto for me - Mom drank lemon cokes, I drank cherry ones - the lady behind the soda fountain was an old family friend - and, no, we were't ashamed to be seen sittin' at the drugstore fountain with our parents!! Heavens, my cousin and I used to take our GRANDMOTHER to the local 'teenage hangout' with us for hamburgers and fries. The kids LOVED her - because she LIKED kids! Guess that makes us both old? G thanks again. Mary Peg Knutsen http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/ = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: saying hi
This message is from: Joyce Concklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Bushnell's [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Bushnell's [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 07:33 PM 07/06/2000 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Joyce Concklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just though I'd say hi from Hot and steamy Florida. We have been breeding and selling Fjords since 1990.We also turn quite a few heads at shows or just trail riding in the local forests. Yes ,Fjords do very well in Florida.If anyone is interested I do have a few young geldings for sale.I enjoy reading all the letters,since their are so few Fjord people in Florida. Hope you all have a cool summer. Joyce HI JOYCE! Welcome to the List. You're going to love it! As a matter of fact we are having a cool summer here in northwest Montana.. would you believe it froze the morning of the 5th? and, on the 4th of July we drove up into the remote Yaak region a few miles from the Canadian border and it WAS SNOWING! There were still a few spots of snow left on the ground from last winter too. We're all wondering if there'll be any first cutting hay that hasn't been drenched what with all the rain we've been having. Sure makes for great topics of conversations tho. = I wonder what trail riding is like down there, what do you have to watch out for? Hope we'll hear from you. Ruthie Hi,Ruthie, Trail riding through the woods here is like anywhere else just more sand.We have some hills where quite often we spook up dear and turkeys.My favorite is when we come across other riders and their horses get scared around or fjords because their different! One time we were in the Ocala Forest and we thought we saw hogs crossing the road ahead of us-upon closer look it turned out to be a black bear and her 2 cubs.Our horses just waited patiently until she went back into the woods. Unless we go early in the mornings now its too hot and muggy to trail ride. The end of the month we are going to Canada and hope the weater is cooler. Nice chatting with you Joyce __ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
Re: saying hi
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Very funny Ruthie, square meal from the round bales!! Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
white Fjords
This message is from: Dave McWethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Anneli, for the information on white Fjords. Can anyone speculate on how many of the white stallions of the 90's were Modella sons, or grandsons?
Re: saying hi
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] When I first moved here 22 years ago we had 32+ dairy farms. Ecology and health requirements etc. drove the dairy people out. We now have approximately seven dairies. Big equipment is for sale and few knowledgeable hay cutters are left. Also too many use the round bales now. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: Riba can dance/old days
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] After a month at the trainer's yesterday, I was given a demo of what Riba has learned since arriving greenbroke. Trainer said she was riding her out on BLM land every day, so i thought she was making me a trail horse. And she is. As I sat down and she road down the arena, all of a sudden Riba went sideways. Then she did shoulder in. Then she backed in a totally different way than I had her back before. Riba can dance!!! And she looked so feminine and pretty, now that she's not obese (wonder if that would work for me?) What the trainer meant by they don't life their feet high enough for dressage, was clarified. She says, I don't think they could ever go beyond third level. Since I'll probably never go near third level myself, we won't worry about it. I'm so excited and happy about my girl. And she says Ida is almost there. Sometimes there's only 2 good places in life, where you're going and where you've been. Old days: I remember being told no vet school for me, that was for boys. And so I thought I'd be a dog trainer for guide dogs and got a letter back, No girls, sorry. Took pre-college exams that exempted me from half the classes and was told I'd make a great nurse or secretary. Nope, I don't miss them, not even for a vanilla coke. And some of these new Italian sodas are really, really good. And I've had a wonderful life, but I think I would have been a great vet. Gail in NM
Anneli's color palette
This message is from: misha nogha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anneli that was awesome. I had so much fun reading it and was not bored at all! Some of my foals born are very dark gold, and some of them are very light almost spun honey colored. I like the light ones best in color. They are still technically brown duns but their coats are a very pale creamy color. Almost like too much milk in your coffee. It's a nice color. So if you ever find out what 'other colors' there were, I sould be interested to know the answer! Thanks Misha From Eastern Oregon http://www.eoni.com/~mishamez
Re: saying hi
This message is from: Bushnell's [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:23 AM 07/07/2000 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Montana, come over here where we have hay growing too mature in the fields because all the dang rules and regulations have run the farmers and mowers off. Jean How would that be Jean? What kind of rules and regulations? Ruthie
Re: saying hi
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Montana, come over here where we have hay growing too mature in the fields because all the dang rules and regulations have run the farmers and mowers off. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: saying hi
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gosh, and I was thinking of moving down to that area? It will be 80 degrees here today! (And smokey again from forest fires!) HI JOYCE! Welcome to the List. You're going to love it! As a matter of fact we are having a cool summer here in northwest Montana.. would you believe it froze the morning of the 5th? and, on the 4th of July we drove up into the remote Yaak region a few miles from the Canadian border and it WAS SNOWING! There were still a few spots of snow left on the ground from last winter too. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, Still over 21 hours sunlight and it doesn't get dark yet. First cutting of hay is in. (and I got a little!) Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Other colours
This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sini wrote: It would be nice to know why the Norwegian breeders quite suddenly started to favour brown duns, then, or was it a co-incidence. And why were red duns always so rare - is that gene so rare or did people generally find other colors more appealing or something? And what are those 'other colors' when as many as 23 % of the stallions were of other colors 1857-79 Warning: speculation will follow! My idea about the 'other colours' and the growing popularity of the brown dun is as follows: in the past, there were horses in the Vestland of many colours. For example, the Swedish hippologist C.G. Wrangel writes in his grand book 'Handbok för hästvänner' (Handbook for horsepeople), originally published in the 1880's about the colours of the Fjordhorse: 'Generally the Fjordhorse is light in colour: dun, different shades of dun often with black dices [I have no idea what he means - markings mabye] in the coat, black mane and tail, yellow with white mane and tail (isabella), mouse grey and pretty often light brown. There are painted horses but chestnuts and greys are rarely seen.' Concerning the painted horses, I think we all remember the 'skejevet' that Jen Tim has posted the link to; a brown dun Fjord with a white shoulder mark. Anyone who has red Arve M. Bakken's book 'Fjordhesten' (1985) may have noticed that in the old photos, there are horses with typical fjord-bodies but with very dark colour. Since the dun gene normally makes the colour lighter, I don't belive that these horses were duns. Their coats should have been lighter then...(now, this is REALLY speculation:o)...but anyway: During the late 1800's the Fjordhorse was almost destroyed by cross breeding experiments. The breed was finally saved when a meeting was held in 1907 and it was decided that all the traces of the Döle-horses that had been used for the cross breeding should be cleared out (read more about this on Ingvild's history page: http://www.multinett.no/ingvild/history.html). But there was not an easy thing to find pure breds any more after more than four decades of cross-breeding. Njål N166, who was brown dun became a very influential stallion. I belive that Njål became the symbol for the pure bred Fjordhorse and Njål was a brown dun. The 'problem' with white dun + white dun giving you a certain percentage of cremellos or perlios played a part too. The other colours were cleared out as sign of Döle-influence. The question is: was it really so? Was all Fjordhorses dun until the Döle years and after? I don't know, but what we DO know is that by the turn of the last century, 'pure bred' to many scholars ment 'similar in colour'. This drove many old farm breeds in Sweden to and over the brink of extinction (remember that Norway and Sweden was a union until 1905). The farmers hade bred their animals for generations, never caring about colour but looking at soundness, good temper etc. Suddenly, their breeds were no good and foreign breeds were introuduced to raise the production. The government were paying people to use Belgian stallions, English bulls etc on the native mares and cows and many old farm breeds were destroyed. For those who wanted to save 'their' breed, they had to prove that it was really a breed and then easiest way seem to have been to present animals with similar 'clothes'. In Sweden we have mountain cattle (Sw: Fjällko): white with black markings now, they used to be of many colours. Perhaps this is one of the reasons why the Fjordhorse is always dun? But I also belive that MOST of the Fjords were dun BEFORE the cross breeding and the saving of the breed. There are a very high percentage of duns in the figures Sini presented even from the first period of time, which covers the years before the crossbreeding as well as the first generations of Döle/Fjord crosses. This speaks in favour of many homozygotous dun in the breeding stock already. I belive that at least some of the Döle stallions were black. On the other hand - I don't know very much about the first years of the stud book...if the dun was a typical Fjord-thing already... AND now I have to go home, so I guess I have to continue my speculations on monday, unless everyone is bored by then. Have a nice weekend all of you! Anneli * Anneli Sundkvist Department of Archaeology Ancient History Uppsala University St. Eriks Torg 5 S-753 10 Uppsala Sweden Phone: +46-18-4712082 (dept.) +46-18-553627 (home) Isn't it fascinating that the majority of Fjords actually used to be white duns during the second half of the 19th century! I'm sorry I missed parts of the color discussion some time ago - did you already talk about this kind of issues? Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: Off subject but neat
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] dear peg, what a freshing item to the fjord list. i loved it and it did bring back some fond memories. thanks for the summer treat!! denise - Original Message - From: Knutsen Fjord Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 9:08 PM Subject: Off subject but neat This message is from: Knutsen Fjord Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] REMEMBER WHEN: Sometimes to go forward, we must first go back. Close your eyes... go back...before the internet the MAC, before semi automatics and crack. Before chronic indo, before SEGA or Super NintendoWa back I'm talkin' bout hide go seek at dusk. Sittin' on the porch, hot bread butter. The good humor man, red light, green light. Chocolate milk, lunch tickets, penny candy in a brown paper bag. Playin' pinball in the corner store. Hopscotch, butterscotch, doubledutch, jacks, kickball, dodgeball, y'all! Mother may I? Red Rover Roly Poly, hula hoops sunflower seeds, jolly ranchers, banana splits, wax lips mustaches. Running through the sprinkler, the smell of the sun lickin' salty lips Wait Watchin' Saturday morning cartoons, Fat Albert, Road Runner, He-Man, The Three Stooges, Bugs, or back further, listening to Superman on the radio. Catchin' lightening bugs in a jar, playin' sling shot. When around the corner seemed FAR AWAY! And going downtown seemed like going somewhere. Bedtime, climbing trees, an ice cream cone on a warm summer night. Chocolate or vanilla or strawberry or maybe butter pecan. A lemon coke from the fountain at the corner drug store. A million mosquito bites sticky fingers, cops n' robbers, cowboys indians, sittin on the curb, jumpin down the steps, jumping on the bed. Pillow fights, running till you were out of breath. Laughing so hard that your stomach hurt! Being tired from playin'remember that? I ain't finished just yet... Eating Kool-aid powder with sugar. Remember when... When there were two types of sneakers for girls boys, ( PF Flyers) and the only time you wore them at school, was for gym. When it took five minutes for the TV to warm up, if you even had one. (and watching the test pattern cuz it was all that was on, till programing started) When nearly everyone's mom was at home when the kids got there. When nobody owned a purebred dog. When a quarter was a decent allowance, and another quarter was a miracle. When milk went up one cent everyone talked about it for weeks? When you'd reach into a muddy gutter for a penny. When girls neither dated nor kissed until late high school, if then. When your mom wore nylons that came in two pieces. When all of your male teachers wore neckties female teachers had their hair done, everyday. When you got your windshield cleaned, oil checked, and gas pumped, without asking, for free, every time. And, you didn't pay for air. And, you got trading stamps to boot! When laundry detergent had free glasses, dishes or towels, hidden inside the box. When any parent could discipline any kid, or feed him or use him to carry groceries, nobody, not even the kid, thought a thing of it. When it was considered a great privilege to be taken out to dinner at a real restaurant with your parents. When they threatened to keep kids back a grade if they failed. And did! When being sent to the principal's office was nothing compared to the fate that awaited a misbehaving student, at home. Basically, we were in fear for our lives but it wasn't because of drive by shootings, drugs, gangs, etc. Our parents grandparents were a much bigger threat! And some of us are still afraid of em!!! Didn't that feel good.. Just to go back say yeah, I remember that! There's nothing like the good old days! They were good then, they're good now, when we think about them. Share some of these thoughts with a friend who can relate, then share it with someone who missed out on them. Actually, for me it was Cherry Cokes, not Lemon, at the soda fountain Peg Knutsen http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
Still on white duns:
This message is from: sini seppala [EMAIL PROTECTED] forgot to mention that there were no yellow duns at all among those stallions at any time. There were some mares, not one during 1860-79 but 0,2-0,6 % after that. So what are those other colors then as it doesn't mean yellow duns? The writer of this article in the Finnish Fjord leaflet says Norwegian breeders want to have horses of all FIVE colors these days althou red duns were not as well liked as the other variants in the past. The writer also says the lighter version of brown duns (the one which is still the most common) has been the most popular for a long time already. The text also says especially older Fjords may have a color which is hard to define as it changes from season to season. They may look like white duns when they have a short coat and like brown duns in the winter. People also said Solkungen 882 (a certain stallion) was a brown dun and quite rightly so - although, according to his genes, he was a white dun. Go figure. When he bred brown dun mares the foals were often white duns. It also says here 'white duns got a bad reputation as, at some point people didn't know enough about how colors are passed on, and it's said a lot of white duns were bred to white duns which is said to have resulted in white foals with albino eyes.' Sini.
White dun - the most common Fjord color in the past!
This message is from: sini seppala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everybody. Came across some statistics that you might find interesting. Only parts of them were shown in the article I saw in the Finnish Fjord horse leaflet so I there are gaps between the chosen periods and the lenght of the periods vary - I don't know why. This would be easier to show as a statistic but the lines would get mixep up. So: It says here that during the years 1857-79 when 102 Fjord stallions were accepted in Norway, the most common color was white dun (48 % of all) while only 27,4 % of them were brown duns. One of them was a grey dun (1,0 %). No red duns at all were accepted. 23,6 % of the stallions were of other color than any of these. During 1900-09 the total of 179 stallions were accepted and the most common color was brown dun, 65,9 % of all. White duns came second, 19,6 %. Grey dun percentage was 3,4 %. One red dun (0,6 %) was accepted. 10,5 % of the stallions were of other color than any of these. From 1930-39 the total of 252 stallions were accepted and the most common color was still brown dun, now as many as 89,7 % of them were brown duns. White duns: 8,3 %. Grey duns: 1,6 %. Red duns: 0,4 %. No stallions of other colors were accepted. From 1960-69 the total of 95 stallions were accepted. Brown duns: 95,8 %. White duns: 0 %. Grey duns: 4,2 %. Red duns: 0 %. No stallions of other colors were accepted. From 1990-1999 the total of 41 stallions were accepted. Brown duns: 85,4 %. White duns: 2,4 %. Grey duns: 9,8 %. Red duns: 2,4 %. No stallions of other colors were accepted. MARES: 1860-79 the total of 62 mares were accepted: Brown duns: 30,7 %. White duns: 46,8 %. Grey duns: 1,6 %. Red duns: 4,8 %. Other colors: 16,1 %. 1900-09 the total of 512 mares were accepted: Brown duns: 62,7 %. White duns: 20,9 %. Grey duns: 3,7 %. Red duns: 2,9 %. Other colors: 9,6 %. 1930-39 the total of 4363 mares were accepted: Brown duns: 83,6 %. White duns: 9,5 %. Grey duns: 1,7 %. Red duns: 4,2 %. Other colors: 0,5 %. 1965-70 the total of 539 mares were accepted: Brown duns: 90,5 %. White duns: 2,1 %. Grey duns: 1,7 %. Red duns: 4,6 %. Other colors: 0 %. 1980-85 the total of 714 mares were accepted: Brown duns: 88,2 %. White duns: 2,1 %. Grey duns: 3,7 %. Red duns: 5,6 %. Other colors: 0 %. Isn't it fascinating that the majority of Fjords actually used to be white duns during the second half of the 19th century! It would be nice to know why the Norwegian breeders quite suddenly started to favour brown duns, then, or was it a co-incidence. And why were red duns always so rare - is that gene so rare or did people generally find other colors more appealing or something? And what are those 'other colors' when as many as 23 % of the stallions were of other colors 1857-79 I'm sorry I missed parts of the color discussion some time ago - did you already talk about this kind of issues? Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Re: MORE Off subject but neat
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are a few other things I remember when. Remember when we grow up with the war in Vietnam on the bw TV every night? Watching the draft lottery every year to see when 18 year olds with your birthday would be called up? Remember growing up with the certainty that when you turned 18 you were going off to war?Remember when we lost the Kennedy's? Or King? Remember the Chicago Police clubbing students? Or the Ohio National Guard Killing students? Remember how it took soldiers to get a black kid into school in Alabama? It was most definatly a different world we grew up in. But it's up to us to see that our children look back at these times with the same fondness as we look back at our times. Every age has it's wonders and it's horrors, and each shapes and molds us in countless ways. Knutsen Fjord Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent by:cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Off subject but neat ystery.com 07/07/2000 12:08 AM Please respond to fjordhorse This message is from: Knutsen Fjord Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] REMEMBER WHEN: Sometimes to go forward, we must first go back. Close your eyes... go back...before the internet the MAC, before semi automatics and crack. Before chronic indo, before SEGA or Super NintendoWa back I'm talkin' bout hide go seek at dusk. Sittin' on the porch, hot bread butter. The good humor man, red light, green light. Chocolate milk, lunch tickets, penny candy in a brown paper bag. Playin' pinball in the corner store. Hopscotch, butterscotch, doubledutch, jacks, kickball, dodgeball, y'all! Mother may I? Red Rover Roly Poly, hula hoops sunflower seeds, jolly ranchers, banana splits, wax lips mustaches. Running through the sprinkler, the smell of the sun lickin' salty lips Wait Watchin' Saturday morning cartoons, Fat Albert, Road Runner, He-Man, The Three Stooges, Bugs, or back further, listening to Superman on the radio. Catchin' lightening bugs in a jar, playin' sling shot. When around the corner seemed FAR AWAY! And going downtown seemed like going somewhere. Bedtime, climbing trees, an ice cream cone on a warm summer night. Chocolate or vanilla or strawberry or maybe butter pecan. A lemon coke from the fountain at the corner drug store. A million mosquito bites sticky fingers, cops n' robbers, cowboys indians, sittin on the curb, jumpin down the steps, jumping on the bed. Pillow fights, running till you were out of breath. Laughing so hard that your stomach hurt! Being tired from playin'remember that? I ain't finished just yet... Eating Kool-aid powder with sugar. Remember when... When there were two types of sneakers for girls boys, ( PF Flyers) and the only time you wore them at school, was for gym. When it took five minutes for the TV to warm up, if you even had one. (and watching the test pattern cuz it was all that was on, till programing started) When nearly everyone's mom was at home when the kids got there. When nobody owned a purebred dog. When a quarter was a decent allowance, and another quarter was a miracle. When milk went up one cent everyone talked about it for weeks? When you'd reach into a muddy gutter for a penny. When girls neither dated nor kissed until late high school, if then. When your mom wore nylons that came in two pieces. When all of your male teachers wore neckties female teachers had their hair done, everyday. When you got your windshield cleaned, oil checked, and gas pumped, without asking, for free, every time. And, you didn't pay for air. And, you got trading stamps to boot! When laundry detergent had free glasses, dishes or towels, hidden inside the box. When any parent could discipline any kid, or feed him or use him to carry groceries, nobody, not even the kid, thought a
SV: Creamello?
This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blue eyes are often connected to certain colours/patterns, but there are also cases when it just happens. I've also red about horses that were born with blue eyes that turned dark with age. The skin may also go darker. All red duns are born with white hooves which turn dark pretty soon. I guess that the breeders on the list can give much more information about the skin/hoof colour change of the foals. But I think that the average red dun has brown eyes from the start. I'm not sure if blue eyes that turn dark are linked to the dilute colours or if it may happen with all colours. The dilute/creme gene makes the eyes lighter, but two dilute genes are needed to make them blue. If your horse is a cremello dun, he most have inherited the creme-gene from BOTH parents. In that case, his mother probably is a yellow dun, incorrectly registred as a red dun. What colour is his father? Regards Anneli * Anneli Sundkvist Department of Archaeology Ancient History Uppsala University St. Eriks Torg 5 S-753 10 Uppsala Sweden Phone: +46-18-4712082 (dept.) +46-18-553627 (home)
Re: saying hi
This message is from: Bushnell's [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 07:33 PM 07/06/2000 -0700, you wrote: This message is from: Joyce Concklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just though I'd say hi from Hot and steamy Florida. We have been breeding and selling Fjords since 1990.We also turn quite a few heads at shows or just trail riding in the local forests. Yes ,Fjords do very well in Florida.If anyone is interested I do have a few young geldings for sale.I enjoy reading all the letters,since their are so few Fjord people in Florida. Hope you all have a cool summer. Joyce HI JOYCE! Welcome to the List. You're going to love it! As a matter of fact we are having a cool summer here in northwest Montana.. would you believe it froze the morning of the 5th? and, on the 4th of July we drove up into the remote Yaak region a few miles from the Canadian border and it WAS SNOWING! There were still a few spots of snow left on the ground from last winter too. We're all wondering if there'll be any first cutting hay that hasn't been drenched what with all the rain we've been having. Sure makes for great topics of conversations tho. = I wonder what trail riding is like down there, what do you have to watch out for? Hope we'll hear from you. Ruthie
off topic: girths and Ortho-Flexes
This message is from: sini seppala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, would you know where to find a flexible western type of girth anywhere in the world? A flexible girth is so much more comfortable for the horse and also safer as it adjusts to the horse so it always stays tight enough. We have a few English ones that have a flexible end and are with two buckles - they don't fit these western saddles that are for just one big buckle. The English girths are also too long for these saddles. Also, we're looking for Ortho-Flexes: Cyclone, Softsteel Turn-A-Burn, Softsteel Trailpardner and Softsteel Patriot are the ones we've mainly been thinking about. If you know of any which would be for sale second hand or new I'd be grateful to know! Also if you have had these modles on your Fjords - it'd be great to hear how they fit on a round and short back like they often have. Which one of those so called systems do you need to have for a Fjord? Thank you and have a good summer day all Sini in Finland. home page at http://www.saunalahti.fi/~partoy/Juhola6.html
Off subject but neat
This message is from: Knutsen Fjord Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] REMEMBER WHEN: Sometimes to go forward, we must first go back. Close your eyes... go back...before the internet the MAC, before semi automatics and crack. Before chronic indo, before SEGA or Super NintendoWa back I'm talkin' bout hide go seek at dusk. Sittin' on the porch, hot bread butter. The good humor man, red light, green light. Chocolate milk, lunch tickets, penny candy in a brown paper bag. Playin' pinball in the corner store. Hopscotch, butterscotch, doubledutch, jacks, kickball, dodgeball, y'all! Mother may I? Red Rover Roly Poly, hula hoops sunflower seeds, jolly ranchers, banana splits, wax lips mustaches. Running through the sprinkler, the smell of the sun lickin' salty lips Wait Watchin' Saturday morning cartoons, Fat Albert, Road Runner, He-Man, The Three Stooges, Bugs, or back further, listening to Superman on the radio. Catchin' lightening bugs in a jar, playin' sling shot. When around the corner seemed FAR AWAY! And going downtown seemed like going somewhere. Bedtime, climbing trees, an ice cream cone on a warm summer night. Chocolate or vanilla or strawberry or maybe butter pecan. A lemon coke from the fountain at the corner drug store. A million mosquito bites sticky fingers, cops n' robbers, cowboys indians, sittin on the curb, jumpin down the steps, jumping on the bed. Pillow fights, running till you were out of breath. Laughing so hard that your stomach hurt! Being tired from playin'remember that? I ain't finished just yet... Eating Kool-aid powder with sugar. Remember when... When there were two types of sneakers for girls boys, ( PF Flyers) and the only time you wore them at school, was for gym. When it took five minutes for the TV to warm up, if you even had one. (and watching the test pattern cuz it was all that was on, till programing started) When nearly everyone's mom was at home when the kids got there. When nobody owned a purebred dog. When a quarter was a decent allowance, and another quarter was a miracle. When milk went up one cent everyone talked about it for weeks? When you'd reach into a muddy gutter for a penny. When girls neither dated nor kissed until late high school, if then. When your mom wore nylons that came in two pieces. When all of your male teachers wore neckties female teachers had their hair done, everyday. When you got your windshield cleaned, oil checked, and gas pumped, without asking, for free, every time. And, you didn't pay for air. And, you got trading stamps to boot! When laundry detergent had free glasses, dishes or towels, hidden inside the box. When any parent could discipline any kid, or feed him or use him to carry groceries, nobody, not even the kid, thought a thing of it. When it was considered a great privilege to be taken out to dinner at a real restaurant with your parents. When they threatened to keep kids back a grade if they failed. And did! When being sent to the principal's office was nothing compared to the fate that awaited a misbehaving student, at home. Basically, we were in fear for our lives but it wasn't because of drive by shootings, drugs, gangs, etc. Our parents grandparents were a much bigger threat! And some of us are still afraid of em!!! Didn't that feel good.. Just to go back say yeah, I remember that! There's nothing like the good old days! They were good then, they're good now, when we think about them. Share some of these thoughts with a friend who can relate, then share it with someone who missed out on them. Actually, for me it was Cherry Cokes, not Lemon, at the soda fountain Peg Knutsen http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
