Anti-Chew
Made him thinktwice before indicriminately grabbing something in hismouth. He eventually outgrew this - or got tired ofnever knowing if it would taste bad or not - andstopped the behaviour. This was a horse that wouldgrab anything he could reach, chew his manger, andvirtually 'ate' lead ropes! I'm sorry to report Anti-Chew doesn't work well with everyone. Several years ago, our two origional fjords and one appy were living in a pasture with a shelter. They kept eating the wood of the shelter walls. We tried everything recommended from the vets, to the feed stores to 'old cowboys' to stop them from chewing up the walls. The day I brough home some Anti-Chew and started spraying the walls, with the three guys watching over my shoulder, and my mare then started licking the Anti-Chew from the wall, and then put her mouth over the bottle 'requesting to be sprayed directly into her mouth.'!!! I gave up on all sprays, and then hotwired all the walls of the shelter so they couldn't and wouldn't touch them. I got zapped plenty while feeding them, but that was the only way I could get them off of the wood.(I think the kidsstarted laughing everytime I got zapped. LOOK AT THATFUNNY HUMAN. She can't learn a thing about hot wires. We know enough to stay away. Funny she can't seem to!) Soap, cyan pepper, chili peppers, soap and bitter apple, Anti-chew, chew stop, and $40.00 of other stuff to get them to leave the shelter alone. Didn't work, hot wire did. I'll try it, Mary. Grooming and tacking her up are the hardest part of dealing with her. She rides like a dream. Same behavior you describe. She loves riding gloves. Good Luck Mel Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: trailriding
This message is from: Storme Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Seems like the best way to find and be around 'God / The Great Spirit' to me Carol...That is one of my main reasons for ridingit seems like such a spiritual activity on some levels. Does it ever get too cold to ride? Storme carol wrote: This message is from: carol [EMAIL PROTECTED] I often say that my God does not live in a church, but in the wilderness, and only my horse can take me to see Him ... For thirty years now I have been meeting my God while trail riding in the woods. A day on my horse in the woods brings me closer to my maker than going to church on Sunday. Good rationale too ... since we spend most EVERY weekend all summer at one horse camp or another. The only time I visit my regular church is when it is too cold to ride ... Carol Tacey Rhode Island
only in America
This message is from: carol j makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List, Here's a good one: ONLY IN AMERICA Only in America...can a pizza get to your house faster than an ambulance. Only in America...are there handicap parking places in front of a skating rink. Only in America...do drugstores make the sick walk all the way to the back of the store to get their prescriptions, while healthy people can buy cigarettes at the front. Only in America...do people order double cheese burgers, large fries and a diet coke. Only in America...do banks leave vault doors open and then chain the pens to the counter. Only in America...do we leave cars worth thousands of dollars in the drivway and put our junk in the garage. Hello... Only in America...do we use answering machines to screen calls and have call waiting so we won't miss a call from someone we didn't want to talk to in the first place. Only in America...do we buy hot dogs in packages of ten and buns in packages of eight. Only in America...do they have drive-up ATM machines with Braille lettering. Only in America...do we use the work 'politics' to describe the process so well: 'Poli' in Latin meaning 'many' and 'tics' meaning 'bloodsucking creatures'. -- Built FJORD tough Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
RE: Visiting Fjords
This message is from: Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Storme and Sally, You are most gracious to write this about our funny farm. We certainly enjoyed showing you around and introducing you (both) to our flock of critters. You are most welcome here anytime.especially now that you've found out where Pack's Peak is. VBG Hucklebuck sends his best wishes also Thanks for the plug for our spread. To all: These gals are eager to learn and have fallen for Fjords. Invite them in and teach them. They absorb information like sponges. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Pack's Llama Way Wilkeson, WA USA (you wrote): Subject: Re: Visiting Fjords This message is from: Storme Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello all~~ I had the pleasure of visiting Fred Pack and his wonderful home of Fjords, Llamas, dog deer and a various assortment of other beings. I had a wonderful time, thank you Fred. I have now seen other Fjords besides my Jordan, and I just love them. If any of you are thinking of buying a Fjord, Freds yearlings are amazing! They love to be touched and handled, are well mannered and just adorable. I will be going to the Montesano/Aberdeen area this coming Saturday-01/13/01--if any of you in that area will be in town I would love to stop by and see your Fjords as well. Thank you again Fred~~ Storme Lee
Fence gates as Exercise Bars ...
This message is from: Cheryl Beillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello listers .. just thought, in all the discussions of horses/halters and other antics, that I should tell you that I have a mare here who does daily stretching exercises at the paddock gate, gentle stretches with one hoof delicately balanced on the second bar .. sort of what I recall as the way one warms up at the bar, in ballet .. Bragda must have learned this at Old Hickory Farm -- I understand they do warm ups before classes. Several others do leaps in the air .. I'm wondering where I can get her a tutu and slippers -- does anyone know if they make Mustad No-Snow pads for ballet shoes?
Secret Santa revealed
This message is from: Laurie Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] I got my gift from my Secret Santa, aka Lisa Pedersen, today. It's a nice big Fjord crossing sign. Thanks Lisa! I know just where I'm going to put it. Laurie
Re: Natural horsemanship trainers
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/8/01 9:21:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . I never had to use a stud chain even once. In fact, you can even lead my stallion with a string if you like. Not only that, so once you learn these methods you maybe have paid for (far less than a hospital bill would have been if a horse knocked you down rushing out of a stall) you have that knowledge for the rest of your life. g I understand what you're saying about Natural Horsemanship. It IS a good tool. But don't knock stud chains. They have their proper place too! Used properly, instead of as a weapon they can be an essential training tool. My horses know clicker training, and I use mostly pretty gentle methods of dealing with them. But when Skylark disregarded ALL the methods when I started bathing her, she needed a different tool. This horse was trying to push through me, over me or around me to get away from the water. And I was only starting at her feet! It had been years since I used a studchain, but I dug deep for it. Found it, put it on her and started bathing her again. She learned it didn't pay to push me around. In one quick, easy lesson. THEN I was able to go BACK to clicking her as a reward for standing nicely as I moved the hose farther up her legs to her body. She still doesn't love getting bathed, but she's safe. So I'm happy for you that you've never had to use a stud chain, but remember, they are not a source of all evil! LOL. And remember also, I learned how to properly use the stud chain by Monty Roberts, way back in 1975 when he was my boss, long before Natural Horsemanship became popular. There are good things about all the different styles of training. Some work for some, other styles work better with other people. I like Classical riding and training best. I dislike Gawani Pony Boy most! I'm rambling again, but I just meant to say that I agree with 98% of your post Misha, but had to put in my 2 cents for the proper use of a stud chain. Pamela
Fw: Driving Storm!
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 6:23 PM Subject: Re: Driving Storm! dear sue, i am new to the game of horses too. i have a few years under my belt, but nothing like some of the people on the list. i do work my horses daily, absorb the list suggestions and read, read, read, and read some more. please get some professional help before you get hurt. i don't mean to be pushy, but some of the things you described doing, IMHO, ARE DANGEROUS!! never slip your hand through a halter, never stand behind a horse's rump, unless you keep your hand on them and walk by as close to them as possible to minimize the force of a kick should they decide to do so. any horse will kick and it only takes one in the head. always stand off to the side, whether you are grooming or whatever. as for ground driving so close behind that you can tap his rump, OMG! i repeat, one swift kick would be all it would take! the tarp thing is good, but never with a young horse in an enclosed stall. better a round pen. start with the tarp folded up to a small square. let him sniff it, gently rub the square all over him. if he even starts to spook, withdraw and start over slowly. keep doing this till he is comfortable and GRADUALLY work up to larger and larger squares. eventually, sometimes after many sessions, you will be able to have to whole thing opened and waving it in the breeze without a response. but that is awhile and he is still so young. i suggest, as mentioned before, a professional trainer first, then the roundpen tapes by john lyons. so far i think you have some pretty horse saavy guardian angels. i just don't want to see you get hurt. denise in overcast and rainy (i hope) northern calif. - Original Message - From: Sue Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...I actually drove Storm today. .lead him yesterday, I just slipped my hand throught his halter... Yes he is broken to lead. He just decided not to yesterday. He figured if I was dumb enough to try leading him without a lead line then he would just do as he pleased, thank you very much. .Today, I was right fair behind his rump, even tapping him with my hand to get him started at first when he nor I knew what we were doing. He has never, ever kicked at us The other night I took a rattly tarp into his box stall. Hubby said he was not taking me to the hospital...((:.I took that tarp and pulled it over mine and Storms heads and played peekaboo with him. ...I don't know what will happen tomorrow... Sue in N.B. (Desert Storm's mom)
Re: NM horses
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/8/01 11:49:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But the problem horse isn't in NM. I have two of Ginny's horses and I think they're very pretty girls. I'm moving my girls to AZ this year. They have barns with misters Yes. Mike told me of my error. Ginny does breed some beautiful horses, doesn't she! If you can believe it, we even use misters in our barns here in Oregon in August, early September! I remember the swamp cooler from my year in New Mexico. Very nice way to air condition a house, but sure wouldn't work in Oregon! Pamela
Natural horsemanship trainers
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can't really understand why so many people are against Natural Horsemanship trainers but it seems to be that they feel it is because these men and women have made money off of imparting knowledge to people that really need it. Universities make money off of people for imparting knowledge and I don't see anyone flaming them. And am certainly glad my veterinarian went to one of these Universities to get the knowledge he has to care for my animals. Perhaps he didn't like to have paid that much money for his knowledge but I am sure glad he has it! In the case of Desert Storm, here is a woman who loves her horse, and is thinking about getting rid of him do to a problem that a nautral horsemanship method could cure in less than 20 minutes. It would be SO EASY to teach him to keep from pulling on the line and charging out of the stall and it all could be done without hurt or injury or even any fuss for the horse and horse owner. Horses are huge animals and it is very easy for one who is not cooperatiing to maim or kill the handler, or even itself by not paying attention to what is going on. When I get email from a buyer who has one of my yearlings, a very energetic Fjord too, who says that she can lean against him (she has a bad leg) to go from stall to pasture and he adjusts his steps for her so she doesn't have to tug on him--I think to myself--and it was a very simple and painless task to bring a horse to this level, and fun too, it bothers me to see people give up on their horses so easily. Over the years of being a Fjord breeder I have had many horses come to my farm that were disrespectful, that leaned on the halter and essentially dragged the owner all over the place. It took only one or two sessions with the horse to say, hey, that's not acceptable. I never had to use a stud chain even once. In fact, you can even lead my stallion with a string if you like. Not only that, so once you learn these methods you maybe have paid for (far less than a hospital bill would have been if a horse knocked you down rushing out of a stall) you have that knowledge for the rest of your life. Shame on people for cutting down astute horsemen and horsewomen for making money off of their business, and at the same time doing a great service to horses and riders all across the world. Especially those people who have never taken a weeks course from either Lyons, Parelli, Roberts of my personal favorite, the amazing and lesser known Barbara Apple. (she is not rich--duh hey). The bottom line for the Natural Horsemanship methods is that they work, they work fast, and well, and they are fun and creative methods for BOTH horse and rider. If you are having a problem with your horse, don't just dump the horse if you care for it and love it, get some help! Misha Shota Fjords
Re: Visiting Fjords
This message is from: Storme Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello all~~ I had the pleasure of visiting Fred Pack and his wonderful home of Fjords, Llamas, dog deer and a various assortment of other beings. I had a wonderful time, thank you Fred. I have now seen other Fjords besides my Jordan, and I just love them. If any of you are thinking of buying a Fjord, Freds yearlings are amazing! They love to be touched and handled, are well mannered and just adorable. I will be going to the Montesano/Aberdeen area this coming Saturday-01/13/01--if any of you in that area will be in town I would love to stop by and see your Fjords as well. Thank you again Fred~~ Storme Lee
Re: driving Desert Storm
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I hate to rain on somebody's parade, but I feel obligated to say that I think a total beginner driving a horse with that little training and experience is a bad accident waiting to happen. I wouldn't do it. I suggest Beaver Dam's tape on driving. You want to walk a lot of miles behind that horse before you hitch him up. Gail D. Vinson Las Cruces, NM
Re: cabin fever
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/8/01 9:38:49 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: U. Jean ? They have cancelled your day pass, dear, and the Nurses are out looking for you. Oh yea, they increased your AM dose again, and you need to check in those sizzors, K ? Lisa Pedersen --psych. Nurse She can't help it. Have you ever read the Robert Service poem about cabin fever up there? And it's only January. But she is writing a cook book, 150 ways to cook elk. Gail D. Vinson Las Cruces, NM
Re: NM horses
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/8/01 9:38:49 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 'd recommend contacting Ginny Cowles and asking her the phone number of her trainer, Jackie. Sue Sorger is a friend of Jackie's and works with her. But the problem horse isn't in NM. I have two of Ginny's horses and I think they're very pretty girls. I'm moving my girls to AZ this year. They have barns with misters (no not Mr.'s) and swamp coolers there. Gail D. Vinson Las Cruces, NM
Re: horse feeder
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/8/01 9:38:49 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and today she knocked over their new hay feeder, (the kind thats about 4 feet tall, put the hay in the top and has a catcher below) We will probably have to ANCHOR it!! Michelle, I bought one of these, a big one, and had to get rid of it because the girls knocked it over and took it for a walk every night and I thought it was dangerous. Also I am told horses are better off eating low and naturally because of dangers from dust in hay. Gail D. Vinson Las Cruces, NM
Re: only things I have killed ?
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now Lisa friend I surely fear Your are off base, I tell you dear. I a killer? nope, and take no dope love fellow man and surely hope you calm down soon as I can see this raging is not good for thee! : Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: Internet training
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL [EMAIL PROTECTED] You might be surprised what your vet has learned from reading articles only. Vet school (or medical school, for that matter) does not necessarily provide hands on training for all procedures. My former father-in-law was an orthopedic surgeon. He pioneered hip replacement surgery in his areaall via articles and simulated demos from the surgical tool company salesmen. I had a vet operate on my cowwith an assistant reading out of a manual as she went...the cow survived fineafter opening up her rumen and emptying the fermenting contents. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Natural horsemanship trainers
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/8/01 9:21:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Shame on people for cutting down astute horsemen and horsewomen for making money off of their business, and at the same time doing a great service to horses and riders all across the world. Especially those people who have never taken a weeks course from either Lyons, Parelli, Roberts of my personal favorite, the amazing and lesser known Barbara Apple. (she is not rich--duh hey). The bottom line for the Natural Horsemanship methods is that they work, they work fast, and well, and they are fun and creative methods for BOTH horse and rider. AMEN! There is no method that will work 100% of the time for 100% of horses. I really enjoy learning from different sources: books, horse expos, etc. I take bits from each way, try them, and combine what works for me and my horses, physically and mentally. I tell you the clicker training was a BREAKTHROUGH for us and simple Parelli exercises, combined with the clicker, took me to new levels in light and responsive riding. I have seen too many cases (saw one this weekend, in fact, made me sick!) where owners, often experienced horse people, use force to make their horse do something which it has no way of comprehending. They claim the horse is ornery or stubborn when in truth the horse is confused and scared. Natural horsemanship in its many forms helps us two-leggeds understand the language of our hooved friends, and communicate with them effectively. Brigid Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA A HREF=http://members.nbci.com/mrgnpetsit/fjord1;Our Fjords/A Brigid Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA A HREF=http://members.nbci.com/mrgnpetsit/fjord1;Our Fjords/A
Re: Internet training
This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] listers, all of this grousing lately about the pros and cons of internet, books, tapes and seminars etc. have left a bit of an oh come on you guys, quite being so petty taste in my mouth. i don't care how a person learns or what source they use. the point is, is that they keep an open mind, use any resource they have available to them, use another technique if the first does work, seek professional help and keep trying. lets encourage people on this list and be more positive. please, denise
Internet training
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] You learned to train a horse off reading an article ont he internet and it did not work. Gee, glad my vet didn't learn how to do surgery by reading an article off the internet. see what I am saying?
Re: trailriding
This message is from: carol [EMAIL PROTECTED] I often say that my God does not live in a church, but in the wilderness, and only my horse can take me to see Him ... For thirty years now I have been meeting my God while trail riding in the woods. A day on my horse in the woods brings me closer to my maker than going to church on Sunday. Good rationale too ... since we spend most EVERY weekend all summer at one horse camp or another. The only time I visit my regular church is when it is too cold to ride ... Carol Tacey Rhode Island
training to lead
This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] This was posted to the CD-L List, in reply to a post about how to handle/train a horse to lead correctly. I think it is very timely, and the author Angela Cichetti Deppe, has some very good points. It was reprinted here with her permission Enjoy, Karen Great Basin Fjords Carson City, NV - My two cents. I haven't trained huge numbers of horses, in fact some of my most elucidating experience was gotten giving obedience lessons to dogs at 'kennel camp' during summers in college - but I do have my little piece of the elephant to contribute. I use John Lyons methods for trailer loading (saw it in a mag article - it isn't in his first book)- it works impeccably for me though it might take more than one session, so don't think I'm against this kind of training. But John Lyons methods don't work every time, it will state that right in his books. A barn mate of mine is John Lyons certified, and knows John personally. She and I have had some hushed conversations on what 'really' works on badly spoiled and aggressive animals who have been allowed to learn they are stronger than humans - similar to what Marjean writes. (For what it's worth, she also says JL won't even do ponies!! I had hoped she was joking, but she seemed serious...) Timing is everything when you are training any kind of animals. There is a program on public television that has a dog trainer named Uncle Matty - if you want to see just how effective consistent timing is, watch that program. Ponies seem to learn more on 'dog' time than 'horse' time - their strides are so small that you have to react very quickly to catch their mistakes so that they associate them with the corrections you give. Whenever you use a severe correction (I'll stay out of the fray on where and how hard), your timing must be exquisite, whatever you do must be brief, and you must not be taking out your temper. If you do find yourself in a situation where a horse is challenging and or threatening you, you might find that those things are beyond your abilities if you are the average upset, confused and frightened horse owner. That is why listers will so quickly recommend professional help - not because they are salesmen, but because they want you to stay alive too. I also think we should be nicer to each other on CD-L - it's a bit hypocritical to be so namby pamby about horsemanship, then turn around and be so blithely insensitive to people. I'd take a blow between the eyes any day over being humiliated in front of thousands of people. Angela Cichetti Deppe Sykesville, MD _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Laminitis conference
This message is from: Dave McWethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wrote this for the CD-L and had a request to put it here also. One of the cases Gene Ovenicek used to explain the success of his methods of founder repair showed a picture of a Fjord horse, who went from disastrous feet to sound. I wondered if it might be one Nancy Lehnert owned (she and Gene live not too far apart, and he had done farrier work for her). This was a horse Nancy had bought in a bunch - not a problem she caused. She was ready to give up on the horse, but said to Gene that she would give him the horse, and if he could fix it, she would buy him back. The short version of the story is that Nancy did buy the horse (a twice-bought horse), following Gene's successful work. If you're online, Nancy, and have more to add to this (or corrections!), let us know. I asked Gene after the presentation if this was the same horse, and he said yes. Here's the copy: I've been putting off writing about a super good conference I went to in early December. It was organized by Rochester (NH) Vet Clinic and held at the Univ of NH. The main speaker were Dr Chris Pollitt, a prominent researcher in laminitis from Australia, and Gene Ovenicek, a farrier from Montana who has created the Equine Digital Support System for treating founder. Gene also is one of the principal proponents of four point trims. I guess for the first time I started to understand how the lamellae work to connect hoof ultimately with bone. Turns out the actual connection is a molecule called laminin 5. With Dr Pollitt's excellent projected pictures, we could see how the lamellae are incredible shock absorbers for the foot. He has worked long and hard to try to understand the actual mechanics of laminitis. I can't by any means reconstruct the lecture for you, but I remember two principal causes were bovine streptococcus in the caecum which flourish in the presence of high carbohydrates, like a big load of grain. Also causative were sugars called fructans, which occur in some plants in early high growth in spring and early summer. Quack grass was something that caused laminitis because of fructans. I'm a little hazy on what happens between the intestine and the foot, but recall that interference with normal levels of glucose in the foot was what set up the sequence of chemical events that cause the actual laminitis. Before I get any deeper into what I barely understand, I'll tell of some research he mentioned. He said they had done testing of hoof temperature at the outer surface of the lamina. Try to follow these numbers which are easier in graph form: outside temps were -10C. Horse body temps were 40C. In several horses they monitored temps for 48 hours. Almost all of the time the foot temps were 1 or 2 degrees C, barely over freezing. Then approximately 12 hours apart, the temps would spike to 25-30C, and drop back to just above freezing. They were unable to correlate the spikes to anything (thought the time interval looked almost consistent). The horse can stand with its hooves just over freezing most of the time, for months at a time. Amazing! I was curious to find if super elevated temperatures of horses caused lamina damage. He said no. Gene Ovinicek's presentation on treating laminitis was also impressive. The essence of it is to get the horse's weight on the back of its foot and to elevate the angle a little. I sat through the conference with my farrier. He said 10 years ago he lost 75% of his founder cases, and now he saves 75%. I believe there is an article in a current or recent Horse Illustrated about Dr Pollitt and his discoveries.
Camptown Harness
This message is from: Dave McWethy [EMAIL PROTECTED] We've made some changes on the Camptown Harness website, including adding a page about halters. We are making halters which have a buckle on the top of the horse's nose, so if the horse is in crossties, and you want to drop the halter around its neck, the halter doesn't have to come off first. We are making these halters in nylon and in Beta (brown or black). The annual report is: we have been pretty busy this year. Harness for Fjord horses has been a major part of the business, and we may well, at this point, have made more harnesses for Fjords than any other harnessmaker. I like that because Fjord people have consistently been some of the nicest people I deal with. Thanks for your faith in us! Dave www.horseharness.com
Re: Driving Storm!
This message is from: Ruth Bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 07:19 PM 1/7/01 -0400, you wrote: This message is from: Sue Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well Hi again everybodyI am so excited...I actually drove Storm today. [.] Boy am I impressed. I guess all he needs to allow me to handle him is for me to have some sort of control. (When I tried to lead him yesterday, I just slipped my hand through his halter...served me right that he wouldn't lead! Sue, glad you feel there's been sudden improvement. (that was a quick transition!) I'd recommend a lot of ground work first to build up your confidence, even more, before you drive out. A word of caution on slipping your hand through the halter, I know of a lady that shattered her wrist bone that way when the horse lifted off without her and she couldn't retract herself fast enough. Best wishes for you and Storm, Ruthie, NW MT
SV: trailriding
This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marion wrote: I went out riding with a girl on her big horse and, guess what, Hansje could trot faster than he could. Aren't fjords amazing trotters? Me and my mare Tina (aka Lektra SW2847) once managed to out-trot a standardbred who is an ex harnessracer (not a successful one). Tina's always way behind all the warmbloods on the train as long as the horses are walking. She catches up very quickly when it's time to trot. Seems like you had a nice weekend Marion! Here in Sweden, the weather has been awful with a lot of rain, followed by a lot of snow that now is melting to make a lot of ice since it's below zero in the nights. Not to good for trailriding! I work all the time to finish my thesis, so Cider is having his annual holiday in january. But last friday I got a letter that told me that we've been selected for two clinics with the classical dressage trainer Bent Branderup next year, one in march and one in october. That really got me motivated to work even harder to be able to start riding again soon! Wow! So even the weather's bad and the horse's resting it feels like this year will be a good one when it comes to horsey activities. Regards Anneli * Anneli Sundkvist Department of Archaeology Ancient History Uppsala University St. Eriks Torg 5 S-753 10 Uppsala Sweden Phone: +46-18-4712082