Anti-Chew

2001-01-08 Thread Dean / Mel Thomas



 Made him thinktwice 
before indicriminately grabbing something in hismouth. He 
eventually outgrew this - or got tired ofnever knowing if it would 
taste bad or not - andstopped the behaviour. This was a horse 
that wouldgrab anything he could reach, chew his manger, 
andvirtually 'ate' lead ropes!
I'm sorry to report Anti-Chew doesn't work well 
with everyone. Several years ago, our two origional fjords and one appy 
were living in a pasture with a shelter. They kept eating the wood of the 
shelter walls. We tried everything recommended from the vets, to the feed 
stores to 'old cowboys' to stop them from chewing up the walls. The day I 
brough home some Anti-Chew and started spraying the walls, with the three guys 
watching over my shoulder, and my mare then started licking the Anti-Chew from 
the wall, and then put her mouth over the bottle 'requesting to be sprayed 
directly into her mouth.'!!! I gave up on all sprays, and then hotwired 
all the walls of the shelter so they couldn't and wouldn't touch them. 

I got zapped plenty while feeding them, but that 
was the only way I could get them off of the wood.(I think the 
kidsstarted laughing everytime I got zapped. LOOK AT THATFUNNY 
HUMAN. She can't learn a thing about hot wires. We know enough to 
stay away. Funny she can't seem to!)
Soap, cyan pepper, chili peppers, soap and bitter 
apple, Anti-chew, chew stop, and $40.00 of other stuff to get them to leave the 
shelter alone. Didn't work, hot wire did.
I'll try it, Mary. Grooming and 
tacking her up are the hardest part of dealing with her. She rides 
like a dream. Same behavior you describe. She loves riding 
gloves. 


Good Luck

Mel Thomas
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Re: trailriding

2001-01-08 Thread Storme Lee
This message is from: Storme Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Seems like the best way to find and be around 'God / The Great Spirit'
to me Carol...That is one of my main reasons for ridingit seems like
such a spiritual activity on some levels.
Does it ever get too cold to ride?

Storme



carol wrote:
 
 This message is from: carol [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 I often say that my God does not live in a church, but in the wilderness,
 and
 only my horse can take me to see Him ...
 
 For thirty years now I have been meeting my God while trail riding in the
 woods.  A day on my horse in the woods brings me closer to my maker than
 going to church on Sunday.  Good rationale too ... since we spend most EVERY
 weekend all summer at one horse camp or another.  The only time I visit my
 regular church is when it is too cold to ride ...
 
 Carol Tacey
 Rhode Island




only in America

2001-01-08 Thread carol j makosky
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Hi List,
Here's a good one:

ONLY IN AMERICA

Only in America...can a pizza get to your house faster than an
ambulance.

Only in America...are there handicap parking places in front of a
skating rink.

Only in America...do drugstores make the sick walk all the way to the
back of the store to get their prescriptions, while healthy people can
buy cigarettes at the front.

Only in America...do people order double cheese burgers, large fries and
a diet coke.

Only in America...do banks leave vault doors open and then chain the
pens to the counter.

Only in America...do we leave cars worth thousands of dollars in the
drivway and put our junk in the garage.  Hello...

Only in America...do we use answering machines to screen calls and have
call waiting so we won't miss a call from someone we didn't want to talk
to in the first place.

Only in America...do we buy hot dogs in packages of ten and buns in
packages of eight.

Only in America...do they have drive-up ATM machines with Braille
lettering.

Only in America...do we use the work 'politics' to describe the process
so well: 'Poli' in Latin meaning 'many' and 'tics' meaning 'bloodsucking
creatures'.

--
Built FJORD tough
Carol M.
On Golden Pond
Northern Wisconsin







RE: Visiting Fjords

2001-01-08 Thread Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack
This message is from: Frederick J. \(Fred\) Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Storme and Sally,

You are most gracious to write this about our funny farm.

We certainly enjoyed showing you around and introducing you (both) to our
flock of critters.  You are most welcome here anytime.especially now
that you've found out where Pack's Peak is. VBG
Hucklebuck sends his best wishes also

Thanks for the plug for our spread.

To all: These gals are eager to learn and have fallen for Fjords.  Invite
them in and teach them.  They absorb information like sponges.

Fred and Lois Pack
Pack's Peak Stables
Pack's Llama Way
Wilkeson, WA USA

(you wrote):
Subject: Re: Visiting Fjords
This message is from: Storme Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hello all~~

I had the pleasure of visiting Fred Pack and his wonderful home of
Fjords, Llamas, dog deer and a various assortment of other beings.  I
had a wonderful time, thank you Fred.  I have now seen other Fjords
besides my Jordan, and I just love them.  If any of you are thinking of
buying a Fjord, Freds yearlings are amazing!  They love to be touched
and handled, are well mannered and just adorable.

I will be going to the Montesano/Aberdeen area this coming
Saturday-01/13/01--if any of you in that area will be in town I would
love to stop by and see your Fjords as well.

Thank you again Fred~~

Storme Lee





Fence gates as Exercise Bars ...

2001-01-08 Thread Cheryl Beillard
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Hello listers .. just thought, in all the discussions of horses/halters and
other antics, that I should tell you that I have a mare here who does daily
stretching exercises at the paddock gate, gentle stretches with one hoof
delicately balanced on the second bar .. sort of what I recall as the way
one warms up at the bar, in ballet .. Bragda must have learned this at Old
Hickory Farm  -- I understand they do warm ups before classes.  Several
others do leaps in the air .. I'm wondering where I can get her a tutu and
slippers  -- does anyone know if they make Mustad No-Snow pads for ballet
shoes?





Secret Santa revealed

2001-01-08 Thread Laurie Pittman
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I got my gift from my Secret Santa, aka Lisa Pedersen, today. It's a nice
big Fjord crossing sign. Thanks Lisa! I know just where I'm going to put it.

Laurie





Re: Natural horsemanship trainers

2001-01-08 Thread Northhorse
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In a message dated 1/8/01 9:21:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

 . I never had to use a stud chain even once. In fact, you can even
 lead my stallion with a string if you like. Not only that, so once
 you learn these methods you maybe have paid for (far less than a
 hospital bill would have been if a horse knocked you down rushing
 out of a stall) you have that knowledge for the rest of your life.

g I understand what you're saying about Natural Horsemanship. It IS
a good tool. But don't knock stud chains. They have their proper place
too! Used properly, instead of as a weapon they can be an essential
training tool. My horses know clicker training, and I use mostly
pretty gentle methods of dealing with them. But when Skylark
disregarded ALL the methods when I started bathing her, she needed a
different tool. This horse was trying to push through me, over me or
around me to get away from the water. And I was only starting at her
feet! It had been years since I used a studchain, but I dug deep for
it. Found it, put it on her and started bathing her again. She learned
it didn't pay to push me around. In one quick, easy lesson. THEN I was
able to go BACK to clicking her as a reward for standing nicely as I
moved the hose farther up her legs to her body. She still doesn't
love getting bathed, but she's safe.

So I'm happy for you that you've never had to use a stud chain, but
remember, they are not a source of all evil! LOL. And remember also, I
learned how to properly use the stud chain by Monty Roberts,
way back in 1975 when he was my boss, long before Natural Horsemanship
became popular.

There are good things about all the different styles of training. Some
work for some, other styles work better with other people. I like
Classical riding and training best. I dislike Gawani Pony Boy most!

I'm rambling again, but I just meant to say that I agree with 98% of
your post Misha, but had to put in my 2 cents for the proper use of a
stud chain.

Pamela






Fw: Driving Storm!

2001-01-08 Thread Denise Delgado
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- Original Message -
From: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: Driving Storm!


 dear sue,
 i am new to the game of horses too.  i have a few years under my belt, but
 nothing like some of the people on the list.  i do work my horses daily,
 absorb the list suggestions and read, read, read, and read some more.
 please get some professional help before you get hurt.  i don't mean to be
 pushy, but some of the things you described doing, IMHO, ARE DANGEROUS!!
 never slip your hand through a halter,  never stand behind a horse's
rump,
 unless you keep your hand on  them and walk by as close to them as
possible
 to minimize the force of a kick should they decide to do so.  any horse
will
 kick and it only takes one in the head.  always stand off to the side,
 whether you are grooming or whatever.  as for ground driving so close
behind
 that you can tap his rump, OMG!  i repeat, one swift kick would be all it
 would take!   the tarp thing is good, but never with a young horse in an
 enclosed stall.  better a round pen.  start with the tarp folded up to a
 small square.  let him sniff it,  gently rub the square all over him.  if
he
 even starts to spook, withdraw  and start over slowly.  keep doing this
till
 he is comfortable and GRADUALLY work up to larger and larger squares.
 eventually, sometimes after many sessions, you will be able to have to
whole
 thing opened and waving it in the breeze without a response.  but that is
 awhile and he is still so young.  i suggest, as mentioned before, a
 professional trainer first, then the roundpen tapes by john lyons.  so far
i
 think you have some pretty horse saavy guardian angels.  i just don't want
 to see you get hurt.  denise in overcast and rainy (i hope)  northern
calif.

 - Original Message -
 From: Sue Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ...I actually drove Storm
  today. .lead him yesterday, I just slipped my hand throught his
  halter...
  Yes he is broken to lead. He just decided not to yesterday. He figured
  if I was dumb enough to try leading him without a lead line then he
  would just do as he pleased, thank you very much. .Today, I was
right
 fair behind his rump, even tapping him with
  my hand to get him started at first when he nor I knew what we were
  doing. He has never, ever kicked at us

  The other night I took a rattly tarp into his box stall. Hubby said he
  was not taking me to the hospital...((:.I took that tarp and pulled it
  over mine and Storms heads and played peekaboo with him. ...I don't
know
 what will happen tomorrow...  Sue in N.B. (Desert Storm's mom)






Re: NM horses

2001-01-08 Thread Northhorse
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In a message dated 1/8/01 11:49:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 But the problem horse 
 isn't in NM.  I have two of Ginny's horses and I think they're very pretty 
 girls.  I'm moving my girls to AZ this year.  They have barns with misters 
 

Yes.  Mike told me of my error.  Ginny does breed some beautiful horses, 
doesn't she!  If you can believe it, we even use misters in our barns here in 
Oregon in August, early September!  I remember the swamp cooler from my year 
in New Mexico.  Very nice way to air condition a house, but sure wouldn't 
work in Oregon!

Pamela






Natural horsemanship trainers

2001-01-08 Thread sfjords
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I can't really understand why so many people are against Natural
Horsemanship trainers but it seems to be that they feel it is because these
men and women have made money off of imparting knowledge to people that
really need it.

Universities make money off of people for imparting knowledge and I don't
see anyone flaming them. And  am certainly glad my veterinarian went to one
of these Universities to get the knowledge he has to care for my animals.
Perhaps he didn't like to have paid that much money for his knowledge but I
am sure glad he has it!

In the case of Desert Storm, here is a woman who loves her horse, and is
thinking about getting rid of him do to a problem that a nautral
horsemanship method could cure in less than 20 minutes. It would be SO EASY
to teach him to keep from pulling on the line and charging out of the stall
and it all could be done without hurt or injury or even any fuss for the
horse and horse owner. 

Horses are huge animals and it is very easy for one who is not cooperatiing
to maim or kill the handler, or even itself by not paying attention to what
is going on.

When I get email from a buyer who has one of my  yearlings, a very
energetic Fjord too, who says that she can lean against him (she has a bad
leg) to go from stall to pasture and he adjusts his steps for her so she
doesn't have to tug on him--I think to myself--and it was a very simple and
painless task to bring a horse to this level, and fun too, it bothers me to
see people give up on their horses so easily. 

Over the years of being a Fjord breeder I have had many horses come to my
farm that were disrespectful, that leaned on the halter and essentially
dragged the owner all over the place. It took only one or two sessions with
the horse to say, hey, that's not acceptable. I never had to use a stud
chain even once. In fact, you can even lead my stallion with a string if
you like. Not only that, so once you learn these methods you maybe have
paid for (far less than a hospital bill would have been if a horse knocked
you down rushing out of a stall) you have that knowledge for the rest of
your life.

Shame on people for cutting down astute horsemen and horsewomen for making
money off of their business, and at the same time doing a great service to
horses and riders all across the world. Especially those people who have
never taken a weeks course from either Lyons, Parelli, Roberts of my
personal favorite, the amazing and lesser known Barbara Apple. (she is not
rich--duh hey). The bottom line for the Natural Horsemanship methods is
that they work, they work fast, and well, and they are fun and creative
methods for BOTH horse and rider.

If you are having a problem with your horse, don't just dump the horse if
you care for it and love it, get some help!

Misha
Shota Fjords






Re: Visiting Fjords

2001-01-08 Thread Storme Lee
This message is from: Storme Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Hello all~~

I had the pleasure of visiting Fred Pack and his wonderful home of
Fjords, Llamas, dog deer and a various assortment of other beings.  I
had a wonderful time, thank you Fred.  I have now seen other Fjords
besides my Jordan, and I just love them.  If any of you are thinking of
buying a Fjord, Freds yearlings are amazing!  They love to be touched
and handled, are well mannered and just adorable.

I will be going to the Montesano/Aberdeen area this coming
Saturday-01/13/01--if any of you in that area will be in town I would
love to stop by and see your Fjords as well.

Thank you again Fred~~

Storme Lee




Re: driving Desert Storm

2001-01-08 Thread GailDorine
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I hate to rain on somebody's parade, but I feel obligated to say that I think 
a total beginner driving a horse with that little training and experience is 
a bad accident waiting to happen.  I wouldn't do it.  I suggest Beaver Dam's 
tape on driving.  You want to walk a lot of miles behind that horse before 
you hitch him up.

Gail D. Vinson
Las Cruces, NM




Re: cabin fever

2001-01-08 Thread GailDorine
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In a message dated 1/8/01 9:38:49 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 U.  Jean ?  They have cancelled your day pass, dear, and the Nurses 
are 
 out looking for you.  Oh yea, they increased your AM dose again, and you 
need 
 to check in those sizzors, K ?
 
Lisa Pedersen  --psych. Nurse 
  
She can't help it.  Have you ever read the Robert Service poem about cabin 
fever up there?  And it's only January.  But she is writing a cook book, 150 
ways to cook elk.

Gail D. Vinson
Las Cruces, NM




Re: NM horses

2001-01-08 Thread GailDorine
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In a message dated 1/8/01 9:38:49 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 'd recommend contacting Ginny Cowles 
 and asking her the phone number of her trainer, Jackie.   
Sue Sorger is a friend of Jackie's and works with her.  But the problem horse 
isn't in NM.  I have two of Ginny's horses and I think they're very pretty 
girls.  I'm moving my girls to AZ this year.  They have barns with misters 
(no not Mr.'s) and swamp coolers there.

Gail D. Vinson
Las Cruces, NM




Re: horse feeder

2001-01-08 Thread GailDorine
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In a message dated 1/8/01 9:38:49 AM Mountain Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  and today she 
 knocked over their new hay feeder,  (the kind thats about 4 feet tall, put 
 the hay in the top and has a catcher below)  We will probably have to ANCHOR 
 it!!
  
Michelle, I bought one of these, a big one, and had to get rid of it because 
the girls knocked it over and took it for a walk every night and I thought it 
was dangerous.  Also I am told horses are better off eating low and naturally 
because of dangers from dust in hay.

Gail D. Vinson
Las Cruces, NM




Re: only things I have killed ?

2001-01-08 Thread Jean Gayle
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Now Lisa friend I surely fear 
Your are off base, I tell you dear.
I a killer? nope, and take no dope
love fellow man and surely hope
you calm down soon as I can see
this raging is not good for thee!   :   Jean



Jean Gayle
Aberdeen, WA
[Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter
Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ]
http://www.techline.com/~jgayle
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Re: Internet training

2001-01-08 Thread GAIL RUSSELL
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You might be surprised what your vet has learned from reading articles only.
Vet school (or medical school, for that matter) does not necessarily provide
hands on training for all procedures.  My former father-in-law was an
orthopedic surgeon.  He pioneered hip replacement surgery in his areaall
via articles and simulated demos from the surgical tool company salesmen.  I
had a vet operate on my cowwith an assistant reading out of a manual as
she went...the cow survived fineafter opening up her rumen and emptying
the fermenting contents.  
Gail Russell
Forestville CA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]





Re: Natural horsemanship trainers

2001-01-08 Thread Epona1971
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In a message dated 1/8/01 9:21:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

 Shame on people for cutting down astute horsemen and horsewomen for making
 money off of their business, and at the same time doing a great service to
 horses and riders all across the world. Especially those people who have
 never taken a weeks course from either Lyons, Parelli, Roberts of my
 personal favorite, the amazing and lesser known Barbara Apple. (she is not
 rich--duh hey). The bottom line for the Natural Horsemanship methods is
 that they work, they work fast, and well, and they are fun and creative
 methods for BOTH horse and rider. 

AMEN! 

There is no method that will work 100% of the time for 100% of horses. I 
really enjoy learning from different sources: books, horse expos, etc. I take 
bits from each way, try them, and combine what works for me and my horses, 
physically and mentally. I tell you the clicker training was a BREAKTHROUGH 
for us and simple Parelli exercises, combined with the clicker, took me to 
new levels in light and responsive riding.

I have seen too many cases (saw one this weekend, in fact, made me sick!) 
where owners, often experienced horse people, use force to make their horse 
do something which it has no way of comprehending. They claim the horse is 
ornery or stubborn when in truth the horse is confused and scared. 
Natural horsemanship in its many forms helps us two-leggeds understand the 
language of our hooved friends, and communicate with them effectively. 

Brigid Wasson
San Francisco Bay Area, CA
 A HREF=http://members.nbci.com/mrgnpetsit/fjord1;Our Fjords/A 

Brigid Wasson
San Francisco Bay Area, CA
 A HREF=http://members.nbci.com/mrgnpetsit/fjord1;Our Fjords/A 




Re: Internet training

2001-01-08 Thread Denise Delgado
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listers,
all of this grousing lately about the pros and cons of internet, books,
tapes and seminars etc.  have left a bit of an oh come on you guys, quite
being so petty taste in my mouth.  i don't care how a person learns or what
source they use.  the point is, is that they keep an open mind, use any
resource they have available to them, use another technique if the first
does work, seek professional help and keep trying.  lets encourage people on
this list and be more positive.  please, denise




Internet training

2001-01-08 Thread sfjords
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You learned to train a horse off reading an article ont he internet and it
did not work.

Gee, glad my vet didn't learn how to do surgery by reading an article off
the internet.

see what I am saying?





Re: trailriding

2001-01-08 Thread carol
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I often say that my God does not live in a church, but in the wilderness,
and
only my horse can take me to see Him ...

For thirty years now I have been meeting my God while trail riding in the
woods.  A day on my horse in the woods brings me closer to my maker than
going to church on Sunday.  Good rationale too ... since we spend most EVERY
weekend all summer at one horse camp or another.  The only time I visit my
regular church is when it is too cold to ride ...

Carol Tacey
Rhode Island






training to lead

2001-01-08 Thread Karen McCarthy

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This was posted to the CD-L List, in reply to a post about how to 
handle/train a horse to lead correctly.
I think it is very timely, and the author Angela Cichetti Deppe, has some 
very good points.

It was reprinted here with her permission

Enjoy,

Karen
Great Basin Fjords
Carson City, NV


-
My two cents. I haven't trained huge numbers of horses, in fact some of my
most elucidating experience was gotten giving obedience lessons to dogs
at 'kennel camp' during summers in college - but I do have my little piece
of the elephant to contribute.

I use John Lyons methods for trailer loading (saw it in a mag article - it
isn't in his first book)- it works impeccably for me though it might take
more than one session, so don't think I'm against this kind of training.
 But John Lyons methods don't work every time, it will state that right in
his books.  A barn mate of mine is John Lyons certified, and knows John
personally.  She and I have had some hushed conversations on what 'really'
works on badly spoiled and aggressive animals who have been allowed to
learn they are stronger than humans - similar to what Marjean writes.  (For
what it's worth, she also says JL won't even do ponies!!  I had hoped she
was joking, but she seemed serious...)

Timing is everything when you are training any kind of animals.  There is
a program on public television that has a dog trainer named Uncle Matty -
if you want to see just how effective consistent timing is, watch that
program.  Ponies seem to learn more on 'dog' time than 'horse' time - their
strides are so small that you have to react very quickly to catch their
mistakes so that they associate them with the corrections you give.

Whenever you use a severe correction (I'll stay out of the fray on where
and how hard), your timing must be exquisite, whatever you do must be
brief, and you must not be taking out your temper.  If you do find yourself
in a situation where a horse is challenging and or threatening you, you
might find that those things are beyond your abilities if you are the
average upset, confused and frightened horse owner.  That is why listers
will so quickly recommend professional help - not because they are
salesmen, but because they want you to stay alive too.

I also think we should be nicer to each other on CD-L - it's a bit
hypocritical to be so namby pamby about horsemanship, then turn around and
be so blithely insensitive to people.  I'd take a blow between the eyes any
day over being humiliated in front of thousands of people.

Angela Cichetti Deppe
Sykesville, MD




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Laminitis conference

2001-01-08 Thread Dave McWethy
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I wrote this for the CD-L and had a request to put it here also.

One of the cases Gene Ovenicek used to explain the success of his methods of
founder repair showed a picture of a Fjord horse, who went from disastrous
feet to sound.  I wondered if it might be one Nancy Lehnert owned (she and
Gene live not too far apart, and he had done farrier work for her).  This
was a horse Nancy had bought in a bunch - not a problem she caused.  She was
ready to give up on the horse, but said to Gene that she would give him the
horse, and if he could fix it, she would buy him back.  The short version of
the story is that Nancy did buy the horse (a twice-bought horse), following
Gene's successful work.  If you're online, Nancy, and have more to add to
this (or corrections!), let us know.  I asked Gene after the presentation if
this was the same horse, and he said yes.

Here's the copy:

I've been putting off writing about a super good conference I went to in
early December.  It was organized by Rochester (NH) Vet Clinic and held at
the Univ of NH.  The main speaker were Dr Chris Pollitt, a prominent
researcher in laminitis from Australia, and Gene Ovenicek, a farrier from
Montana who has created the Equine Digital Support System for treating
founder.  Gene also is one of the principal proponents of four point trims.

I guess for the first time I started to understand how the lamellae work to
connect hoof ultimately with bone.  Turns out the actual connection is a
molecule called laminin 5.  With Dr Pollitt's excellent projected pictures,
we could see how the lamellae are incredible shock absorbers for the foot.

He has worked long and hard to try to understand the actual mechanics of
laminitis.  I can't by any means reconstruct the lecture for you, but I
remember two principal causes were bovine streptococcus in the caecum which
flourish in the presence of high carbohydrates, like a big load of grain.
Also causative were sugars called fructans, which occur in some plants in
early high growth in spring and early summer.  Quack grass was something
that caused laminitis because of fructans.

I'm a little hazy on what happens between the intestine and the foot, but
recall that interference with normal levels of glucose in the foot was what
set up the sequence of chemical events that cause the actual laminitis.

Before I get any deeper into what I barely understand, I'll tell of some
research he mentioned.  He said they had done testing of hoof temperature at
the outer surface of the lamina.  Try to follow these numbers which are
easier in graph form:  outside temps were -10C.  Horse body temps were 40C.
In several horses they monitored temps for 48 hours.  Almost all of the time
the foot temps were 1 or 2 degrees C, barely over freezing.  Then
approximately 12 hours apart, the temps would spike to 25-30C, and drop back
to just above freezing.  They were unable to correlate the spikes to
anything (thought the time interval looked almost consistent).  The horse
can stand with its hooves just over freezing most of the time, for months at
a time.  Amazing!

I was curious to find if super elevated temperatures of horses caused lamina
damage.  He said no.

Gene Ovinicek's presentation on treating laminitis was also impressive.  The
essence of it is to get the horse's weight on the back of its foot and to
elevate the angle a little.  I sat through the conference with my farrier.
He said 10 years ago he lost 75% of his founder cases, and now he saves 75%.

I believe there is an article in a current or recent Horse Illustrated about
Dr Pollitt and his discoveries.





Camptown Harness

2001-01-08 Thread Dave McWethy
This message is from:  Dave McWethy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

We've made some changes on the Camptown Harness website, including adding a
page about halters.  We are making halters which have a buckle on the top of
the horse's nose, so if the horse is in crossties, and you want to drop the
halter around its neck, the halter doesn't have to come off first.  We are
making these halters in nylon and in Beta (brown or black).

The annual report is:  we have been pretty busy this year.  Harness for
Fjord horses has been a major part of the business, and we may well, at this
point, have made more harnesses for Fjords than any other harnessmaker.  I
like that because Fjord people have consistently been some of the nicest
people I deal with.  Thanks for your faith in us!

Dave
www.horseharness.com








Re: Driving Storm!

2001-01-08 Thread Ruth Bushnell

This message is from: Ruth Bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED]

At 07:19 PM 1/7/01 -0400, you wrote:

This message is from: Sue Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Well Hi again everybodyI am so excited...I actually drove Storm
today.

[.]

 Boy am I impressed. I guess all he needs to allow me to
handle him is for me to have some sort of control. (When I tried to
lead him yesterday, I just slipped my hand through his
halter...served me right that he wouldn't lead!


Sue, glad you feel there's been sudden improvement. (that was a quick 
transition!) I'd recommend a lot of ground work first to build up your 
confidence, even more, before you drive out.


A word of caution on slipping your hand through the halter, I know of a 
lady that shattered her wrist bone that way when the horse lifted off 
without her and she couldn't retract herself fast enough.


Best wishes for you and Storm,

Ruthie, NW MT






SV: trailriding

2001-01-08 Thread Anneli Sundkvist
This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Marion wrote:

I went out riding with a girl on her big horse and, guess what, Hansje could 
trot faster than he could.

Aren't fjords amazing trotters? Me and my mare Tina (aka Lektra SW2847) once 
managed to out-trot a standardbred who is an ex harnessracer (not a 
successful one). Tina's always way behind all the warmbloods on the train as 
long as the horses are walking. She catches up very quickly when it's time to 
trot. 

Seems like you had a nice weekend Marion! Here in Sweden, the weather has been 
awful with a lot of rain, followed by a lot of snow that now is melting to make 
a lot of ice since it's below zero in the nights. Not to good for trailriding! 
I work all the time to finish my thesis, so Cider is having his annual holiday 
in january. But last friday I got a letter that told me that we've been 
selected for two clinics with the classical dressage trainer Bent Branderup 
next year, one in march and one in october. That really got me motivated to 
work even harder to be able to start riding again soon! Wow!

So even the weather's bad and the horse's resting it feels like this year will 
be a good one when it comes to horsey activities.

Regards

Anneli

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Anneli Sundkvist
Department of Archaeology  Ancient History
Uppsala University
St. Eriks Torg 5
S-753 10 Uppsala
Sweden
Phone: +46-18-4712082