Monty / Frozen semen
This message is from: "fjords" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Monty R & John L methods to me are very gentle and effective training methods. Monty Roberts work has taught me alot about how horses read and speak with body language. I am thankful for this insight. John Lyons is a great teacher and his steps to round pen resoning have given me the greatest gift, Join up. Anyone that has experienced it must be in awe. The round pen reasoning methods out lined in his book have worked on about 95% of the fjords I have used it on. It is a great way to begin. When concidering an offer on Cosmo I had concidered freezing some of his semen, Upon investigating, I was informed by a great vet that it was only about 25% effective. I beleave some people on the list here, experienced about 1 in 20 take from froozen semen. So the question is not weather or not it works but is it worth it. I beleave good cooled semen runs around 60% effective. That is a big difference. So I quess if I can ever part with my boy I won't bother freezing any semen. It is just to expencive to A.I with froozen semen even if the semen is in the cold bank. I certainly had wished I had saved some of Cruizer's semen before he passed away, Alas the price of a successful A.I wouild be questionable. Has anyone had success with froozen semen ??? Lauren Sellars
foundering
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> howdee! just a note about foundering. apparently this year my vet has seen an increase in spring foundering. more than usual. a friend of mine's horse developed a slight case this last week. (not a fjord) the weather conditions here in the northern calif. foothills have caused an extremely rich flush of green grass, high in protein. this horse was used to being out on field/pasture grass, but developed it anyway. so now he is in a grassless dirt paddock and getting oat hay for two weeks after the usual meds and rest. any of you having similar problems this year? denise
Re: steel wheels for an easy entry cart
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sue, I'll see if I an drive 'bye Paul's place on my way in to work, or give him a call...he is really swamped allmost all of the time, and it is really hard to get anything done by him. I know: I had to pick up my last cart made by him*, THE MORNING I LEFT for the Turlock show! His wheeels are really nice, and he is set up to make them - maybe he should just sell wheels only! Karen McCarthy Great Basin Fjords Carson City, NV *cart has migrated to Utah, now owned by Lisa P.! _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: intro and stuff
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Welcome Mary Dixon! I'm also a clicker trainer and look forward to hearing of your adventures with Ibsen. Congrats on your purchase and welcome to the Fjord world! Brigid Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA http://members.nbci.com/mrgnpetsit/fjord1";>Our Fjords
Re: intro and stuff
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Mary! Glad to see you are on this list, you will be able to learn loads of Fjord info here. The people here are very nice. There are also some who do clicker training themselves, so maybe you can share stories! Interestingly enough, Mid's Ibsen, or Ibsie as we call him, fell instantly in love with Mary when he saw her. He followed her around like a puppy, it was so cute. We cannot wait to hear the stories of Mary and Ibsie. Congratulations Mary on your new boy! Lynda Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI 231.689.9902 http://hometown.aol.com/heithingi/BaileysNorwegianFjords.html
intro and stuff
This message is from: Mary & Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all I am afraid it is all my fault that my fellow artist friend did the fjord painting! I put her up to it after telling her how fantastic all the fjordie people have been to me in my search for the right horse! She is gathering money to pay for her father's newfoundland's ear polyp surgery and has kind of been through life's wringer a little herself. About a year and a half ago she was dragged a few hundred feet when her harness went kaputz on her while on Drummond Island (where she is from) in MI. Her morgan mare was frightened out of her mind and just wanted to get away from that broken, twisted, part human/part busted harness mess that was skidding and screaming on the gravel road behind her. You'd never guess what she went through to look at her now. She looks great! Upon having my first 'real' horse accident (a no-broken bones black eye spill in 1996) I told her I would probably never ride again. Undaunted, she scoured mid-MI without my knowing and invariably found me my first horse.a 20 year old morgan who built my confidence back to almost where it once was. In the meantime, she also taught me clicker training for my dogs and my horse (a lot more humane than what I was used to using...choke now, ask questions later). I experienced a renaissance of animal training interest, enough to let my old man horse go to yet another timid adult returning rider who deserved a chance at building her confidence. I began my search for a norwegian fjord when another friend of mine, who I met on http://www.horsepage.com (the MI Horse Page) almost three years ago, who is actually from Sweden, suggested that I look into this breed about a year ago. This, after getting to know me, she said this is my 'true' breed...the kind of horse I myself am most like. How surreal! So we trotted all over Michigan looking at various horses, learning about fjords here and there and mostly on the internet, getting hooked up with one filly that was for sale in early September only to find out, months later, in December, when it was time to deliver her, that the seller couldn't part with her...it was her first born. I am not saying names here! It was time to look back at my old emails from last summer and I looked again at Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Farm in White Cloud, MI, which is very close to our summer cottage on Lake MI in Pentwater. They had some geldings for sale that were just the right age and size (I really wanted one that would be around 14.2, which is what I was used to). With the horse resources I have, not to mention years of dog training experience with a very difficult breed (the australian cattle dog) I knew that I could train my own horse using my friend's training advice, Cherry Hill's methods and clicker training, which is how my friend Nancy does it. Her horse fetches toys when you throw them for himthat's pretty cool. I was almost fetching a plastic dog dumbell with my old morgan. He knew all sorts of useful things and cute tricks just from my clicker training him. And look how old he was! I have bought Mid's Ibsen from them and he is coming here (well, to the farmer's down the road...where I'll see him at least twice a day) this month, just in time for his three year old summer o' learnin'! So anyway, that's the basics of my story. Hope to write more about our adventures here with the dogs, the art and the new addition. Mary Dixon http://www.marydixondogart.com also: 2nd Chance Cattledogs- The Australian Cattle Dog Rescue of MI Since 1990
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2001 #108
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone have any fjords for sale in the New England area. We are looking for a trained and calm fjord. Thanks a lot, Cait [EMAIL PROTECTED]
steel wheels for an easy entry cart
This message is from: SueFreivald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Help! I am looking for big steel wheels for an easy entry cart, the ones like Julie Will has on her EE's. Hers were from Milton Carriage works. Their web site is still up, but there are no answers to e-mail. Dave McWethy (who is building me a beautiful custom harness for my Venn) tells me he believes they are out of business. Does anyone out there know of a source for this kind of wheel. I've located wooden ones in Pennsylvania, but with a steel cart, wooden wheels would look a little silly. I'd like to have the ones with a rubber tread that would bring my cart up so the shafts would be parallel to the ground when Venn is hitched and not tilted upwards. I'm also paranoid about potential flat tires on the pneumatic wheels, and concerned that a tight turn might just peel the tire right off the wheel. Ergo, my search for the big steel wheels. I certainly appreciate any direction you might have for me. Thanks. Sue in WNY where the water is just beginning to show around the edge of the ice on Canadice Lake and the birds are singing in Spring.
Re: Frozen semen, ad, etc.
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Peg I just assumed that shots regulating ovulation came with the process of frozen semen. Sure worked for us. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: Frozen semen, ad, etc.
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Peg, You should try breeding a mare with the frozen/thawed semen yourself to make sure it will indeed work. I remember someone back East offered frozen semen, thinking that would save them a lot of hassle in breeding season. Tried to sell it to me..My vet had doubts. The horse's semen checked out good , froze and thawed with great motility, etc,. however they were never able to get a mare pregnant with the frozen semen, so they gave it up, just doing the cooled semen. So if you could get a mare of your own in foal with the frozen stuff that would be proof that it would work! Jean in sunny and warm Fairbanks, Alaska, 45+ degrees and I am preparing to go out and scrape tons of hair off my guys. Spring is here at last (I hope!) >We have some DNA news ourselves to share. We've had Erlend's semen evaluated >for freezing and thawing and he got a very good result! This means we can >now ship frozen semen anywhere in the world, as long as the recipient has >vet facilities available to handle it. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Frozen semen, ad, etc.
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all - Very interesting info about the mitrochondrial DNA, thanks, Dave and Kathy. We have some DNA news ourselves to share. We've had Erlend's semen evaluated for freezing and thawing and he got a very good result! This means we can now ship frozen semen anywhere in the world, as long as the recipient has vet facilities available to handle it. Of course many other breeds have been doing this for a while, but it's pretty new to the Fjord world, and we are Very Excited! We expect to be sending shipments to several mares this season. The success rates depend on being able to pinpoint the time of ovulation almost exactly, so pretty intensive and experienced mare management is important. It is a good alternative for folks without a stallion available, or who would like to breed to a certain stallion who lives too far away for cooled semen to last. We would be happy to provide specific breeding soundness information to anyone who is interested. Other information about Erlend is on our web site, listed below. Lynda - tell us more about your book! It sounds fascinating, and I'm sure I would like to order one. Mary - your cat types just like my cat. Got Sadie's foaling stall ready, but not much sign of getting ready for delivering. She's due in 10 days, so she'd better get with it. Bye for now - Peg Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
Re: OPPOSUMS
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When I lived in the S.F. East Bay (Lafayette/Orinda area), late one summer evening I was sitting in our kitchen sipping wine and having a good old talk with my dad. The kitchen was a long "keyhole" type, and the table was in the nook at the end. I had all the house doors wide open to take advantage of the lovely warm night. ...So, here I am talking to dad, and in wanders in a oppusum, coming straight towards me! I had never seen one before, and this guy was low to the ground and traveled in a rolling amble, bumping into the cupboards and walls. I freaked! I think I gave my poor dad permanent ear damage. He thought I was being attacked by robbers or worse, 'til i calmed down enough to tell him i had to hang up and get rid of the opossum, which i did by delicately opening the pantry door while teetering on top of a chair above the opossum, grabbing a broom, and gently nudging him in the right direction and out the back door. My dad still reminds me to "look both ways" if we're talking into the night Karen _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: photo credits
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean, I truly realise there was no "evil plot" against me, and I really blame the publication more so than the photographer, (she actually tried to get them to run a credit/correction after the omission was discovered, to no avail. Seems to me that magazines like H.I. focus on pretty, glossy, almost romanticised images, and are not too overly concerned with content, just mass quantities of "eye appeal". The photographer, Sally Barnett, does do very high quality work, and she had me sign several release forms, etc. I knew I had the right info on file w/ her, as she sent me prints before they were ever published, and after the hoopla arose she went to bat for me! BTW Jean, what else haven't you done in your life??! ;-D Karen - where were back in the fridge here in N.Nevada! Original Message Follows This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karen having been a pro photographer at one point along the line let me at least stand up a bit for the photographers, no excuses however. We were very artistic but not very organized and there were times after a heavy shoot we were not sure we had the right credits and hence left them out rather than risk the usual complaints when credits were in the wrong place. It was not a plot! Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
photo credits
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karen having been a pro photographer at one point along the line let me at least stand up a bit for the photographers, no excuses however. We were very artistic but not very organized and there were times after a heavy shoot we were not sure we had the right credits and hence left them out rather than risk the usual complaints when credits were in the wrong place. It was not a plot! Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: OPPOSUMS
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Mary, since we are almost neighbors you have solved a mystery for me. I have wondered where the coons and possums went. They used to prey on us here until my pair of Corgis learned to hunt together. They decimated the possums and the coons being much brighter lit out too. Also wondered why the coyotes left and they must be all having a picnic around your place. Keep it up Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: equine genetic studies
This message is from: Kathy Spiegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> truman matz wrote: > This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Dave writes, > The analysis of mitochondrial DNA sequences showed that > >Fjord horses originated from a diverse stock of maternal lineages and at > >that level they can not be readily differentiated from other horses. > > Thanks, Dave, that was very informative. But what exactly does the above > statement mean? What are "maternal lineages", and what do they mean by > "they can not be readily differentiated from other horses"? > Thanks, Judy Maybe I can help make some sense of this. When doing genetic analyses to determine past relationships and evolutionary history there are two sources of DNA. Most people are familiar with the DNA in chromosomes, which determine most of our characteristics. Because each generation is a 50/50 combination of DNA in those chromosomes ( half from the mother and half from the father) and that contribution is by chance -and a certain amount of rrearrangement can occur - and there are an incredible number of genes- it is difficult to trace an entire genetic history or compare the entire genome (genetic material) from one individual to another. ( we have just now mapped the human genome and it took many years). There is however, a second source of DNA in each mammalian cell. It is a small piece in the mitochondrion and it never participates in the same matching and pairing that the chromosomal DNA does. This mitrochondrial DNA is passed directly from the maternal egg unchanged to each offspring. Since the egg is from the mother, the DNA in the mitochondrion is always from the mother-never from the father. When that subsequent female offspring makes eggs, the same DNA is passed to her offspring. Since the sperm does not contain any mitochondrial DNA, the fathers mitrochondrial DNA never shows up in his offspring. So in each of your cells you have a piece of mitochondrial DNA from your mother-mothers mother=, mothers mothers mother ad infinitum. That is a maternal lineage for these studies and theoretically, the DNA in the mitochrondrion is identical all the way back in this lineage. Therefore it can be used to compare the maternal relationships between individuals. The degree of similarity indicates kinship - but only in this maternal lineage. Now comes the fun part. Theoretically the DNA should be the same from generation to generation. We know however that the mitochondrial DNA mutates at a relatively constant rate. By measuring how many differences there are between the mitochondiral DNA of two individuals of the same species, we can calculate how many years back two lineages may have separated from a common female ancestor. To make a long story short, what the statement from the genetic analysis of the horses means is that the mitochondrial DNA in the Fjord is similar enough to the mitochondrial DNA in other modern horses that any separation occurred relatively recently ( remember biological recent may not correspond to human historical recent). Furthermore, the results suggest that there was not a single common female ancestor of the twelve Fjords tested that is unique when compared to the other horses tested. This fits with what has been reported about the fjords as I understand it. When the breed was "restored" in in the 1800s, although one stallion may have been used, different mares were used and those mares were indistinguishable (on a mitochondrial basis) from to other modern breeds of horses. The mitochondrial DNA analysis does not address the contribution of the stallion to the chromosomal DNA and it is the chromosomal DNA which determines all the other traits. In fact much of that DNA in the modern Fjord may be unique to that stallion or line. When we have easier techniques the similarities between Chromosomal DNAs will tell the rest of the story. In human genetics, it has been calculated that all living humans originated from one female lineage and they can calculate the date she lived - I can't remember it off the top of my head, but no conclusion can be made about a single male progenitor.-(yet). Hope this didn't confuse. Kathy
Re: OPPOSUMS
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Opposums will not hurt your horses by cruising by, > its the protozoa (sp?) > in their droppings that can contain the bacteria > that is linked to cause EPM. > The best way to keep Opposums from moving in at your > place, is to NOT feed > dogs or cats outside in dishs and keep all your > trash cans well covered. They > are scavingers and will look for the easy pickings. Lisa, Well, we must have 'extra smart' opposums around here. They have learned to use the 'kitty entrance' into our enclosed feeding/hot tub equipment shed to gain access to the catfood! Next thing I expect to see is a 'possum among the cats waiting to be fed! They are NOT welcome at my house. No, I don't molest, abuse, or kill them - but I DO live trap/relocate them to remote areas. Where we are they don't seem to understand the concept of staying away from people. Maybe it's because too many weird people around here think it's great fun to leave large pans of dogfood out on their decks/patios to entice and feed the racoons. Of course the opposums also take advantage of this and have come to expect a meal no matter where they are, I guess. We also live in a 'no shooting' area, so they are never hunted around here. I understand that there needs to be 'no shooting' areas, BUT it does make for 'very cheeky' wildlife - they KNOW they're safe, and boy do they take advantage sometimes! We have plenty of opposums around our place, but they don't seem to be doing much about the rat population, which is booming nowdays since the coyotes moved in and wiped out most of my barn cats. Guess cats are tastier, or easier to catch, than rats - who knows? Have about given up on keeping any kind of 'barn cat' population as the coyotes just eat them up every spring! I'm not into raising cats to feed the coyotes, thank you very much! Maybe I could teach the coyotes to just come around once a day and eat cat FOOD, thus cutting out the 'middle man'? I know, I know, decidedly NOT FUNNY, but still...I suppose one could try(smile you guys). Besides which, I love my cats. We keep our trash cans covered. Keep our grain in a shed inside covered cans. Don't leave pet food outside at night. Have a covered compost bin. Etc., etc, etc. And we still have opposums in our barn I fear. Plus they cut through the barn - over the floors that the horse throws her hay onto - to get to the house. We DO have bird feeders in our backyard, which the squirrels love to raid - never mind they have their own feeders out in the woods! It's impossible to keep all the spilled seeds cleaned up. I use 'seed cakes' but there is still some few seeds on the ground. Guess we are doomed to have opposums at our house. Wonder if mixing cayene with the seed would make it unpalatable to the opposums? It seems to work for squirrels and the birds don't mind it. Guess they can't taste it. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: equine genetic studies
This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dave writes, The analysis of mitochondrial DNA sequences showed that >Fjord horses originated from a diverse stock of maternal lineages and at >that level they can not be readily differentiated from other horses. Thanks, Dave, that was very informative. But what exactly does the above statement mean? What are "maternal lineages", and what do they mean by "they can not be readily differentiated from other horses"? Thanks, Judy
equine genetic studies
This message is from: " Dave McWethy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A month or so ago someone sent me info on the major international genetic study of horse breeds. It was to determine patterns of DNA which indicated origins of different breeds. One of the researchers mentioned was Carles Vila at Uppssala University in Sweden. I wrote him to ask if Fjord horses were included, and he replied that there were 16 Fjord horses. I wrote him back to ask if they saw any special patterns, such as any relation to patterns of the Przewalski's horses that Fjords so much resemble in appearance. Here is the reply I just received: Our results only suggest a similarity between Fjord and other breeds of horses in northern Europe. No special similarity was found between Fjord and Przewalski's horses. The analysis of mitochondrial DNA sequences showed that Fjord horses originated from a diverse stock of maternal lineages and at that level they can not be readily differentiated from other horses.
