Re: dieting questions
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Bonnie Liermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have two chubby horses and I worry about how to limit their food. > [...] nice pasture, [...] only out there 2-3 hours a day because > of their weight. [...] how do you safely limit them? I always > worry about colic when they go for long stretches of time with > nothing to eat. [...] they get a slice of hay at 8:00 am [...] > early afternoon when they have their 2 hours of pasture. [...] in > later afternoon for their vitamins and min. mixed with very little > grain. Then later about 7:00 pm they get one slice of hay. [...] > Also, if they weren't on pasture at all, how much hay (in pounds) > are you feeding your fjords to maintain weight? I have a 75%grass, > 25% alfalfa mix hay. I use a somewhat similar routine for my Fjords. They get morning vitamins and hay, 2 hours of pasture in the late afternoon, then evening hay. When we lived in coastal California, their winter pasture was limited (I wouldn't let them out onto the steep, slippery pastures when the ground was soggy---too hard on pasture sod, not to mention lost shoes). When they were locked in, inactive, and totally hay-fed, the 950 and 1100 lb geldings got 12 to 15 lb of hay, each, per day (fed together, so I can't say who ate exactly how much). That was grass hay---"pasture" hay when I could get it; timothy otherwise. They maintained about the right condition on this routine. Here in SW Oregon, they've been gaining weight on a similar routine. Now, they have been getting more regular pasture, because we've had a mild winter, and the sod here is tougher. And, the pasture and hay here have some clover in them, so it's "richer" feed. In the month of May, I used 500 lb of hay to feed 2 14.2-hh Fjord geldings plus an 11.2hh donkey (total weight of all 3 is about 2500 lb), plus 2 hours per day on a small pasture. No one is losing weight, although at least I've managed to stop them from gaining! I have not had any problems with equine ulcers or colics on this routine. I think that's more of an issue with "excitable" breeds, than with "What, me worry?" equines like Fjords and donkeys. ;-) I'd suggest that you cut out the grain if you can (mine get a cup or so of local grass hay pellets with their vitamins), and try to find hay without any legumes (alfalfa, clover, etc) in it. Also, get a scale (I've used a baby scale, or a 25-lb capacity kitchen scale, with the hay contained by a canvas firewood-carrier) and weigh their hay rations. It's easy to develop a "heavy hand" when peeling flakes off of a bale. I use electric fencing to limit their pasture areas. I force them to eat one area down to stubble, before giving them any new grass (one thin slice of pasture at a time, i.e. move the fence over 4 to 6'). If you let them have a whole big pasture, they'll wander around, "skimming" off the choicest areas (grass setting seed, and young tender stuff), rather than eating the strawy stems (mostly "chewing satisfaction", not so many calories). Good luck with your chubbies! It seems to be a common problem with Fjords. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
Re: dieting questions
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karen I would not use the alfalfa mix until winter. Just plain hay, less valuable re protein the better just to give them something to chew on. I would either do only one hour on grass or two half hours if your program can adjust to that. Exercise would help alot. Jean PS any indoor or out door grass free arenas available? Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Amazon.com to order
Re: Turlock show
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 5/31/01 6:25:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The Turlock Show Entries will be sent on the 1st of June. They are also available on the internet at www.thehorsegarden.com go to the left hand button that says Turlock Show Form and you can download from that page. >> HI THERE, WENT TO THIS SITE, AND THE LEFT MARGINE WAS ALL BLANK. THE BUTTON THAT HAS THE "TURLOCK SHOW FORM" NEVER CAME UP. IS IT ME, OR IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE SITE OR SERVER? JACK LONG (barn mgr.)
dieting questions
This message is from: Bonnie Liermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi. To Karen: I am in yucky Wisconsin, where it is cold and rainy. I have a question to anyone on the list; I have two chubby horses and I worry about how to limit their food. I have a nice pasture, but they are only out there 2-3 hours a day because of their weight. Now that the pasture is reaching maturity it won't be so high in protein, but how do you safely limit them? I always worry about colic when they go for long stretches of time with nothing to eat. Am I being paranoid? Right now they get a slice of hay at 8:00 am and sit until early afternoon when they have their 2 hours of pasture. If I can, I work with them in the morning. Then they come in later afternoon for their vitamins and min. mixed with very little grain. Then later about 7:00 pm they get one slice of hay. I just started this. Previously they were on sort of the same schedule but with more hay and they just got fatter. Is this still too much because I want them to lose weight. Also, if they weren't on pasture at all, how much hay (in pounds) are you feeding your fjords to maintain weight? I have a 75%grass, 25% alfalfa mix hay. Any input would be appreciated. Bonnie
halter class
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Happy Fjording to All- Tommes & I are attending "Western Riding Clinics" at the local Mounted Patrol Grounds in Woodside, CA. Lots of fun, and I'm learning that my legs are good for more than hanging on to the horse : ) Now, I'm thinking of attending a driving show in August, and would like to enter the "driving suitability halter" class. I have a very basic idea of what one does in a halter class, but would love to hear from anyone with more experience. What is usually asked for and how do you train for it? Also what clothing/tack is appropriate? Brigid M Wasson San Francisco Bay Area, CA http://ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Our Fjords
Birth announcement
This message is from: "Wild Flower Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello to everyone, I am now announcing the arrival of our first foal this season. Our mare Green Briar Lady gave birth to yet another filly (making it 5 fillies in a row) we were hoping to see what a colt would look like but we'll take this filly. We haven't decided on a name just yet. She will be for sale. So if anyone is interested please contact us! The pictures will be on the web site shortly!! Renee Lafleur Wild Flower Fjord Farm 2565 Airport Road Timmins, On P4N 7C3 1-705-268-0848 e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] web site: www.geocities.com/Fjords2000
It's a boy- part 2
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just wanted to let everyone know (who's interested) that the foal is doing great. Is getting introduced to a lot of new things and accepting everything with flying colors. We have also decided on a namethough most of my friends HATE it My mind is made up. He will carry our stallion's name (something his previous owner started, and we've decided to continue) so his reg. name will be "DRAFN'S ARKIN" (pending NFHR acceptance) Arkin is Norwegian meaning : The Eternal King's Son. Arkin will be for sale after he is weaned. I don't have a website set up to show pictures of him, but if you want to see him, write me privately and I'll gladly send you pictures or any other information you'd like to have. Aimee Day Days End Fjords, Garland Me.
Fjord Wanted in Ottawa Valley for Theraupeutid Riding Program
This message is from: "Cheryl Beillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Cdn or nearby US Listers .. this is a "heads up" for anyone who may have a 14.2 h fjord (gelding preferred), around 8 (of course) "Sensible, sound with Basic 1 Dressage" for a local therapeutic riding program .. They asked me to post their flyer at the Olaf Nyby Clinic and in all the confusion of participating and organizing, I forgot! SO .. here it is .. they mentioned they expected to pay around $5k Cdn .. so take it from there. The telephone number (they are located about 20 minutes NW of Ottawa) is (613) 821-1844 .. and ask for Paula. duty done.
Re: Kai update
This message is from: Pat Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Greetings: I talked to a man at Lisa Pederson's driving clinic. He told me that and Indian friend of his told him that a cure for colic went like this. Get a rag and slightly dappen it with gasoline. Rub the horse's back bone from the withers to the tail bone. This man swears by it as does a few other people. He suggests that it has worked on at least three of his horses. It can't hurt. pat ttfn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >It's been 5 days now since Kai got sick, he has really suffered with > scours, high fever, colic, impaction, edema of the sheath and chest, > depression, lack of appetite -- and now, hives and severe itching! The hives > were a new symptom, on day 4, and are a mystery to all. The itching is so > severe that he throws himself to the ground to rub. >Kai is slightly better in some regards, he's only mildly colicky now > and is starting to regain a little appetite, but he is still a miserable > horse. He has seen 4 different vets at 2 different clinics, and nobody can > come up with a cause for all this. The current theory is colitis of an > unknown origin, but hives don't fit in with colitis. He got a dose of > charcoal yesterday (yuk!) to help absorb any toxin that he might have in his > gut, but so far that hasn't helped him any. He grinds his teeth so hard I > worry that he'll break them. >His current prognosis, according to the surgeon he saw yesterday: he > might get better within a day, at best, or we may lose him, at worst. >Thanks to all who have written with good wishes, it's very helpful. >Jan, in central Virginia
Re: Starting a young horse
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List Hope you noted the remark from Karen about the curiosity and strength of a young Fjord. I got my first at 5 yrs old, he had only been halter broke. We worked out a few strength issues between us and he is a super 15 yr old now - Drives, pulls, rides dressage at first level. OK, now I have 3 year old that I feel is too small yet to ride, but a pistol overall, VERY curious, active, fun and doing all his "standing still" skills very well. He NEEDED a job! We started him pairs with our 5 yr old mare, who is driving very well. We went to our first show this weekend and he was super! He did crank all the way around almost 180 to watch the judge going around for the critical review in the pleasure class (she laughed). We are doing this slow (and with professional help if we need it) but the difference in his demeanor since last year is a lot. He is now capable of going new places, being in new situations and learns as fast as all Fjords do (isn't it amazing?). Last year w! e ! tried to walk him into an indoor with the others and he had a heart attack. Now he drives into a new indoor confidently. Yes, no riding till late this year, or even next year, because he has a lot more growing to do (I hope). But if you are lucky enough to have another horse to help, or work your horse in the presence of others, I feel this helps a lot. Young Fjords are strong, eager, curious, energetic ETC. ETC. I firmly think they need a JOB and whether it is ground driving, pulling something, ponying, or whatever you can devise, they need it. Off my soapbox, Hi Karen. Marsha Korose in VA BTW, altho totally outclassed by the super $$ rigs in the pleasure class, we waxed em in Cones and won that!!! Caribo, Solveig, Tobyn (3), and soon - Solvar also person - Curt
Re: Overnight around Boise ID needed
This message is from: "linda hickam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lisa...we're about 10 miles off the highway and have room...linda -- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com >Subject: Overnight around Boise ID needed >Date: Mon, Jun 4, 2001, 12:35 AM > >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Hi All ! We are looking for overnight stabling for one Fjord filly, 2, Wed. >night. We will be in the Boise ID. area, headed to WA the next morning. Any >Fjord listers near by ? We are in a LQ trailer, so can fend for ourselves, >but like to bed down the horse(s) while traveling long distances. An extra >pen, corral, stall ect. would be great. Thanks for any tips.Lisa * PS >all health, coggins, brand insp. ect. in order.
