Re: Inbreeding?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/9/2002 5:33:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > It would probably be a "cross" > regardless, as I don't believe Icelandics have white > on their heads or bodies as a general rule. Anyone? > > I just had to hop in here (as I am suer others will do as well). Icelandics DO come with markings. Both facial and leg markings as well as pinto coloring (although the leg markings seem to be most prominent in the Pintos). Most of the Icelandics I have seen are around the same height as fjords (13 to 14.2 hands) and only a bit less "stout". I certainly wouldn't call them "Slightly built". This website has a lot of good pictures showing the many colors of Icelandics: http://www.icelandic-horses.is/innihald/Frames.html Enjoy!! Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PMU fjord crosses
This message is from: "John & Eunice Bosomworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I believe there are enough breeders to keep the FJORD "pure". But in regard to your statement: <<< Is there anything that can be done to end this? Can the Canadian Fjordhorse Association encourage members not to sell their Fjords to Premarin? Katy Andersen & Jon in PA, who finds this horrifying!>>> you are assuming these fjords or fjord crosses all come from Canada. "Maybe they are purebred fjords from the US that didn't do well in evaluations." OOPS! Not likely. :-) :-) There are fjord horse breeders in both the US and Canada that are not members of either the NFHR or CFHA. Therefore, I don't believe that either ass'n can control crossbreeding and will have absolutely no say in the breed of horses on PMU farms. I'm assuming there are no PMU farms in the US. Would there be any way that you could stop them if they wanted to set-up a farm in any state? Fjordally yours, Eunice in s-w Ontario where our snow is melting.
Re: Inbreeding?
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On another note, there are few fjords in my area. I > have come across a > couple at shows that are being called fjords, but I > can't see that they are > purebreds. One competitor said that his horse was a > purebred, but he was > inbred...daddy got out with the daughters > I can only see the fjord in this horse's > face. He is a light > dun, but very small and lightly built. The only way > to tell was the wild > mane (it was au natural) and the distinct jaw/facial > features of the fjord. Hmmm. Or maybe this horse wasn't a Fjord cross at all. It seems I have seen a few Icelandics - which are small and lightly built - that COULD have been passed off as Fjord crosses because they resembled the basic body color(though lightened), mane style(unruly), and a somewhat "Fjordlike" head/jaw structure. What kind of gaits does this horse have? Just a thought. It would probably be a "cross" regardless, as I don't believe Icelandics have white on their heads or bodies as a general rule. Anyone? Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Whups...I'm sorry!
This message is from: "Bill/Liz/Katy/Charlie/Arne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello list- I was reading yesterday's list, because that's the form of the digest we get, and realized that I had posted a message. I guess when I moved it to the draft box of my Outlook Express, I actually moved it to the Outbox. Whups! So my "scathing" email, that I wrote right after I read about the PMU crosses, was a mistake. I really didn't mean to write so harshly. I absolutely overreacted, and I'm sorry. So to everyone on the list, please forgive me! Thanks, Katy Andersen and Jon in PA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Inbreeding?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I always enjoy the discussion of crossbreeding. Before I got involved with the fjords, I thought crossbreeding could only benefit a horse, giving them a good chance to combine the positive traits of each breed. After listening to the breeders on this list and reading different publications (Dressage Today has a great article about breeding and another on how to buy a foal) I have decided that not all breeds cross well. I have met a few fjord crosses and they may be real nice animals but I do not think they do the fjord breed justice. I just don't think it crosses well, the "great" traits that we love in fjords just don't pass on. On another note, there are few fjords in my area. I have come across a couple at shows that are being called fjords, but I can't see that they are purebreds. One competitor said that his horse was a purebred, but he was inbred...daddy got out with the daughters. The result was a small horse with facial markings and socks. The gentleman claimed that he bought the horse from a breeder and was told that the horse could not be registered because of the inbreeding. Now, we've discussed the crossbreeding...what about inbreeding? Is that against NFHR rules? Or was this man taken for a ride by a breeder? I can only see the fjord in this horse's face. He is a light dun, but very small and lightly built. The only way to tell was the wild mane (it was au natural) and the distinct jaw/facial features of the fjord. Kate Mom to Baldur the wonder Fjord Plus two brilliant human children
Re: Lynda Bailey's comments re Training & Selling - Also, Blunderstone boots
This message is from: Arthur and Carol Rivoire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello and Happy New Year to everyone from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - We've been away to New England on our annual Christmas vacation, and have just returned. We took our unbelievably good dog, Champ, with us, and as a result of visiting and staying with family and friends in three states, his reputation as "Champie the Wonder Dog" is even more firmly established. I've been skimming all the Digests that I missed, and was particularly impressed by Lynda Bailey's comments on "Push Button Fjords- I agree entirely . . . Forget about so-called push button Fjords. It's a ridiculous concept in my opinion. Fjords are much too intelligent to be Push Button Horses. Fjordhorses will "work with you", rather than "perform" for you. Lynda is right when she says a new owner should spend a week or so working with her horse on the ground. It's time well spent. It gives both horse and new owner a chance to learn about each other, and this is vital. How can the horse be expected to perform if he hasn't understood the cues? And on the other side, the owner needs to learn what cues to give her new horse, and how best to give them. --- Anything else is unfair to the horse, who is, afterall, less intelligent than the human. We've learned over the years (23 of them) that no matter what anyone might tell you about the horse's training, which may or may not be true, the best, smartest, and safest thing to do when you get a new horse, is to work the horse on the ground starting with leading. If the horse, indeed, was well-trained and worked well for his past owner, it was because they knew each other well, a relationship established over time. Therefore, it's not fair to expect the same behavior with a new owner . . . at least not right away. There's no such thing as a Push Button Fjord. This concept may possibly work with other breeds, but in my opinion, only if the horse has been trained to the point of being Brain Dead. Fjords don't work that way, in our experience. They're much too intelligent. They work "with" people, not "perform" for them as a machine. Lynda's advice is good! Please don't even think about riding or driving your new horse until he's settled in, and you've done considerable work with him on the ground. It's the only way to establish a working relationship. Bob van Bon of the Dutch Fjord Studbook told us a long time ago that a horse needs time to settle into a new home, and it matters little if the move has been to another farm in the same town, or across the ocean. Best Regards, Carol Rivoire BLUNDERSTONE BOOTS - I also LOVE these boots!! They are by far the best pair of boots I've ever owned. They are comfortable, but still supporting, and the sole is marvelous. I can walk on rocks and not feel a thing. I used them all last summer for barn work, riding, and gardening. Every once in a while I saddlesoaped and oiled them a bit. They look and feel great! They're expensive, but very good value. Vivian, I deleted the Digest with the Blunderstone email address. Can you send it again? While I'd willingly buy another pair at retail, a discount would be nice. Regards, Carol Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www.beaverdamfarm.com
Re: PMU Fjord Crosses
This message is from: "Bill/Liz/Katy/Charlie/Arne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I find this to be the most horrifying thing I have seen recently. What other stupid things can people think of to do? Ruin one of the last "pure" breeds left? Isn't this the exact sort of thing we are trying to fight? Look at the Thoroughbred! Look at the Arabian! This cannot happen to the Fjord! Now, I know there are some beautiful examples of horses in both of these breeds, I fell in love with a gorgeous TB a few years ago, and I'm not trying to offend anyone at all, don't get me wrong, but PMU Fjord crosses? I am sick. Is there anything that can be done to end this? Can the Canadian Fjordhorse Association encourage members not to sell their Fjords to Premarin? Katy Andersen & Jon in PA, who finds this horrifying!
Re: Introduction & trimming
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jen I have very limited experience with gelding. My Charley remained a testing teasing horse but would have been a very strong stallion. I remember a little 11 mo old stud that came to help my filly in her weaning time. He had been an orphan and was skinny and half my six mo fillys size. But he had a deep voice and "owned " the filly immediately. She just wanted to play. When I entered the field I was fair game and he would run at me. More than once I clipped him with a stick. He had a very hoarse voice. I had the Vet, with owners permission, geld him and with in days his voice changed to a softer tone and he no longer attacked me but still did not like me. I guess I think they are softer and more concentrated on other things. More likely to attach to people and not be so absorbed in "who is next?" Jean PS I use those phizer (sp) scissors but am now letting Gunnar's mane go til spring to see what he will look like. So far, a castaway unruly mess!!! Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: PMU Fjord Crosses
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Mary, I do not want to start a "neighborhood" squabble esp as you have not picked up your Herald and might hit me! :) I think this mixing of breeds is blown way out of proportion. The majority will always prefer and admire the pure breed. Others do not give a rap and just want a suitable horse, others think they can pass off half or quarter breeds for big bucks and counterfeit papers. The warmblood associations, ie Holsteiner, Trakehner, view the conformation of mixes and grade them accordingly. My purebred thoroughbred mare achieved a high rating in the Holsteiner Assoc. and her get can have a half Holsteiner brand. They want to improve conformation of the breed. Do not ask me why, yet perhaps for the same reason I sought the perfect match for her qualities. My Charley is half thoroughbred/ Trakehener and reached the highest ranks in his classes in dressage before injuring himself. That is a field that wants the best conformation that will do the work. It does not penalize for purity of breed. Neither do the hunter jumper societies nor the Fox Hound groups. It is ability there. There are more than enough members of breed clubs to keep the purity of the breed going. Breeds that have died out were not useful or needed, evidently. I will take a purebred if it suits my needs which Fjords certainly have. But I will take (would) whatever horse would suit my needs regardless of breed depending on what that need is. I only buy/rescue purebred dogs, I do rescue alleycats but have owned Siamese pures. I like to buy fancy pure hatched banties and mix them up to quickly get a new type. Have some beauties. But I know I am not "spoiling" the breeds because, one; I neuter or do not breed (except chickens), two: there are always those who want the pure. And we have a strong organization here that will always see that their Fjords remain top of the line. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
We would like expert opinions
This message is from: "Brad D Baird" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We're looking for a 'first' horse for the kids, and have been for some time. We know the general advice is to get an older, half-dead horse that couldn't hurt anybody. We tried that with a 17 year old quarterhorse, who nearly killed my very experienced wife. That's actually what encouraged us to consider Fjord horses. The ones we've seen wouldn't do that sort of thing. But as we think through the options now, we've realized that our family isn't typical, and perhaps the general advice wouldn't apply to us. Please tell us if we're completely crazy, or just like other horse folks. My wife grew up with horses, and broke her own. Our kids are very patient, and have a knack for raising gentle animals. They halter-break the heifers every year and ride the steers. The cows walk up to people to get petted. The kids would like a horse, but they would just as soon curl up with it to read a good book as to ride it. We're thinking that perhaps we need to get a young filly and let the horse and kids learn together. Then, even if the horse turned out to have a bunch of weird quirks, we would know exactly what they were from the start, instead of being surprised out on the trail. All I've seen is that training of a good horse never ends anyway, and the most important part of training is patience and an understanding of the horse and her abilities. So, just how crazy is this? Should we be encouraged, discouraged, or locked up? Thanks, everyone, for your wise counsel. Brad & Kelly Baird
Re: PMU Fjord Crosses
This message is from: Mary McCready <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bill/Liz/Katy/Charlie/Arne wrote: > > This message is from: "Bill/Liz/Katy/Charlie/Arne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I find this to be the most horrifying thing I have seen recently. What other > stupid things can people think of to do? Ruin one of the last "pure" breeds > left? Hello, I am just a novice fjord owner, but from knowledge of purebred dogs, I would have to say that using a purebred animal in an outcross cannot ruin the original breed. An example would be the development of the Auustralian cattledog breed. The dalmation was used to produce the cattledog breed, but the dalmation breed was not changed or ruined as a result. As long as registries are strict about registration of the purebred animals, the existence of cross breeds does not harm the purity of the breed. I can see there could be other kinds of problems, related to how the public perceives a particular pure breed, as a result of outcrossing. If the outcrossings are generally superior, more poplular than the purebred animal, that could be a factor in devaluing the breed in the long run. If outcrossings are equal in important ways to the purebred, and cheaper, that could affect the value of the purebred animal. People would not want to pay a premium for the purebred animal. Or if outcrossings are generally lower quality animals, and are improperly identified as the original breed, that could have an unfortunate negative effect on the perception of the breed and its promotion. However, I don't think the outcrossing can in any way ruin the actual quality of the pure breed used in the outcross, if that is what you are worried about? JMO, Mary McCready Parkhill ON Canada
film print of Song of Norway
This message is from: Steve and Mary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Since I am fortunate enough to live in a film household (Steve's been a film collector most of his life-mostly cartoons, though) and have lots of equipment, projectors and the man to work em, I am going to get that 16mm film print of Song of Norway on ebay! Then maybe, someday, when we have a trailer and can make it to Blue Earth or Turlock or Vermont, we'll bring along the movie and we can all enjoy it the way it was meant to be seen- full size and in cinemascope to boot! Theater size! Unless, of course, there are some fjordies in MI that would like to come over to our house to see it here! Mary Dixon (always looking for a way to combine Steve and his films with my hobbies! You should have seen us at Eastern MI's University's astronomy camp ten years ago when we showed the space cartoons up in the thumb in Lapeer, MI! It was the only way I could get Steve to come to astronomy camp!)
Re: Fjords at Auction
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 03:59 AM 1/10/2002 +1100, you wrote: This message is from: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear List: Mary's post concerning the number of fjords showing up at auctions made me wonder: Is there any fjord rescue set up, much like many dog breeds have, to intervene and find new owners before a horse gets shipped off to a sale? None that are Fjord only that I am aware of anyway. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director & Registrar Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fjords at Auction
This message is from: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear List: Mary's post concerning the number of fjords showing up at auctions made me wonder: Is there any fjord rescue set up, much like many dog breeds have, to intervene and find new owners before a horse gets shipped off to a sale? Just wondering. Karen _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
Re: Fjord cross PMU foals
This message is from: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear List: Let me preface with, "I ain't no expert, but" I went to Jennifer's website to see her new foal. BTW, congratulations, Jennifer. I hope Lucky is everything you dream of. And keep us informed on his/your progress. On taking a second look at the photos of the mare, however, I thought she actually looked like the Fjord cross. Anybody else get that impression? Which may allay the fears of fjords being on PMU lines, but only adds to the cross-breeding of fjords discussion. Just my thoughts. Karen _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Re: PMU Fjord Crosses
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Steve McIlree > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > There is a very interesting thread on the OTHER > fjord list going on > right now. A woman on that list is writing about > her delight with her > new Fjord cross foal. It turns out she got the foal > from an > organization that buys foals from PMU farms in > Alberta and places > them with buyers in the US and Canada. The thing > that I find > interesting and appalling is that she states that > "They have alot of > fjord crosses. some are pinto." I guess if folks > want to sell their > Fjord mares to the Premarin lines, there isn't > anything anyone can do > about it, Steve, I would wager to guess that the Fjord mares in most Premarin lines did NOT come from 'private owner sales' - they come from auctions. Yes, Fjords - of all genders - DO wind up at auctions. We have begun to see more and more of them as the Fjord population grows. One of our own mares showed up at an auction a few years ago - in Idaho. Needless to say we were distressed to find out, especially when we discovered the condition she was in when purchased at the auction. She now has a good home where her owners are very aware of what they have(being Norwegians themselves). How she came to be sold at auction is unclear, but I suspect that somewhere along the line she was purchased by someone - probably as a 'child's pony' - who knew nothing about what they were doing and soon tired of trying to figure out how to do it right. Or possibly her owners fell on 'hard times' or there was a divorce...any number of possibilities. This is a big fear of mine whenever I contemplate selling 'older' horses - AND one of the big reasons that Line will never be sold. You have NO control over what happens to a horse - or who it is sold to next - once it leaves your control. I did consider donating her to a handicapped riding program, but before I did I came in contact with a Fjord I had known off and on since his birth. He had "flunked out" of a handicapped riding program and the once easy-going, do anything you ask, horse had developed some definite discipline/training problems. This was a middle aged horse of good size and kind willing temperment BEFORE his riding program experience. Obviously he had not handled the constant pressure or boredom - or whatever it was he couldn't handle, and so had been returned to his owner, who was now selling him. I decided this type of program was not for Line, who was then in her mid-20's. We won't get into the subject of Fjord cross horses - but they ARE out there. There is very little we can do about them, as there will always be horse owners who do not care whether their horses are registered or not and owners who don't know any better(ie. are not familiar enough with the Fjord breed to KNOW there is a rule against crossing them) or who do it anyway for any number of reasons. Heavens, I nearly did it myself many years ago. Only for lack of a suitable Jack donkey is there no Fjord mule out there with Line's bloodlines in it. At the time there was no rule against it. The Fjord mules I had seen were pretty good critters, so I would have done it - a friend wanted a mule for hunting and really liked Line so asked if I'd be willing to do the cross for him if he paid all the expenses. So things worked out for the best, I guess. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Introduction & trimming
This message is from: "Jennifer Kroll" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks. :) My friends prefer to call me Stubborn.. LOL.. He hasn't been studdy at all, thankfully. Do they get more laid back(and maybe not so spooky?) after gelding? He has only been wiith the cows and no horses for about a month and a half. Im sure he still knows he is a horse.. He probably thinks the cows are horses too, just fat slow ones with curly hair and long tongues, and goofy accents. :) Now, I have a question about trimming the manes. What do you use? an electric trimmer? scissors? something else? Will a normal horse's mane stick up like that if its trimmed? Or is it a Fjord thing. :) hehe Jen & her .25 Fjord boy - Original Message - > This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Jennifer, welcome and I enjoyed reading about your boy. You are a very > determined gal, keep up the good work. Think Lucky will be more like a > fjord temperament when he is gelded. Do you suppose he will know he is a > horse with those cow buddies?Jean
Hawaii
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Storme, are you still here and what is with your Hawaii trip? Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: PMU Fjord Crosses. & Introduction
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jennifer, welcome and I enjoyed reading about your boy. You are a very determined gal, keep up the good work. Think Lucky will be more like a fjord temperament when he is gelded. Do you suppose he will know he is a horse with those cow buddies?Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: I'm here (in Oregon)
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi there List,
Well, it's been eleven days now. I left Redwood City Ca. on December 28
at 4:00 am. and arrived in Salem Oregon at exactly 2:00 PM. I must say, it
was a long very lonely drive. However, the weather held up in my favor, the
only snow I saw, was in Shasta. And that was pushed up beyond the streets.
Very pretty country though.
It was strange coming into a town where I knew absolutely no one. I have
a friend in Mc Minnville (about 45 min. away) He did all the foot work in
obtaining a building for me to open a new karate school. Everything else was
done over the phone and via fax machine. I went directly to the building and
had to wait three hours for my friend to show up with the keys. I ended up
sleeping in the "empty building" and began at 6:00 am by going to home depot
for some supplies and paint. I haven't stopped working as of this post. I
expect to be finished by Friday and am having an open house on Saturday the
12th.
Salem is quite a nice town, I really haven't seen much of it, except for
my travels to home depot, a few restaurants, and the DMV. I hope to pass the
test and become a true Oregonite in a few days.
The weather has been what I've been told "typical" of Oregon. Lots of
rain, and a little sunshine here and there. I noticed that they don't stock
"sun tan lotion" in any of the stores at this time. When the sun does shine,
they seem to "warship it" like some wondrous phenomenon. The people are
wonderful. They are very friendly and warm. I really feel welcome here. A
little strange buying things that are marked one price, and when you check
out, it's still the same price. No tax : ) Fortunately I found a restaurant
("MIKE'S") and met the owner. He is going to send his entire staff to my
school to learn my eight week "Asphalt Karate" for women course. Wow, am I
glad to get that kind of response so soon. How much better can they say
"Welcome to Salem."
Well, Gail, I haven't forgotten you. I have just been swamped with trying
to get things started here. And Eugene isn't that far. I promise to write
soon, and perhaps visit. I'm still trying to locate a "home" for Rafael as
close to me as possible. I'm supposed to meet someone next week to discuss
the possibility of boarding him here. I sure miss him. I feel very blessed to
now "own" such a wonderful loving animal as my Fjord. And to soon have him so
close to me so I can spend a lot of quality time with him. I've been told
that he misses me a lot. The feeling of course is mutual. I can hardly wait
to put my arms around his big neck.
Well, this is my Oregon report for now. I want to thank all the wonderful
people who helped "guide" me safely on my trip, sending me weather reports,
highway conditions, etc. I had several phone numbers sent to me for emergency
should I had needed them. Who else but Fjord people would do so much. Thank
you. And, God Bless you all. Jack
Re: Re[2]: PMU Fjord Crosses
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, #13/ALF#13's dam looks just like the 1/2 Fjord:1/2 quarterhorse mare here in Fairbanks that I was referring to. Her 1/4 Fjord:3/4Quarterhorse daughter also has the coloration and her owner insists on calling her a Fjord, While I insist she would more rightly be called a quarter-Fjord! (Needless to day her owner gets irritated with me, LOL) Your colt is a doll, and I'm sure he will turn out to be all you want! The Canadian crosses would be nice too...I wonder if they have Canadian/Fjord crosses? That should really be a good horse if they inherited all the good traits of both. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska >Well #13/ALF#13 is my colts dam, my colt is the one in the pics. He just >happens to be in 2 dif pics, with slightly dif numbers. But those are both >him. I think you are correct on the rest. In looking at them again tonight >I can see they are probably 1/2-3/4 fjord. They lack the light wild bay base >color and pangre, and such. Cute little mares though. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PMU Fjord Crosses
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In my not so expert opinion, none of the mares shown with the Fjord cross foals is a purebred Fjord. I have seen one Fjord/quarterhorse mare here in Fairbanks and she looks like a fjord to the inexperienced eye..even her 1/4 Fjord foals look much like Fjords to those who don't know much about Fjords. This 1/2 Fjord mare very much resembles the mother of Lucky. Another Half Fjord (sired by an appaloosa stallion) here in Fairbanks also looks much like a purebred. I think the clue is the amount of white in the mane (much less in the half Fjords but still there) and a bit darker coat. The dun coloration is always dominant so the half Fjords come out resembling pure fjords. That is the big problem with crossbreeding...they can be passed off as purebreds. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where it has warmed up to +25 F This is the farm I am talking about. >http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=293591&uid=128924 >Perhaps some of them are crosses, but it does not say anything to that >effect. Who knows though! :) I am by no means an expert. I just try to learn >as much as possible. What do you think? Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re[2]: PMU Fjord Crosses
This message is from: "Jennifer Kroll" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Original Message - > There were some pictures on another site as well (Photopoint, I > think?). Some farms were split between the two sites, but the other > site had the photos of the paint stallion and the most paint & > paint-cross (including paint X Fjord) foals. That site also had > several photos that labelled mares as Belgian x Fjord, with > paint-sired foals. > Ofcourse Photo-point crashed, and burned.. so we will never know. Oh well... > There are only two mares there that I would think could even MAYBE be > purebred Fjord, the others are all definitely crosses (IMHO). The > mares in ALF#FJ13 and #13 might be purebred but the others are all > much too dark just for starters. It also looks like the mane on those > two mares has been trimmed in the traditional Fjord arch (?!) while all > the others have longer manes. I could certainly be wrong, but that's > my reaction to the pictures. > Well #13/ALF#13 is my colts dam, my colt is the one in the pics. He just happens to be in 2 dif pics, with slightly dif numbers. But those are both him. I think you are correct on the rest. In looking at them again tonight I can see they are probably 1/2-3/4 fjord. They lack the light wild bay base color and pangre, and such. Cute little mares though. Jen
