Re: Needed: Horse Transport
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] THE ONLY HORSE TRANSPORTED IV' TRUSTED MY FJORD, QUARTER, AND HACKNEY WITH WAS EQUINE EXPRESS. THEY ARE WONDERFULL AND CAN BE TRUSTED 100%. PHONE # 800-545-9098 AND 940-365-9098. GOOD LUCK! TERESA
Re: adding to the comments of Fjords at auctions....
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I saw that photo and it struck me immediately that the horse in the photo could not be a purebred Fjord, the head especially is not, and the slender legs also definitely suggest a cross of some kind. Either that, or the photo is distorted. But you say she is purebred? I hope you find satisfaction in her whether or not you discover her true origin. Ruthie, nw mt > Dear Fjord Breeders and subscribers of the Fjord Digest, > I bought a purebred grey Fjord filly at an auction in Lancaster County, > Pennsylvania in September. She is 2. I have been trying and trying to > track her breeder. She has/had EPM. She has been treated and is much > improved. I often go to the auction. Not because I am a dealer, nor am > I a breeder. I like helping a horse here and there if I have room and > am able. Fjords have long been a favorite and I was floored to see one > there. I recently had a letter published in the Fjord Herald to ask you > folks out there if anyone had any knowledge or information on my Elke. > (We named her). She should be 3 at some point this year. If anyone out > there remembers seeing a smaller grey filly that someone had, please let > me know. Also, I did get a nibble from someone in Massachusetts that > said last year a lady called her with a grey filly that she thought was > a Fjord. She said it was questionable if it could be sound enough to be > ridden. Same filly? Not a Fjord? Who knows. This particular person > who gave me the information didn't remember many details. > > By the time I got Elke, she was able to walk, but unable to trot, > certainly no cantering, and was thin, wormy, and very neglected looking, > with severe muscle atrophy. Her mane had grown out and fallen over to > one side. I don't think anyone else even knew she was a Fjord. > > So in answer to the comment that yes, Fjords DO show up at auctions, I > can attest to that fact. I have also seen them listed in the Draft > Horse Journal Sales reports from sales such as Indiana Draft Horse and > Mule Sale, Ohio Draft Horse and Mule Sale, etc. > > Again, if anyone out there can remember seeing a grey filly that may not > have been registered because 'something wasn't right'. Please let me > know. I have already tracked all grey fillies her age in the Fjord > Registry. > > Thanks, > Lora Bartlett.
new winter sport
This message is from: "Jim and Tamara Hooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The weather this year has been odd with freezing, thawing, etc. I am always anxious to work with my horses. When I came home at lunch and saw my lunging ring was thawed around the edges, I was ready to ride. I just lunged both of my Fjords and the way they kicked up their heels I'm glad I didn't ride yet. They are kept in pasture or big paddocks at all times. My surprise came as I was walking my mare past the hay barn. She quickly walked by ( strange for a Fjord) and there I was at the end of the lead line being pulled along on a sheet of ice. Probably not the safest thing to do but all went well and we both survived. My spirits are up now that I can work with my horses, but my husband reminded me that we could have a lot more snow this weekend. Tammy Hooper Naples, ID
Welcome Susan from Narnia!
This message is from: "SueFreivald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I do hope that, unlike the Susan from Lewis's Narnian Chronicles, you remain a friend of Narnia! I love the Chronicles and have read them aloud at the dinner table several times over the years of growing children. Welcome to the List! You will find a truly marvelous group of knowledgeable, generous folk. I sure have. My name is similar to yours -- Sue -- and I am from Rivendell :~)! I have ridden most of my life -- just back yard stuff, and am now riding and driving my first Fjord. They are truly remarkable as a breed and delightful as individuals. They require more quiet persistence and understanding than other breeds I believe -- make awesome, thoughtful partners. But no anthropormorphizing here -- still horses! Enjoy. They are worth what they cost. I always remember that it costs just as much if not more, to keep a mediocre or unsuitable horse as it does to keep the right one. I live on the other side of the (world) state, in upstate New York -- and it is less costly to keep a horse here, than in the City> God Bless and good luck. Sue Freivald.
Re: adding to the comments of Fjords at auctions....
This message is from: "Laurie Pittman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > This message is from: Lora Bartlett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Dear Fjord Breeders and subscribers of the Fjord Digest, > I bought a purebred grey Fjord filly at an auction in Lancaster County, > Pennsylvania in September Lora, I saw your letter in the Herald and was debating on saying anything. I hate to say it, but the first thing that I thought when I saw the picture was "that's not a pure bred fjord." I could be wrong, but it sure could explain why you can't find anything out about her breeder. Good luck with your search. Laurie Pittman
Needed: Horse Transport
This message is from: "D T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Can anyone recommend a transporter to take my Fjord and quarterhorse from the upper southeast border of Oregon over to Olympia, Washington? Deb _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Therapeutic Riding Program Donations
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] With 20 years in the Therapeutic Riding field I have to comment on the letter concerning mounts who flunk out. I'm sure Fjords just like every other breed have mounts who are better suited to one job or another. Our program coexists with an "able bodied" program so most of the mounts are used in both which we believe really helps with "burn out." A big misconception about riders in Therapeutic Programs is that it's basically glorified pony rides. We have riders who walk, trot, canter and jump. They compete in Dressage, Low level Eventing and Hunter shows. We have a Drill Team that is made up of Therapeutic Riders and Able bodied riders -- they perform a 10 minute intricate drill to music. We hope to include Nina (our Fjord) and Frodo as a pair in the "Mainstreamers" this year. We've never had another mount who matches Frodo before. One thing I always advise people is when donating a mount get everything in writing. That way you the donor can choose to take the animal back if it doesn't work out or give permission to sell it. Robyn in MD
Re: Pre 1986 inbred Fjords
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There shouldn't be any problem...My old gelding Bjarne(C23) has Stolmann for his grandsire on both sides. He is now 27 and has always been sound and healthy, with a great attitude. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, still a heat wave with +30 today. >Lars was from inbreeding as he was part of the original stock that came into >Canada or some such thing. He was born in 1984. > >What toll might that take on him? Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
should we get a weanling?
This message is from: Bonnie Liermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Brad: I am responding to your question about "are we crazy" I of course am no expert but thought I would jump in with my two cents. First, I do understand why you would like to start with a baby since you did not get a good horse the first time. It is true, the saying that selling a horse brings out the best or the worst in people. Sounds like you were probably misled on this horse. My advice should you seek a horse other than a fjord, is to get a horse through word of mouth. See the horse ridden by owners and hear what others you trust say about the horse. Then you can be pretty sure you are getting what the owner says you are getting. In regards to are you crazy, that depends. Babies take ALOt of work. You need to handle your youngster alot and do alot of different things with it. This would be an adult, not children. A playful young horse can seriously hurt a child (or adult). The new horse needs to spend alot of time being led correctly. Meaning no pulling and stopping when it wants to, no nipping, Learning a very reliable Whoa when you stop etc. This takes working with it almost daily. Also needs to learn to tie, give to pressure, cross tie. The kids would be able to brush and handle the horse that way, but not alone at this point. Then comes learning to lunge, voice commands, sacking out etc etc. Like I said alot of time. Perhaps what would work better for you is to purchase a horse that you know has had all of this handling and is about 2. Then you can continue with it's ground work and getting it ready to ride and train the horse for riding yourself. A horse that is 2-2 1/2 and has had ALL of this training would be alot safer around children. While Fjords are very gentle, they are strong and need reminders of their manners. Then too, your wife could train the horse but it would still be some time (in my opinion) before your horse could be safely ridden by children except maybe in a paddock. It depends on the horse and the kids. Sounds like your kids are used to being around animals and that will help alot. I still think the best route if possible is to buy an experienced Fjord that has ridden for a while. It doesn't have to be really old, but a horse exposed to alot of trail riding and not spooky. I think if you did that you would look back and say it was worth every penny. So good luck with your decision and I hope I wasn't discouraging. Bonnie in Wi Manitowoc. Where are you from?
New to list
This message is from: Grant Proudlove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My name is Grant Proudlove a divorced father of three girls with four grandchildren, I am 52 and currently engaged to very lovely lady. I live on a quarter section farm south of Roblin, Manitoba, Canada. We bought our first Fjord horse in April last year, in July we bought four more, We have a five year old gelding, an eight year old mare a seven month old filly a year and half old mare and a year and a half old gelding. We enjoy going for buggy rides and sleigh rides, I am currently training the five year gelding to harness, he learns quick and after only two goes at it as a team he took to single driving pretty easily, the first time was a little fast but he slowed down in the deep snow. In the spring I am going to start the two year olds to drive and the youngest one will start her ground driving training. I am new to all this as I spent my whole adult life in the Military, Air force so the horses are teaching me as much if not more than I am teaching them. we have just started a web page http://www.geocities.com/retyredman492000/index.html?1010353772410 Nice to read all the very interesting discussions on a wide field of topics I am sure I will learn a few things here. TTFN Grant
Re: "Geriactric" Fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had to comment on the Geriatrics - at the Farm we teach both able bodied students and handicapped students. Youngest student to date is a year old and the oldest was 93 years old. The majority of our horses are Senior Citizens 20 years old and up. Many of them still compete in Hunter, Jumper, Dressage and Event - we let the animal tell us when it's time to cut back which we then do. A lot of them are on Purina Senior food, supplements such as MSM anything to keep them comfortable working. Our Vets tell us we have the healthiest active Seniors and others anywhere. Robyn in MD where yesterday everything was ice covered and it was 55 today!!
Re: Blundstone (not blunderstone!) Boots
This message is from: Vivian Creigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Here is the Blundstone site in Australia. $54 for Classics. Shipping is $22 so a nice saving. We have all had very good success with these people. > http://www.paradisefootwear.com/blundstone/brown.htm
"Geriactric" Fjords
This message is from: "D T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I was reading Lynda's note about not wanting to sell older horses as you have no control over what happens to them. A few months back I purchased an "older" quarter horse at an auction. It was instant love between us. He was sweet and one of those horses anyone can ride. The owners were selling as it was going into winter and they couldn't afford to feed him. When the bidding started I bought him. I saw the woman who was selling him a little later and she was crying because someone had bought him. (Of course that is why he was there but now it was real). I promised her that he would never go to a meat market and he would be put to pasture to relax out his last years. She broke into the biggest smile I have ever seen. Then a couple of months ago I bought Lars who is 18 years old. I have jokingly told folks that I am going to have a geriactric horse farm. Anyway here is my point: Lars is 18 and Jack (the quarter horse is somewhere between 16-18). Neither one of these horses are anywhere near retirement. It seems to me many folks that own horses get rid of their horses long before the horse is ready to retire. Does anyone else have a similar opinion? Deb _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Pre 1986 inbred Fjords
This message is from: "D T" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lars was from inbreeding as he was part of the original stock that came into Canada or some such thing. He was born in 1984. What toll might that take on him? Deb _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Song of Norway scenery
This message is from: Steve and Mary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I can trim some frames out of my film print and take them to the photo machine. Let me know what scenes you like! Mary Dixon
Icelandics
This message is from: Steve and Mary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> They can be any color variation. I think an icy crossed with a fjord would be cute. Considering the icys came from fjords anyway. As for the australian cattle dog and the dalmatian, a lot of different dog breeds went into the making of our breed. Most dog breeds were made from other breeds. That's what's so unique about the fjord. It's only made of fjords. I think they're using the fjord mares up there for Premarin due to the soundness and temperament factor. At least the foals are not wasted. Premarin is a necessity in our aging society. If all of us women died before menopause like nature probably intended, then we wouldn't have that problem! Buying their foals is not a crime. At least they don't end up in a dump somewhere. Mary Dixon former high volume, full service humane society worker (2 years) and president of The Australian Cattle Dog Rescue of MI, Inc
Blundstone (not blunderstone!) Boots
This message is from: Steve and Mary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As a Blundstone veteran (been wearing them since 1995 or so) I'd just as soon get in touch with the originators of them on this side of the world. They are in New Hampshire and their website is here: http://www.blundstoneusa.com I talked with the owner of the company back then and she told me the story: Her daughter was a competitive hunter jumper and was in Australia and found these boots. She started importing them and they became the sole (ha) rep for the USA. She told me where to find them here. They aren't all that expensive- I buy mine for about 150.00. Here in Ann Arbor MI that's pretty good for decent shoes! My feet are worth a lot more than that. You should never buy cheap shoes. Mary Dixon Ann Arbor MI
adding to the comments of Fjords at auctions....
This message is from: Lora Bartlett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Fjord Breeders and subscribers of the Fjord Digest, I bought a purebred grey Fjord filly at an auction in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania in September. She is 2. I have been trying and trying to track her breeder. She has/had EPM. She has been treated and is much improved. I often go to the auction. Not because I am a dealer, nor am I a breeder. I like helping a horse here and there if I have room and am able. Fjords have long been a favorite and I was floored to see one there. I recently had a letter published in the Fjord Herald to ask you folks out there if anyone had any knowledge or information on my Elke. (We named her). She should be 3 at some point this year. If anyone out there remembers seeing a smaller grey filly that someone had, please let me know. Also, I did get a nibble from someone in Massachusetts that said last year a lady called her with a grey filly that she thought was a Fjord. She said it was questionable if it could be sound enough to be ridden. Same filly? Not a Fjord? Who knows. This particular person who gave me the information didn't remember many details. By the time I got Elke, she was able to walk, but unable to trot, certainly no cantering, and was thin, wormy, and very neglected looking, with severe muscle atrophy. Her mane had grown out and fallen over to one side. I don't think anyone else even knew she was a Fjord. So in answer to the comment that yes, Fjords DO show up at auctions, I can attest to that fact. I have also seen them listed in the Draft Horse Journal Sales reports from sales such as Indiana Draft Horse and Mule Sale, Ohio Draft Horse and Mule Sale, etc. Again, if anyone out there can remember seeing a grey filly that may not have been registered because 'something wasn't right'. Please let me know. I have already tracked all grey fillies her age in the Fjord Registry. Thanks, Lora Bartlett.
Sad report
This message is from: Vivian Creigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am very sad to report that Milton Long passed away last night. Our loss is the angels gain.
Re: PMU Fjord Crosses
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/9/2002 9:02:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > how easy it is to pass off a part-Fjord for a purebred. Is there a way to > prevent these horses from being registered, or do these folks of ill repute > have ways of "forging" the papers on through? Personally, I don't think there is a problem with people forging papers or such on part Fjords. It's just that some people, if they have a cross, will try to sell it to someone as a "Fjord". The un-knowledgable buyer may then tell all their friends that they have a "Fjord" and so on. If this horse happens not to have the particular qualities Fjords are "supposed to have" then it can lead to a possible bad reputation for Fjords in general. We call about an ad in a paper over in Idaho (where my brother lives) that said Fjord Colt for sale. Something didn't sound quite right to my Mom, so she asked pointedly "Is he registered?" No, the lady replied, but I think he can be What does that mean? His Mother is a Shetland pony, but he "looks JUST like his father, only smaller". But, to a buyer that may not have known better..?? (And, yes... I know of two persons - one in Idaho and one in Eastern OR - that are breeding crosses, unfortunately.) Amy Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Secret Santa TY and reveal yourself!!
This message is from: "Janne Myrdal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just received my secret santa package, - Christmas all over again!!! A great package with multiple fun gifts And all of them nicely wrapped. Better than what I did!! All norwegian stuff, and great norwegian story and coloring books for my kids as well, you know what a mother needs!!! Fjord statue already on my desk. And troll sign is going up by the barn as soon as we are done with it. Thank you thank you thank you!! BUT who are you??? I know you are from MA, but no more Janne Myrdal in warm ND.
Re: PMU Fjord Crosses
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:56 PM 1/9/2002 -0600, you wrote: This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've been following some of the conversations regarding the PMU Crosses, and how easy it is to pass off a part-Fjord for a purebred. Is there a way to prevent these horses from being registered, or do these folks of ill repute have ways of "forging" the papers on through? Well first of all I didn't see anyone say that they were registered. There are a fair number of Fjords out there that are not. The NFHR requires DNA typing of the horse before it can be registered. The horses DNA must qualify as an offspring of the stated parents DNA that is on file at our lab or the horse doesn't get registered. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director & Registrar Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inbreeding?
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 06:47 PM 1/9/2002 -0500, you wrote: The gentleman claimed that he bought the horse from a breeder and was told that the horse could not be registered because of the inbreeding. Now, we've discussed the crossbreeding...what about inbreeding? Is that against NFHR rules? Or was this man taken for a ride by a breeder? Inbreeding is definitely against the NFHR rules. Here is the section regarding both Inbreeding & crossbreeding: Inbred horses foaled after January 1986 can not be registered. This includes: mother to son, father to daughter, brother to sister and half-brother to half-sister. In the interest of protecting the genetic purity and the highest standards of the Fjord horse, we will withdraw from the Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry any mare or stallion that is used for crossbreeding with another breed or species. Violators will have their membership suspended and will lose all membership privileges including registration, transfer of horses and any voting rights. The names of owners and horses will be placed on the suspended list. To see the complete Rules for Registration you can go here: http://www.nfhr.com/nfhrrule.html Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director & Registrar Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inbreeding?
This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A "fjord" with facial markings and socks sounds like cross to me, if there is fjord in it at all. I've seen some fjord/pony-crosses and they often match this description. I've also seen inbred fjords - some "accidents" and some not, and they generally look like FJORDS. I don't know about the registration rules in America, but here we have no rules against for example horses with the same stallion for sire and maternal grandfather. This is pretty common if you study old pedigrees (pre-70's). Most people try to avoid it today, but I think all the Scandinavian studbooks will accept these horses. Back in the first part of the 20th century, there must have been tons of inbred fjords without socks. So - my guess is that this was a cross that the breeder took the chanse to sell as a purebred - if a fjord at all. Icelandic can be dun and do have white markings, but is there any reason to sell an Icelandic under "fjord-flag"? Are fjords more expensive than Icelandics? Gaited horses often seem to be pricey. However, not all Icelandics are gaited (most are!) and a non-gaited Icelandic might be more valuable as an "inbred" fjord. Regards Anneli * Anneli Sundkvist Department of Archaeology & Ancient History Uppsala University St. Eriks Torg 5 S-753 10 Uppsala Sweden Phone: +46-18-4716236
Re: Song of Norway
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Peg, I think most of us also found the plot a little thin...I raved about the scenery and the fjord horses, not the plot. The scenery was the star. The heck with the plot. LOL I wish there was some way to make still pictures out of the scenery! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, Where we are having a heat wave! Chinook brought +40 degrees today, tied the record high. >I had a different reaction from most of you folks when we bought the video, >Song of Norway. I loved the scenery and the shots of Fjords [of course] but >found the plot a little thin. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Song of Norway
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I had a different reaction from most of you folks when we bought the video, Song of Norway. I loved the scenery and the shots of Fjords [of course] but found the plot a little thin. Doug said he wished they had deviated some from the exact truth so it would have been a little more spicey. Still, I'm glad we have it to show friends. That's my one cent's worth Wish it would snow again, the four-foots are complaining about the combo of mud and ice. So am I! Ick! And no babies on the farm this spring - boo hoo. At least we are planning on another type of baby four-foot - a Golden puppy! Am looking at a new couch to replace our 30+ year old one, and think I have found the perfect fabric to hide dog, cat, goat, and horse hair. Bye - Peg Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
Re: PMU Fjord Crosses
This message is from: "truman matz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've been following some of the conversations regarding the PMU Crosses, and how easy it is to pass off a part-Fjord for a purebred. Is there a way to prevent these horses from being registered, or do these folks of ill repute have ways of "forging" the papers on through? Judy > This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > We won't get into the subject of Fjord cross horses - > but they ARE out there. There is very little we can > do about them, as there will always be horse owners > who do not care whether their horses are registered or > not and owners who don't know any better(ie. are not > familiar enough with the Fjord breed to KNOW there is > a rule against crossing them) or who do it anyway for > any number of reasons.
