Re: Herald
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I just got mine yesterday...with Walt Brunners name on it. They got one with someboday else's name. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, clear and sunny today, high of +25F >No Herald Up here yet either? How long should we wait before we realize >we're never going to get it? Wah! > >Mary O. >North Coast Fjords >Grand Marais, MN > > > Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Congrats Laurie & Russ is Lucky.
This message is from: "Laurie Pittman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > How exciting, yes Russ seems to be a keeper, does he cook?< Not only does he cook, but he does dishes too! : ) And, he thinks fjords are cool! Thank you, from both of us, for all the well wishes, both on and off the list. It means a lot to both of us. Laurie and Russ
Re: Herald
This message is from: Jon & Mary Ofjord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 06:15 PM 1/16/02 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: "Michele Bigelow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We have not gotten our Herald yet. ANyone else waiting for theirs? Michele Ne Herald Up here yet either? How long should we wait before we realize we're never going to get it? Wah! Mary O. North Coast Fjords Grand Marais, MN
Arena base
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just out of curiousity, what are the size and other specs on your gravel (assuming you keep this little bit of trivia around). My current bathroom reading is an article in The Horse on arena construction! > >We use the crumb rubber with a base of washed screeded gravel. It works >great. One disadvantage with crumb rubber is horses like to nibble it if >given the chance. > Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Pat no I am talking about a screen for the door of my arena to keep the birds out. But I use a "screenings" made from grinding rock for my footing in my arena and it never wears out and the horses love it. Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am getting duplicate messages from the list. anyone else? Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
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This message is from: "Glen L. Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean: Is it the crumb rubber that you are interested in or the washed screened gravel or both?. We use the crumb rubber with a base of washed screeded gravel. It works great. One disadvantage with crumb rubber is horses like to nibble it if given the chance. Pat - Original Message - From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "fjord" Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 7:28 PM > This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Darn, I did it again. Will you please give me the name of the company that > makes the screening for arenas?? Ugh, I often keep the delete button > down too long and clean out the messages I want to save.Jean > > > > > > Jean Walters Gayle > [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" > Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] > http://users.techline.com/jgayle > Send $20 > Three Horses Press > PO Box 104 > Montesano, WA 98563
Congrats Laurie & Russ is Lucky.
This message is from: "Betsy Bauer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Laurie, How exciting, yes Russ seems to be a keeper, does he cook? HE is the lucky one! You are a super gal... and now you'll have to begin your Fjord family perhaps a mare this time??? I can see you on foal watch... Best Wishes, Betsy Bauer www.fjordpony.com
Herald
This message is from: "Michele Bigelow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We have not gotten our Herald yet. ANyone else waiting for theirs? Michele
Re: Horse Transporters
This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Knutsen Fjord Farm wrote: > This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > I am also looking for an electric bit-warmer. My short search last night on > Google and Dogpile did not turn up anything except stories about things > getting a "bit warmer..." Help! > > Bye - Peg > > Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA > http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/ Hi, If you are handy with tools, you can make one from an ordinary light bulb fixture and coffee can. Email me private if you want me to try and explain how to. -- "Built FJORD tough" Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2002 #13
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Re: need bit contact
This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ruth bushnell wrote: > This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi y'all... > > got a gal that needs pronto info on where to buy a 5 1/2 " riding bit . > are you there Jean Earnest?? > > I gave her Liberty Saddle and she said they only had one?? did I get the wrong > company as I seem to recall ordering from them once before and they had pages > of bits. > > would sure appreciate a contact number for ordering > > thanks, Ruthie nw mt Hi, Try Dover. I think that is where I got my 5 1/2 egg butt snaffle. www.doversaddlery.com -- "Built FJORD tough" Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
Re: Horse Transporters
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Peg, we had someone ship out 2 horses from New Hampshire to or place here Carson City a couple of years ago via Allstate & they get high marks from me. (One of the horses was a fjord.) The driver & dispatcher were in constant communication w/ us throughout & the horses arrived here at this end very tired, but in good overall shape. I also have a very good friend who used to work for them, and compared to most commercial haulers, they are pretty good. Re. bit warmers, I just hang whatever bridle(s) I will be using that day outside on the south wall of our barn, or if its really cold, in the south facing window. Bits warm up for me OK like this. Barring that, what about using a small heating pad? Get a smallish one & just hang it over the bit from where it hangs in your tackroom, or just fold the bit(s) you will be using into the pad? Hope this helps! Karen in VERY cold, but sunny N. Nevada (good bit weather <|:~) _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Congratulations!
This message is from: "Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Congratulations, Laurie and Russ! Congratulations, Tami... on the arrival of your Christmas present! (Ken, Tami's husband purchased Karimill for a Christmas present. She did not know until Christmas morning... What a husband!) Jack - Keep in touch! Catherine Lassesen
Congrats
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tami and Ken - my heartiest congratulations, she is lovely! You must be in 7th heaven! See you soon. And, of course, many congratulations also to you, Laurie! Finally, re: colors. I received an interesting response from Tor Nestas after asking him a question about our Norwegian import Vilde, who has yellow in her background. To said that Ulsdun is a dilution of Brown, and that in some instances there is a "sliding" between the two. Hmmm. Bye, Peg Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
need bit contact
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi y'all... got a gal that needs pronto info on where to buy a 5 1/2 " riding bit . are you there Jean Earnest?? I gave her Liberty Saddle and she said they only had one?? did I get the wrong company as I seem to recall ordering from them once before and they had pages of bits. would sure appreciate a contact number for ordering thanks, Ruthie nw mt
Fjord grinstolpe topps!
This message is from: Steve and Mary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi other fjordies... I have taken it upon myself to write to the norwegian fella with the fjords and boars and iron fjord goodies. Here's what he sent me! Correspond to him if you want one of those fence post topsI'm ordering a bunch for our new farm! His engesk isn't really all that badhe writes like it sounds when they talk to you in person! My friend from Sweden talks just like this! When I was reading it, I imagined her voice! Prices are great. He's about 5-6 hours ahead of us (eastern standard time). Mary Dixon Ann Ar-bore MI Here's the whole correspondence: Subject: Re: På USA Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:26:06 +0100 From: "Kjartan F. Alnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: 1 Hello Mary - to your questione the ansore is yes we speak english but we are not so good at rating i english. Our fjord deisein we just our on stallion "Hildmann" as a motiv. All the atimes is hand made from the farm bay use. The fjord fig. is made in steel 4 mm and is 14 cm long whis no paint on. (playnsteel). We can paint them if ask or giv them a galveistion tritment agent corrodition (rust). We can make them in ather difrent sais if ask to fit whis ever gatepoll you want. To make the price essy you take away a the 0 ( nkr150 = $15, nkr175 = $17,5, nkr250 = $25) taks inkluded. Paint or galvaistion is 15% or 25% ekstra on the price. NB Shipping & handling is not included. When ordering you just nr. and name on the gift and R or L saide (whis foto) and how meny. Eksapel 1. nr.04 BOK / CD STØTTE 3 ( 3 x $25 = $75) Eksapel 2. nr.08 DØR/VEGG PRYD L 2 and R 7 ( 9 x $15 = $135) Eksapel 3. nr.01 GRINSTOLPE TOPP 2 painted ( 2 x $15 = $30 x 1.15 = $34,5) PS!!! nr. 04 book/ cd holder weigh 1.9 kg. Sory that we havent got aroud to translation our site in english. We are working whis it. We vil send you a mail vend is redy. As you se we are not so good to rait in english. So you si, we need som exsturnel help for that. Med vennlig hilsen Kjartan og Anette - Original Message - From: Steve and Mary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 12:56 AM Subject: På USA > Gjøre du tale engelsk? > På USA. > I like fjord grinstolpe topp! > USA penger? > Takk skal du ha! > > Mary Dixon > 5814 Thomas Rd > Ann Arbor MI, 48108 > USA
Horse Transporters
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all - We need to transport a horse from the Colorado Springs area to Ellensburg. Our usual hauler, Horsin' Around, doesn't serve that area. They mentioned Nationwide and All States. Anyone had any experience with them or know of any others? Thanks in advance. Rode Erlend and Sadie yesterday for the first time since before Christmas. All 3 of us seem to had had too many Christmas cookies. Either that, or the cinch [and my belt] have mysteriously shrunk. I have heard of this sort of occurance before - Phil Petty claimed to have a saddle with the same problem. I am also looking for an electric bit-warmer. My short search last night on Google and Dogpile did not turn up anything except stories about things getting a "bit warmer..." Help! Bye - Peg Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.eburg.com/~kffjord/
Re: On a brighter note - OT
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CONGRATULATIONS, Jack Long
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2002 #13
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 09:05 AM 1/16/2002 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ok, guys and gals, I hauled out my Herald a read the article on color in the Fjordhorse - then reread Sponenberg. Which leads me to a couple of questions: 1) Does anyone know for sure what color the Norwegian stallion Ola Gik was? According to the Norwegian Stud Book he is a light brown dun. I own an ulsdun daughter of his - out of a brown dun mare - and was under the impression(perhaps mistakenly) that he was also a brown dun. According to Sponenberg(If I am reading what he says correctly), this is entirely possible - as brown duns could carry the CCr gene hidden for several generations. Also, she is an ULSDUN(white dun, if you will) not a KVIT(cremello). A true dun with dark markings, midstripe, mane an tail stripe(very prominent), etc. While I have had her - and while she was in Canada - she was bred to brown dun stallions and never produced an ulsdun offspring that I am aware of. However, while she was in Norway she was bred several times and produced an ulsdun daughter(sired by Bjutind), a yellow dun daughter(sired by Trajan), and a pair of twin ulsdun colts(sire unknown to me). I assume that both Bjutind Also a Light Brown Dun and Trajan Also a Light Brown Dun are brown dun since I have read nothing that indicates otherwise. Sohow cum? No ulsdun offspring in NA? Could it be that the gene pool in Norway is much more diversified than our NA gene pool, so anything is possible? Question 2) If, indeed, the CCr gene can pass along hidden through the generations until it pairs with itself and produces a cremello(Kvit, white) Fjord, might it also go along unnoticed until it one day gets passed along in an egg or sperm cell in the right configuration and lo!! produces an ulsdun offspring completely unplanned for? Just curious. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director & Registrar Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: On a brighter note - OT
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CONGRATULATIONS! From Jack
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2002 #13
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > . The grey is the only color that can carry this > > dilution gene "invisibly", > > Lori, > Have you read the color article by Phillip > Sponenberg that is on the NFHR web > site? He says that the Ccr gene may be carried by > brown duns because the > Fjord has been bred for so long to have a uniform > pale dun coat that the Ccr > can go through the generations unnoticed until it > pairs up with itself to > create a cremello. Ok, guys and gals, I hauled out my Herald a read the article on color in the Fjordhorse - then reread Sponenberg. Which leads me to a couple of questions: 1) Does anyone know for sure what color the Norwegian stallion Ola Gik was? I own an ulsdun daughter of his - out of a brown dun mare - and was under the impression(perhaps mistakenly) that he was also a brown dun. According to Sponenberg(If I am reading what he says correctly), this is entirely possible - as brown duns could carry the CCr gene hidden for several generations. Also, she is an ULSDUN(white dun, if you will) not a KVIT(cremello). A true dun with dark markings, midstripe, mane an tail stripe(very prominent), etc. While I have had her - and while she was in Canada - she was bred to brown dun stallions and never produced an ulsdun offspring that I am aware of. However, while she was in Norway she was bred several times and produced an ulsdun daughter(sired by Bjutind), a yellow dun daughter(sired by Trajan), and a pair of twin ulsdun colts(sire unknown to me). I assume that both Bjutind and Trajan are brown dun since I have read nothing that indicates otherwise. Sohow cum? No ulsdun offspring in NA? Could it be that the gene pool in Norway is much more diversified than our NA gene pool, so anything is possible? Question 2) If, indeed, the CCr gene can pass along hidden through the generations until it pairs with itself and produces a cremello(Kvit, white) Fjord, might it also go along unnoticed until it one day gets passed along in an egg or sperm cell in the right configuration and lo!! produces an ulsdun offspring completely unplanned for? Just curious. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: On a brighter note - OT
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/15/2002 8:32:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Some of you met my boyfriend, Russ, at Libby last year (he had a great > time, by the way). Well, last Saturday night he asked me to marry him. CONGRATULATIONS Laurie!!! Amy Evers Dun Lookin' Fjords Redmond, OR Fjord [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Colour Article
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Tami, I haven't read Sponenberg's article but will check it out. According to the Norwegian research, brown dun does not carry the Ccr gene. This is based on studies of thousands of Fjordhorses. I would agree with their studies rather than Sponenberg's theories which are not borne out by the empirical results. That said I have seen one white dun who wasn't very "white" looking or even very "wool" looking and at first I thought he was a light brown dun. I am sure the mistake gets made. Apparently he looked much whiter in his winter coat, but the big clue was that his muzzle wasn't mealy but rather it was dark. And of course he sires white dun because genetically he is a white dun. To answer your second question, yes, white dun is a dilution of brown dun - the genotypes of white dun are all the same as brown dun but with one Ccr gene - CCcr instead of CC. Lori [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Lori, > Have you read the color article by Phillip Sponenberg that is on the NFHR web > site?
Re: NON benefits of the older horse
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is sometimes the case - but if you get even the basis visual vet inspection (here that's $30 trip fee plus $80 for the vet) you can get a vet estimate of the actual age, vet's visual inspection at the walk / trot / gallop for basic check on arthristis, the navicular tool tested on the hoof, etc. For the xrays also - well, that's usually a couple of hundred more, *BUT* unless the vet saw something suppicious in the visual exam, not necessary (in my opinion, when looking for a trail & companion horse). "...a first time horse buyer...was looking for that...bomb-proof, reliable...horse...found him in Max, a 17 year old...would give his heart to you..." Your Max sounds like my Salazar - my first time horse for a spankin' beginner adult ridder. "...After I got him home, the bills...started racking up...seller's lies! He was...in his mid-twenties...needed...teeth floated twice a year...one hoof that had foundered...egg bar shoes...older horse diet..." My Salazar turned out to be in his 30's not around 15 as the seller represented him. Back then, I did not understand the value of paying for the simple $110 vet check before putting a dime down on a horse. The old man also had chronic arthritis and had to be have butte pain killers to be ridden (in the second year I had him, we learned that, after $2,000 in vet bills and xrays to find the cause.) Old Salazar is another example of a old timer who had big heart, was very gentle. For my first horse, and my serious lack of riding skills (back then) dispite his old timers' extra costs, that first year of no broken bones (or hospital trips!) was still worth it. But, if I had understood the value of a vet check pre purchase, then I could just as easily have bought a horse that REALLY was 15 yrs old, who did not have any health problems. Bad feet, arthritis, all these are signs that a vet can pick up. It's not normal for a 15 or 20 year old horse to be in that kind of bad shape! If that horse was well taken care of it's whole life, it will NOT be in that kinds of bad shape. I now have a 22 yr old Standardbred mare - who doesn't look her age at all - and who plays in the medieval games (sword & target work on the mount) with no problems, who's feet are in perfect shape, who's weight is good. In pasture, with no one holding her head, my hyper son can literally climb up her neck and sit on her back (she's 15.2 hands) and she just ignores him. She's been with my family for 6 years now. And has quite a few years left in her. All this at 22 yrs old! The point I'm trying to show is --- new buyers (I was once there!) will really benefit from getting a vet check, even the simple $100 type, before putting any money down on a horse. Not all breeders are dishonest in representing their horses for sell - but on the same hand - there are far too many out there that the new buyer must really beware! Some sellers also just don't know the history of their animal all that thoroughly, for whatever reason - so again, the buyer benefits from a basic vet check. I feel that goes for a $800 grade gelding mutt-butt all the way up to an $8,000 gorgeous wonder fjord - after all, we have one body and one life, it's worth it to get a good match of horse to person. Nothing is worth this human getting "busted up" over it. Now, the folks who know how to break / gentle a horse to perfection - that's great - they can get a young green horse and not get hurt. But I'm talking more about us folks who are still learning and just do not want to go through that. Sher
Re: Inbreeding?
This message is from: Alison Bakken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Mary, I have heard that they make good driving horses. In Iceland they were primary bred for riding. I have seen old pictures of them in harness, but being lead while pulling a load. Usually the horse was wearing an open bridle. The tolt is much more comfortable than the trot. The tolt is similar to riding the running walk of the Tennessee Walker. The movement in the saddle is from side to side not up and down. Alison Bakken Sundre, Alberta
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2002 #13
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey everybody! Our new Fjord Karimill is here! It took two days of driving for her to arrive, and she is hungry and tired and Gorgeous! We are so excited and happy to have her here. Thankyou Catherine Sorry for all the exclamation points, but we are so thrilled to have her. The transport company was All State Horse Express and they seemed to do a great job. Karimill isn't stocked up, and she doesn't have that gaunt, sucked up look that many transported horses can get. She was very relieved that there were other horses here. She is everything that we hoped she would be. Thanks, I just had to share our excitement. Tami (the new Fjord owner) and Ken (the old Fjord owner)
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2002 #13
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/15/2002 12:55:40 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > . The grey is the only color that can carry this > dilution gene "invisibly", Lori, Have you read the color article by Phillip Sponenberg that is on the NFHR web site? He says that the Ccr gene may be carried by brown duns because the Fjord has been bred for so long to have a uniform pale dun coat that the Ccr can go through the generations unnoticed until it pairs up with itself to create a cremello. What do you think? That means that brown duns could produce the lighter colors. The other thing I needs to be more accurate is that cremellos do not have an absence of color. They just have double diluted color. They have white markings that can be seen against the cream (if they are not Fjord). I also would like to ask you what color you think that the white duns are. You know, the brown dun is genetically a bay with a dun dilution, and the greys are genetically black with a dun dilution, and the yellow duns are genetically chestnuts with both a dun dilution, and a creme or CCC gene. So is a white dun a brown dun with the Ccr gene? What do you guys think? Tami
