brag alert
This message is from: "Dave & Patti Jo Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm bragging for Peggy Spears and OH Uljar. Peggy and Uljar went to the monthly Bounds Open show in Jan. (Madison, WI area) She just emailed and told me how Uljar just keeps getting better and better. This show he didn't place in any halter classes but got 1st in Jack Benny with over 20 horses in the class!!! WAY TO GO Peggy and Uljar!!! She said he was doing great in the walk/trot as well but took a couple steps of a trot when they were walking as a horse came trotting up behind him. He had just gotten kicked in the warm up ring and was nervous about other horses. Uljar is a coming 4 yr old this year, by Pjoska and Erland. I started him as a 3 yr old, so he really is a baby but doing fantastic. Another reason for good breeding, they throw good brains! He is a darling gray gelding. Peg said she started crying when she won, she was s happy. I tell you, selling horses can be very challenging at times, but when you get news like this it makes it all worth while. The key is the right match. I knew from the start Peggy was the one for Uljar. It took Peggy a few visits but she bought him last summer and has been delighted with him ever since. Peggy said Uljar is quite the show attraction with everyone wanting to see him and talk to her. This is GREAT for the breed, not only to see how wonderful their disposition is, but also that they can do WONDERFUL in the show ring as well. I'm so proud of both of them. Patti Jo Walter Francis Creek Fjords Where we are still without SNOW.
Does anyone have a Fjord or other horse that has foundered?
This message is from: "DT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Deb
Fjord Marketing
This message is from: "Tekin Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Still comes down to the bottom line that they are a living breathing creature and there is no quarantee if you purchase a 5,000 yearling that fjord will stay healthy; so you try to get what you feel to be the best for a little less. Regardless you still take that chance. I learned that the hard way with my morgan all the dreams of breeding and showing went up the tubes when she was diagnosed with Cushings within the first 4 yrs at least 6,000 spent on vets , tests, medications, farriers but I still have her because if anyone took her even for free which I offered many times to vets to help find a cure for this disease and they refused. So there see be now l2 yrs feeling a lot better on natural drugs(vitamins, supplements) and looking as beautiful as ever BUT THAT's all she will ever be a pretty horse and companion to my fjord .So if anyone and I know noone would quarantee a horse to be healhty and perfect I'd spend that 8,000 TOO Linda in the brutual part of western mass temp now 0
Thought this was cute
This message is from: "Dan & Toni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Last week I got stepped on by one of my horses. I have been backing them in and out of their stalls to keep from hitting my sore foot on them or anything else. just can't move it fast enough yet. Anyway, a few days after my mishap, I was letting the horses out for the day. I opened Erick's (my Fjord) stall door to "escort" him out and he took one look at the lead rope, turned around and backed out of his stall. He stopped right next to me and had a look on his face that said TA! DA! After assuring him that he was a bright boy, I led him back into his stall and led him out again. I like that he perceives my "needs", but don't want him to make the final decision. He is such a clown!
Beth's fjord show
This message is from: "Norsk Wood Works" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fjord owners and breeders around the country owe people like Beth and her friends a big thank you and a job well done. We all move forward when our breed is shown by dedicated experts like Beth. I can only imagine what they looked like at this time. BDF Obelisk is a very impressive fellow. I bet there was a powerful image presented to the crowd in Denver. Good Job. Phillip Odden in wintry, windy, and cold Wisconsin.
Re: How to find out if your colt is good
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you, Catherine.interesting and good questions for folks to ask. Linda in MN
Blunder
This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean - Alaska is part of the US...? I'll be darned! When did that happen? OK, so I made an unforgivable blunder. Hopefully you catch them all in proof-reading before you post, but you never do, so far, we've found 2 others, but none quite so bad. So sorry! The picture you sent yesterday is not only adorable, it's pretty clearly Yellow, if winter coat is accurate. At least I specified that Yenna was fillly, not yet a mare I do tend to have that provincial "lower 48" viewpoint. Get that lady registered so she shows up when "Yellow Dun" is searchedshe's a beauty! Sue B - way to go! Bye from Cheechako Peg Peg Knutsen - Ellensburg, WA http://www.elltel.net/kffjord/
Re: Price of Fjords at Beaver Dam Farm - Setting the record straight
This message is from: "Arthur Rivoire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hello from Carol at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia -
Arthur's always saying I'm much too critical judging the horses we have at
BDF. Maybe so, but I'm the one who has to put a price on them, and there's
a lot to consider.
A great horse will be expensive -- An average horse sells at Beaver Dam Farm
for an average price --- about the same you'd pay anywhere. Horses
with problems or issues of any sort, or horses of lesser quality are priced
accordingly --- about the same price you'd find anywhere.
~~
Maybe the reason Beaver Dam Farm has a reputation for high priced Fjords is
that on average, we have MORE FABULOUSLY GOOD HORSES than found elsewhere.
~~
We've always priced our Fjordhorses according to their individual qualities,
meaning that in a group of five mares of a certain age, there can be a
significant variation in price. -- Horses are not "items" on a store
shelf --- job lots each item exactly like the other. --- We know that each
horse is different in temperament, character, conformation, movement,
ability.-- We try to assess each horse realistically, and then price
him accordingly. ---
We also make every effort to match buyers and horses, and have earned an
excellent reputation for doing that.
~~
We have a few expensive horses on our sales list, and several that are not
at all expensive. -- All of them, expensive or not, are really nice,
pleasant, well-mannered, well handled, well trained horses. -- For
customers who want very high quality, we usually have something to
ffer. --- Other customers who don't need to have "the very best", but do
want a well-trained, nice mannered horse, can usually find something
suitable at Beaver Dam Farm.
Examples from our Sales List -
TIALDA - 4 yrs. old. Imported, dressage lines - Started in dressage -
Wonderful manners - Powerful mover - Professionally trained to drive -
Trained at BDF for four years - Super on trails - Tall, big bodied -
Gorgeous ! $14,500.
BARLIND - 3 yr. old gld. by Hostar - Small, cute & sweet - Not very brave,
but easily manageable. Consignment horse arrived in fall at BDF. Riding
training will start in the Spring. Priced now at $4800.
This is a good example of our realistic pricing *
OORUK - Coming 2 yr. old gld. --- He will be a great horse for any use any
owner wants. Ooruk has it all! Size, movement, superb temperament. Comes
from top German dressage lines. Has been trained and handled the best!!! A
great prospect! $6500 (some might think this is expensive for a 2 yr.
ld. -- All I can say is that he's unusually good, and more than worth the
price)
Or . . . You can buy Zeus for $4800 (maybe even less). He's the same age as
Ooruk, but not as tall, not as elegant, not as good mover. -- Zeus is big
and strong, a sweetheart, and has a lot of good quality, but in my opinion,
is not the quality of Ooruk -- therefore, the price difference.
** Depends on what our customers want. If they want to do
dressage, then I'd steer them towards Ooruk. -- If
they're
looking for a strong, sound family horse with a good
attitude and
and some good training, I'd suggest Zeus. *
For a customer in the market for an outstanding stud colt --- A colt
that's very
tall (13.1 1/2 hands at 8 months), very big boned, has superb movement, and
a delightfully sweet, kind, willing temperament, along with being bred the
best, can call us about BDF TITAN. This colt has the size, movement, and
temperament to be an outstanding dressage horse, as well as a very
successful breeding stallion. --- His price is out of sight, of course,
but, he's worth it!
You see, there's something for everybody at Beaver Dam Farm. -- We wish we
had nothing but superb horses that would command big prices, but
unfortunately, as I said . . . . Horses are not "items" on a store shelf.
They're all different, and should be priced accordingly.
Kind Regards, Carol Rivoire
Fjord Wanted
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone: Just a few short weeks ago I posted a message on the Fjord Digest board which pertained to a request that I was looking to buy a Fjord. As of this posting, I have yet to find a Fjord which best suits my needs, so thought I would try posting again. What I would like is a well broke gelding to be used for trail riding and basic dressage. The size should be 13.3 to 14 hands as I'm a smaller older adult. If you or any one you know has such a Fjord for sale please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or phone (920) 337-0628. I welcome all inquiries. Thank you, Linda Walker Green Bay, WI
Re: Carol's idea
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I also strongly support Carol's idea. Not all of us are in a position to take all of our Fjords to an evaluation yearly. Not only are these evaluations few in numbers currently, but geographically, quite a way away for many of us. We personally have yet to be able to attend an evaluation due to time restraints and the fact we simply cannot find anyone we are willing to trust to care for our Fjords for however long we would have to be gone. Furthermore, if we did manage this feat, we would not be able to take all of our Fjords. For those of us who breed, this could be an invaluable tool for the colts. We tend to geld colts too, although we have normally sold our colts prior to being yearlings. If not, it is doubtful we would keep them intact until we could manage to get them to an evaluation for having a group of intact colts around is not exactly an easy feat, to say the least! Lynda Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjords Quality Fjords--Equine Transportation--Hand-braided Tack & Accessories White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 FAX: 775-383-6813 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords United Equine Foundation http://www.unitedequinefoundation.org/homepage.htm Lynda C. Welch Vice President, Norwegian Fjord Representative [EMAIL PROTECTED] UEF Fjord rescue email group: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uveitis
This message is from: "Hope Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello listers, Thor's eye is almost 100% better, tapering off on the antibiotic/cortisone eye ointment. We had Thor tested for exposure to leptospirosis, all 8 strains, thinking it likely he's been exposed here in dairy country. He came up negative. Which leads us to think this uveitis is autoimmune in nature, perhaps age related. Which at least gives us a clearer treatment option should it strike again. We will take him to an eye specialist for an intraocular injection of cyclosporin (autoimmune suppressive). My vet says a certain percentage of all horses will get this disease, the possibility increases with age, and is not common in the draft pony breeds, just unlucky. And it may never come back again (Hail Mary and fingers crossed). As a preventative, Thor is on ASA daily, and fly mask on sunny days to act as sunglasses. Thanks for all your support and I am so happy Thor is better, he is my main man. Hope N IL
Re: Year End Brags-long
This message is from: "Carol J. Makosky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sam & Sue Banks wrote: This message is from: "Sam & Sue Banks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In 2002, BDF Lillehammer and I showed in USA Equestrian recognized dressage shows under the United States Dressage Federation (USDF). I moved up to First Level this year, and in our 12 classes we placed first 5 times, second 3 times, third 2 times. Hi Sue, I sure enjoyed your post even if it was long. Keep us up on your everyday Fjord happenings when you have the time. It sure sounds like you are having a great time. Yesterday my driving club hosted the Sleigh and Cutter Parade for the St. Paul, MN winter carnival and it was on wheels due to our lack of any good snow cover. We usually have about 60 entrants, but only 22 showed up due to no snow. So there was plenty of good chili for all and those who braved the very cold and wind to drive were greatly appreciated and given a big round of applause. Me. I stayed inside and kept the pots stirred and watched from the window. I will thank all of the sponsors who donated $$ to help keep this parade going each year. -- Carol M. On Golden Pond N. Wisconsin
How to find out if your colt is good
This message is from: "Lassesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How to find out if your colt is good 1. Attend the seminars that Wayne Hipsley instructs. There have been several in the Galena area and there is one on February 22 & 23, 2003 in Southern Oregon. There will be another by the MW group in March. I am sure there will be more as the years to come. 2. Attend a NFHR Evaluation and talk to the Evaluators and watch the results. 3. Take your young stock to the Evaluation. If you are thinking of bringing up this colt as a stallion. Then he needs to be in the trailer and learn how to travel and behave. You need to get people to see him and you need the experience in handling him. There is no excuse for not having a stallion prospect evaluated. There has been NFHR Evaluations held every year in almost every regional area. 1500 miles plus is no big deal when it comes to making this type of decision. Expenses for an evaluation is very little compared to the overall cost of keeping and campaigning a stallion. 4. DOES YOUR COLT HAVE A GOOD TEMPERMENT? Does he bite? Does he push you around? Does he try to mount you? Does he have a willing attitude? Does he behave under halter? IF HE is not behaving as a younger... he most likely not going tobe behave better as an adult. Temperament is NOT LEARNED but inherited. TEMPERMENT is also one of the main factors in our breed. They were selected for temperament for hundreds of years. We have done our breed a disservice by keeping some "pretty" stallions that have bad temperaments. 5. If your colts has a good temperament, then look to conformation. If you do not know anything about conformation, get a book on it and study the subject. If the colt has excellent conformation... consider more. 6. Bloodlines... If there are several of his brothers already standing at stud... then you may consider gelding him. The more brothers out there the more your colts bloodlines are already being used and the harder it is (sometimes) to get breedings. If you are planning to keep the stallion for yourself, do you have enough mares that are not related to him to make it worth it and keep him as your stallion. It is sometimes less expensive to hire a stallion service out, then to keep your own stallion, even at the $1500.00 price range. 7. Do you gave the facility to keep a stallion? Many states have regulations that require fencing and privacy fencing for stallions and breeding areas. Please be aware of your state and local rules. 8. Do you have the knowledge to keep a stallion? Are you ready to educate yourself in the handling of a stallion and breeding mares? 9. Do you have the TIME. Stallions take more time than geldings and mares combined. They take work and they take a constant discipline to maintain a good working attitude and to train them when breeding is ok and not ok. If you do not have time to work your boy... geld him and enjoy him as a gelding. 10. If you believe your colt is good quality and he is gentle and kind and you can handle him. It does not hurt to wait until he is older to geld him. Many times we keep our boys until they are 3-4 years old and see how they developed and grow. Some of our boys turned out to be beautiful geldings and others developed into good stallions. It sometimes pays to wait. My person observations from being a horse person & breeding other breeds before I found the wonderful Fjord! Catherine Lassesen
Congratulations, weanlings
This message is from: "Linda Lehnert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Congratulations, Sue! You and Lilly and Silija are demonstrating what having and enjoying good horses is all about, doing things you enjoy, having fun with them and showing others how much fun Fjords can be. Having worked for 2 neurosurgeons many years in the '60s and 70s in Dallas, I have seen thousands of patients with all kinds of neck and back problems and it is a tribute to your Fjords that you are able to ride, not to mention to your own perserverance. I'm glad to see you are still able to enjoy your horses. As to weanlings, I agree with those who have stated that obviously one factor is the price. I am appalled with what I see for Fjord prices in N. America; they are much more reasonable over here. However, I think another problem is age. In my experience with young Morgans many people do not want to buy weanlings, yearlings or two year olds, but want one that is at least started under saddle or green broke to ride. If someone has the time and can work with them, young horses are wonderful, great fun and a great opportunity to bond early. However, many people are looking for rideable horses and don't want to have to wait so long and only do groundwork in the interim. I have known Morgan breeders who will keep a fine colt who is definitely a stallion prospect entire until the right person comes along. If the colt has good temperament and the owner has the place to keep him, this should not be a problem. I have had several young and grown Morgan stallions and they were all easily handled by an amateur (me). I would personally rather wait and keep a good colt entire for the right buyer if I had the place than geld a good stallion prospect. Just my 2 Euro cents worth. Linda in Reichelsheim The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE*
Re: Carol's idea
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Janne - I would be interested in an evaluation in MN - would the cities be a good place? There is a facility available for "rent" with an indoor arena, stalls. There are probably others who know of facilities, too. Hey, Minnesotans, let's work on this!! Linda Lottie - soon to be from the Rollag, MN area - home of the annual Steam Thresher's Reunion
Re: Hi Everyone!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/27/2003 8:31:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I'm so looking forward to enjoying this horse, I have a work at home > situation (I'm an artist) and I plan on spending lot's of time with her. > I'm greatly enjoying the FjordHorse list - thanks to all for your > invaluable > information! > Welcome Nancy! I'm also self-employed and enjoy the extra time with my Fjords. So, when do you start doing Fjord art? ;-) Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA http://www.ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Our Fjords http://www.ourfjords.freeservers.com/fw/Fjordings_Wesx.html";>Fjordings West
Re: Carol's idea
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello all, I have had a bit of trouble with my e-mail so I am a bit behind with this thread. I say this because I had replied directly to carol in support of her idea. She had asked me to post my support to this list, and I have been unable until now. Carol has a very good IDEA. I for one as a relative new comer to the breed and having purchased "nice" mares, that have produced a couple of "nice" babies By "well respected" stallions, would benefit greatly from such a service. I want as much info as I can get from as many different people as I can get it from. I love this breed for the supportive people involved. I would also like to say that education, verification, or confirmation of possible stallion candidates by A knowledgeable, objective, source would be well worth the cost. As for what an individual does with the results, it should be up to them. Personally I don't plan to keep the not so great info private. (I guess I don't keep anything private) I want to be able to talk openly and honestly with the buyers, sellers or breeders. About the strengths and weakness of any of my horses after all, we agree there is no perfect horse right? There are many fantastic horses in this country, born here or otherwise. Wouldn't it be nice for us to know with all that careful purchasing and importing we are producing horses good enough to be considered stallion material? Isn't the "proof in the pudding" ? A colt has a biological clock ticking away at an alarming and LOUD rate. Not that many of us have the room and facility to wait and see how these fellows turn out. Not such a big deal with a filly, we can perhaps wait and see how that head turns out etc... My colt is for sale I would like to know what "quality" he is if you will, but I do know that even if he is "all that", the truth is I am unable to raise him as a stud on my farm. Gelding him will have to occur long before I have the opportunity to show him, or attend an evaluation with him. So if he is stallion material not many people will have the opportunity to consider him as such. Respecfully, Sam Stanley Barefoot Farm Fjords Amesbury Ma
Re: shades of grey
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Knutsen Fjord Farm wrote:
>
> Lori of the excellent explanations, any comments?
OK, I'll comment :-)
> I just want to respond to the idea that Grey Fjords who carry the Cremello
> factor will have lighter colored coats than Greys who do not. I don't think
> that is true.
I agree. Based on the fact which Monica pointed out that the dilution gene
doesn't affect black hairs, it is probably not true that greys carrying the
dilution gene are any lighter in colour, also Tor Nestaas did say, 'you
can't tell by looking'.
> We're pretty sure that Erlend, who is "silvery" Grey does not
> carry the Cremillo factor. He does have some Uls dun ancestors way back, but
> he also has lots of offspring, and all are Brown or Grey. If he carried the
> Cremello factor, we should have seen at least one red.
Oops - I think you meant to say: if Erlend carried the cremello factor we
should
have seen a white or yellow offspring. The cremello factor doesn't affect
the production of red offspring. The production of red offspring comes from
the possession - or not - of a small b, "lack of black" gene. A red dun
needs to have two small b genes, one from each parent, in order for him to
have no black hairs in his points or in his body colour.
> Smedsmo Graen, the Grey stallion that Phil Odden just imported from Norway,
> is darker, [Phil describes him as "slate] and does apparently carry the
> cremello factor, based on his offspring.
Has Smedsmo Graen sired any white or yellow offspring from non-{white or
yellow} mares? If you are thinking of Yenna, she doesn't really tell us
anything about Smedsmo Graen's cremello-carrying possibilites since
Yenna has a white mother, the chance is 50-50 that Yenna got her cremello
gene from her mother. Yenna does tell us about Smedsmo Graen's Black genes
however, and that he must carry a small b gene in addition to his capital B.
Since yellow is a diluted red, and red duns have no black whatsoever, yellow
duns need to get a small b from each parent, therefore Smedsmo Graen has a
genotype containing Bb (as does Mykleblakka, Yenna's dam).
Lori
Carol's idea
This message is from: "Janne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This sounds good to me. Is it possible?? BOD members??/ It certainly would take alot of work, but in the long run it seems like it could be a great idea. There are several new imported stallions right now, but they all need to prove themselves in their offspring and that will take a few years. Meanwhile it would be great to raise a few new quality USA stallions. I am not one to want to own one, but we do have one or two foals a year, and would benefit from the education of this form of evaluation. WE just need to make sure the results are private, like Carol suggested, and that the owner can release or burn the results if they want to. Regarding evaluations, upper midwest folks, how about putting together an evaluation in the Twin Cities some time, those of us from ND, SD, MN, WI or even Manitoba??? It would not compete with Blue Earth, just maybe do it another time of year indoors. I have a friend with a heated indoor arena, tho I do not know if she would allow us to use it. Lets throw this one around. Email me!!! Janne
Hi Everyone!
This message is from: "Nancy Blauers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Everyone! I just wanted to come out of the shadows and say hello! After 15 years of being fascinated with Fjords, I've finally decided to step away from the realm of Quarter Horses and try one. I've just purchased a fantastic 6 yr old mare from Fawn Creek Fjords in Colorado and she is an absolute sweetheart! In the week that she's been with us, here in sunny Orlando, "Mischa" settled right in and has become a very loved and fawned over member of our family. My Quarter horse gelding, "Sam" is still staring at her, trying to figure out what she is (he's done that at open shows with leopard apps and minis too). I'm so looking forward to enjoying this horse, I have a work at home situation (I'm an artist) and I plan on spending lot's of time with her. I'm greatly enjoying the FjordHorse list - thanks to all for your invaluable information! Happy Riding (and Driving) Everyone! Nancy Blauers _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: T-shirts
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> J20038-- Sunday, January 26, 2003, you wrote: > I believe about 5 months ago or so, I paid for 2 T-shirts, and then > I remember reading that there was a problem w/ the orginal order, > and that they were being re-done and coming soon. I have not > received mine. Can anyone tell me what the status is? Since I have now returned to Omaha, getting the printers moving on the tee shirts is definitely on this week's agenda. I know I promised to make it my first order of business after I returned, but you would be surprised (or maybe not) at the number of things that are high priority after being away from home for three months. I will get over to the printer's and give you all an update in the next couple days. -- Steve McIlree -- Pferd & Skipper -- Omaha, NE/Las Cruces, NM, USA What if the hokey pokey IS what it's all about?
16 year old
This message is from: "Janne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mark said: It depends. Would the 16 year old work outside when it's below zero? Sorry couldn't resist. Good point, :> I would just kick him out To work, that is. Janne. in only 10 below today!!
