carts
This message is from: Janet McNally <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > With all the knowledge here Can anyone give me some input on a beginner > cart. I have 2 Fjords and plan to start their driving training with a > trainer but when we get to a point to bring them home I need to have a cart > to keep up the good work. Something that would go single or double would be > nice but I don't know if that is a option. > > You can tell I haven't got a clue yet. > > Any opinions would be appreciated. > Roberta in dry dusty MN. > > If you have one for sale in MN let me know > Hi Roberta, If you can get down to Cannon Falls on hwy 52 south of St Paul, there is a little tack store next to the super america gas station (you have to get off of 52 at the light). In there are some nice rugged single horse carts made locally. He has a web site, but cannot recall the name of the cart. If you want to drive a pair, and just want something for training/utility, I'd prefer the fore cart, it is a heavy rugged cart. There were lots of them at the Princeton (MN) draft horse sale this spring. Not sure if they do a fall sale or not. Waverly Iowa has a fall sale, I'm sure there will be fore carts there as well. Janet
HOAX! Re: warning email virsus fjord horse or any site
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This isl a HOAX..Check out http://www.snopes.com/computer/virus/wtc.htm At 08:51 PM 9/2/2003 -0400, you wrote: >This message is from: "Tekin Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hi everyone- Just received a warning about a email virsus that can come across >in the next few weeks. If you receive an email referring to 9ll or WTC >SURVIVOR DO NOT OPEN WILL WIPE OUT ENTIRE COMPUTER SYSTEM. Linda in western >mass > Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: warning email virsus fjord horse or any site
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This is a hoax Linda... surprised you slipped the "V" word through = Ruthie > This message is from: "Tekin Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi everyone- Just received a warning about a email virsus that can come across > in the next few weeks. If you receive an email referring to 9ll or WTC > SURVIVOR DO NOT OPEN WILL WIPE OUT ENTIRE COMPUTER SYSTEM. Linda in western > mass
warning email virsus fjord horse or any site
This message is from: "Tekin Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi everyone- Just received a warning about a email virsus that can come across in the next few weeks. If you receive an email referring to 9ll or WTC SURVIVOR DO NOT OPEN WILL WIPE OUT ENTIRE COMPUTER SYSTEM. Linda in western mass
Re: embryo transplant reply
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A leak was my first thought but it is tight. Barring some strange symptom, I know there is a word for strange appetites, it must be the dryness. Thanks. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA Author:The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946-49 $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: embryo transplant reply
This message is from: Don Brackett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Is there a leak? Also the grass is very dry now and even here where we had plenty of rain this year I've noticed a large increase in water consumption lately with the drier weather. Jane jgayle wrote: This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kathy this is a very interesting topic re the embryo. Also your remarks about the weather there. We have always been known, other than the rain forest near by, as the rainiest place in the state. We have also broken all records for the driest summer and I am sure it will be the driest year. I have a question for the group altho it may be weather related. The water in the black plastic trough (100? 75? gallons)in my old fjord's field has been lasting only three days at most. I also see him licking salt a lot. Stands to reason salt makes thirst but I have concern that it might be more than the hot weather? He is putting on his winter coat, but I have never seen the tank go dry like this. Our temps have been high seventies and mid eighties. Even the trees are curling their top leaves. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA Author:The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946-49 $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: embryo transplant reply
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Kathy this is a very interesting topic re the embryo. Also your remarks about the weather there. We have always been known, other than the rain forest near by, as the rainiest place in the state. We have also broken all records for the driest summer and I am sure it will be the driest year. I have a question for the group altho it may be weather related. The water in the black plastic trough (100? 75? gallons)in my old fjord's field has been lasting only three days at most. I also see him licking salt a lot. Stands to reason salt makes thirst but I have concern that it might be more than the hot weather? He is putting on his winter coat, but I have never seen the tank go dry like this. Our temps have been high seventies and mid eighties. Even the trees are curling their top leaves. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA Author:The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946-49 $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: embryo transplant reply
This message is from: Kathleen Spiegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean Ernest wrote: > This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Well, the idea fascinates me, also, as I also have a biology background. > . > > etc.) the synchronization of the recipient mare's estrous cycle with the > donor mare's, plus all the procedures necessary to retrieve the embryo (In > the blastula stage I beleive), plus placing it in the recipient mare's > uterus would seem much too involved to warrant it. > > Or importing an embryo, rather than a grown horse from another country > might also be a good reason to do embryo transplants! > > Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, thankful for the lack of forest fires, but > darned sick of all this rain. > > Jean Ernest > Fairbanks, Alaska > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] After I replied the first time it struck me that the two mules I have are from the same mother as the TB/QH I talked about and their temperament is totally different from either their half sister or their mother, so it would be interesting to see if Fjords are the same way. Yes, this experiment would be mainly to help someone work the bugs out, but if it worked, then I have the added bonus of a second foal the first year from the mare I have, but obviously at no savings in expense since I would assume two breed fees and similar mare care. You are right about commercial expense. Folks who do this usually have a whole herd of young recip mares, several of them synchronized to the donor mare. I do have two mares though that I would not breed again for myself. Send me the rain -we are entering history making drought in our little corner of Idaho with the fires to go with it. In my drive to work I pass at least five burned out areas that have not only blackened the hillsides but burned homes. Kathy in southern Idaho
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This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, the idea fascinates me, also, as I also have a biology background. The picture I remember seeing in "The Horse" magazine a while back of a zebra foal with it's surrogate mother, a quarterhorse mare, intrigued me and I remember something about them saying the calm nature of the mare had influenced the zebra baby and made it easier to tame. So working the bugs out of the procedure for your Vet friend would make it a reasonable thing to try, but otherwise, unless you had a particularly valuable mare that you wanted to keep performing (as in racing, dressage, etc.) the synchronization of the recipient mare's estrous cycle with the donor mare's, plus all the procedures necessary to retrieve the embryo (In the blastula stage I beleive), plus placing it in the recipient mare's uterus would seem much too involved to warrant it. Or importing an embryo, rather than a grown horse from another country might also be a good reason to do embryo transplants! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, thankful for the lack of forest fires, but darned sick of all this rain. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: embryo transplant reply
This message is from: Kathleen Spiegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean Ernest wrote: > This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi KAthy, > > Wouldn't it be Much MUCH less expensive to simply buy a good Fjord weanling > or yearling rather than go through all the expense and trouble of doing an > embryo transplant? who would be > raised by this mare. Very interesting! > * > Jean Ernest > Fairbanks, Alaska > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean - You are absolutely right and I will be buying more Fjords I just happen to have a best friend who is a vet and has a stallion station and gone to embryo transplant school and since I am going to breed my Fjord in the spring anyway we were wondering if anyone had done it. I would be an understanding first client to work the bugs out with and have a biology background so find it fascinating. But- you bring up an excellent point about personality of the surrogate mom possibly "rubbing off" on the kid. Kathy
Re: various and embryo transplant
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi KAthy, Wouldn't it be Much MUCH less expensive to simply buy a good Fjord weanling or yearling rather than go through all the expense and trouble of doing an embryo transplant? of course it would be interesting to see how the temperment of the recipient mare, thoroougbred, or Thoroughbred/quarterhorse, would affect the baby fjord, who would be raised by this mare. Very interesting! Jean in rainy, foggy, gloomy Fairbanks, ALaska, with nothing better to do why are we getting all this rain, monsoons? > I Am seriously thinking of using my >thoroughbred/Qh and thoroughbred mares as recip mares for embryo >transplant - from a fjord of course. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
various and embryo transplant
This message is from: Kathleen Spiegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I totally agree that you should find the horse with which you are most comfortable and let the rest be hanged. If I had had my Fjord earlier, I would have had far fewer horses. I Am seriously thinking of using my thoroughbred/Qh and thoroughbred mares as recip mares for embryo transplant - from a fjord of course. TheTB/QH is absolutely gorgeous, but too exciteable in the mountains for me and I would not trust her as a driving horse. I bred her specifically because the friends I have really loved that cross for trail riding because they can really move out--- and they were convinced that in order to keep up I would need the same kind of horse or a good riding mule. I have a young mule out of the same mare as my TB/QH cross and I agree she will be an awsome mount as long as you are not afraid of heights, but we all have a new respect for the Fjord. . My four year old Fjord just took her first real trail ride in the mountains last week, accompanied by an equally green 4 year old riding mule and an 20 year old steady eddy TB/QH. On this one ride she learned about trail bikes, deer, moose, ponying another horse and crossing rapidly moving water, slipping down a short steep slope and recovering with a rider. And you know what? Those short little legs kept up just fine with the others in spite of at least a 10 inch difference in height. People underestimate the power and athleticism because of the build. I felt confident because it was like riding a six wheel drive gator up those hills. The mule was also steady but insisted on putting the Fjord between himselff and anything really suspicious - probably figured the bears would eat the fat pony first and give him a chance to get away. Actually Jill is not at all fat but has the same girth as the big horses. The day after the trail ride she entertained a group of kids in the arena for half the afternoon and a nine year old girl started riding her english over ground poles. Tomorrow we take her to the county fair for a pleasure driving competition and cones course. If I could have managed to leave her there we would have competed in ladies draft cart class and I think done well. The only thing that comes near this kind of versatility and steadiness in my small group is the mule. The mule and her full brother ( thoroughbred/catalonian) will be a very classy (tall)driving team in another year so I was interested to hear about the draft mules in the CDE competition. The gentleman who helps me train the fjord ( and me) will be working this winter with us on low level dressage to put some collection and polish on her and me. All in all, even though the initial investment may be higher, this is the most used horse that I own and worth her weight in gold to me because I am so much more comfortable with her. Anything any of the other horses can do, she can do ( except win a speed race- unless it is over sagebrush). Now back to my original question - has anyone out there had experience or know of anyone with experience using embryo transplant and recipient mares with Fjords? Kathy in Southern Idaho
Fjords at Troyer's in Denver,CO
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has anyone seen the upcoming October 4th Troyer's Auction promo page? http://www.troyerauctions.com/cdhea.html There's 4 fjords consigned so far - but then, this page is only a sampling, is not everything that will be there. One pair, a team, are 2 & 3 yr olds from Short Creek in Canada. The other pair is a team of 5 & 13 yr old (mare & daughter). I think all four are either started or well broke for trail riding, as well as plowing etc. (Sigh) Wish I had enough mooo-lah in the pocket to get one! But am geussing they'll probably hold out for selling 'em as teams.? Ah well, am saving up for a fjord of my own, someday. !:-) Sher
Re: beginner starting to drive look out
This message is from: "Karen Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Roberta: You asked about a cart for a beginner driver, so I assume by "cart" you mean a two-wheeled vehicle. A single horse starting to drive is normally put to a two-wheeled vehicle. A move can be made to a four-wheeled vehicle once the horse is going well and accepting its driving lessons. Some recommend driving a horse to a two-wheeled vehicle for its first year before moving to a four-wheeled vehicle. As a rule, a two-wheeled vehicle is meant for a single horse only. With that said, you will often see the two-wheeled "forecart" come with both shafts (for a single) and pole (for pair). But the forecart is a farm work vehicle (think mostly walk) with low center of gravity and meant to have farm machinery attached to it; thus creating a more stable unit. There is also the obscure "Cape Cart" hitch developed in colonial South Africa, which allows you to put a two-wheeled vehicle to a pair of horses, but this requires specialty harness and fittings. Also, the English curricle is a two-wheeled vehicle pulled by a pair. Both these vehicles were meant for smooth, flat roads and experienced drivers. Conventional wisdom says a two-wheeled vehicle with a pole for pair is far less stable than a two-wheeled vehicle with shafts for a single. Think of the chariots in Ben-Hur -- Yikes! Yes, I know those chariots were pulled by four horses abreast, but there was a pole between the two center horses. If you get into rough or uneven ground, the cart can easily flip, "twirling" on the pole, as opposed to a single horse with fixed shafts attached to either side of the saddle. Sometimes you will see the easy-entry pipe carts advertised with a pole for pairs. Personally, I'd steer clear of this setup for the reasons above. . Something that would go single or double would be nice but I don't know if that is a option. If you have a knowledgeable driving trainer, he/she should be able to recommend what type of vehicle and harness to buy. Any opinions would be appreciated. I hope this helps. I love my Fjords and I love driving. Good luck. Karen _ E-mail just got a whole lot better. New ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp
parker cde/compassion
This message is from: "jerrell friz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> After reading all the posts, I feel, I should offer a few more thoughts to this. Please note. that my reference is to combined driving only... I know there are a lot of fjord hitches out there , and some very good ones too. I first met the driver, Alex, and the owner, Paula Scott at the High Country CDE, in Calgary, 2001. I was looking forward to seeing them drive, as a team of fjords is quite rare.I only know of three. Finn Casperson's, driven by Bill Long in the eighties. [ probably nobody on this list remembers Finn's team, maybe Vivian]Brian and Ursula's, and now Paula Scott's, driven by Alex. As this was Alex's first cde he had a lot of questions, everybody was helping him. Well, the weather did not cooperate, and the event had to cancel . A month later, we met at the California Classic. The one thing that really struck me was the size of the ponies, small and very light weight.. Thinking back, I'm sure that they were three year-olds.[ four is minimum age] When I asked about the breeding and where they came from, I got the same answers that Karen got, nothing. They went on to compete and did a good job for the first time. Last year at the Classic ,[2002] I saw them again, completely different looking ponies, much bigger. But, I never was able to see them as I was competing, it is so hard to find time to watch when you have a million things to do yourself. As for not having the right dressage test, I have done that too, I found out when I got the whistle. But, that was a long time ago, when I did not understand the need for dressage. I now know better, as it is everything. It used to be that only a few folks know dressage and if you could do good in the marathon, and cones, you might place. That's not true anymore. Anyway, I now work on dressage every day, and absolutely love it. It's tough when the home team doesn't win, or in this case looks so bad. But, there are a lot of things that we will never know. Like ,is Alex being paid to drive this team? Maybe, he is only getting expenses, trying to make a better name for himself.??? It is true,, that he talks about the big horses,, as what he really likes, right in front of the owner. It really sounds like he did a good job, just finishing with the wheels down!!! I think, that if the ponies had been abused , they would have taken the bit and ran. I would think that the ponies have a very good temperament, and might do good with another trainer/ owner... Also, we have no idea how much training they had this season...I would suspect little or none. I doubt, if we will see them competing again. The Ca. Classic is by invitation only now, you have to meet high standards, and , or, be a big sponsor. That's my 2 cents worth, Jerry Friz, Anderson Ca. PS here is a great site for dressage, it was on the CDL http://www.cheval-haute-ecole.com/indexA.html Bernard Chiris was a student of Nuno Oliveira, who I consider the greatest horse person ever. " every farm needs a team "
