Re: Underweight fjord
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm also glad she's in your care now. Jim Sherette
UPDATE-underweight Tyra
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, the vet confirmed through the chip I most certainly do have Tyra. She had a thorough\ examination today. The vet stated she was at least 150 possibly 200 pounds underweight, estimating her weight at 775 to 800 lbs. She has several bite scars in various stages of healing on her rump. Her hips and backbone are quite prominent and she has literally no muscle anywhere. I turned her out and she ran quite nicely for a while but it took a long time for her respiration to recover to a more normal count. The vet said she may have recently had some respiratory ailment that has hindered her breathing some. I, of course, was told via a typed page from the consignors that she was in great health!! Tomorrow I am going to take a picture of her and send it to Larry Wishart along with a copy of the picture from Dreamhorse.com. I called him last night and he was quite surprised and upset. I honestly think this is a legitimate case of animal cruelty and neglect and wonder if the authorities in Cornelius, Ore, would do anything about it. Their may still be other horses in their possession. Someone asked about her training that was so touted in the original ad. She can't be ridden for obvious reasons and I seriously doubt she has had a bridle and saddle on for months. There is no way she could carry an adult with her protruding backbone and her mane shows no sign of a bridle path in a long, long time. But her eyes are soft and gentle and I am grateful to have her. Now, maybe all of you kind people out there can help me come up with a new name for her? Tyra is a nice name but I want to give her a new start. Any ideas? Thank you all again for your feed su ggestions and kind words. Keep up the good work.
Our lives with horses
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, I loved your "Our lives with Horses." You mentioned "Run for the Roses." Jane Olivor is one of my most favorite singers and I have all of her CD's. I went to see her in concert in Houston back in the 80's. I believe she helped write the song. Nice to find another Jane Olivor fan. Her DVD is excellent and I believe she re-did the song. She is a great lover of horses. Onna
Re: Underweight fjord
This message is from: Crystal Garland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dreamhorse.com...? Hmm, If her anem was Tyra? I looked at her, cause I always like to go on and look for other horses for sale. And she looked pretty good for info... Sorry, on that, but she'll trn into a nice horsey for you.. How is her attitude toward you...? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Last month I wrote to all of you asking telling of my problem getting a horse I bought on Dreamhorse.com. She was finally delivered to me yesterday-and in terrible shape. She is very much underweight and in terrible need of good grooming. I have the vet coming out today to "read" her register chip to make sure I have the horse I thought I was buying. Her registry number with NFHR is ABA-K-1290-M. If anyone can tell me the best way to recondition her and begin her exercise program I would be grateful. Her name is Tyra. Her sire was Konggard and dam, Aura. She was bred by Anne B. Appleby of Olympia, WA. I bought her from Max and Katie Madsen of Cornelius, Ore, who were selling her for Larry Wishart. I have since called Larry and told him what neglected condition she was in. (She had not been in his possession for several months and he was not aware of it). So I have once again been duped by a horse trader. Aside from the personal anger for this person I also have a husband who thinks I am a fool. Seems I can't win in this situation. Oh well, please offer any suggestions on getting her back in shape and happy. Thanks to all.
Re: White markings
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] HI Mike, Great news, thanks! Lynda
Re: Ontario Show - thanks!
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Beth, Cheryl e-mailed me saying theat she wasn't sure what her dates for '05 would be yet so I e-mailed her back with the ADS rally dates and will now live in hope that these don't turn out to be the best ones for her event too. I'm sorry if there were problems that would discourage her from last year...everything I heard made the event sound great and I was kicking myself about not being able to attend. I'm in physical therapy right now for something I did to my sciatic nerve. I'd love to tell you that I slipped while dancing on a wet bar-top in Vegas but the truth is I have absolutely no idea what I did to myself. This has limited me to brushing and kissing for awhile so Braveheart is putting his heart into being happy, fat and furry. About the middle or end of next month we're both going to have to get off our tubby duffs and back into harness. Have a great show season! Sounds like I'll be in the Highlands while you're beating 'em at Woodstock and (hopefully) fighting the good fight in Canada while you're terrorizing the rest of New England. Good luck to both of us! Stay warm! Kay Yellow Pony Farm SE MI
Re: Ontario Show Dates/ADS annual rally dates
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Cheryl, The best information I can get puts the ADS annual Rally, meeting and drive On the 6th through the 9th (or 10th) of October of '05. I sincerely hope it doesn't coincide with the dates you choose for your show. Everything I've heard about last year's event was great and has made me seriously disappointed that I wasn't able to come! I'm really hoping that Braveheart and I will be battling our way through Sarnia customs to come and visit you this year. I see from the ADS newsletter (The Wheelhorse) that the July Canadian Carriage Classic has been cancelled. That's too bad! Melissa (our trainer) was planning to bring the senior- citizen section of her student body (2 other ladies and me) across to see how we could do at that one. Don't tell the CC people but I was really hoping that it would help polish Braveheart and me up a bit for your event. I'll be watching and listening for whatever you decide. Meanwhile, have a good winter! Kay Van Natta Yellow Pony Farm SE MI
Re: White markings
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 12:29 PM 2/6/2005, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now, I realize the Fjord Herald is sometimes used for this type of communication (although I do not remember reading the minutes from all the committees in the last Herald), but as it only comes out 4 times a year, there are huge gaps in time. Isn't it possible to get this information on the website? We are working on doing that. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Executive Director & Registrar PO Box 685 Webster, NY 14580-0685 Voice 585-872-4114 FAX 585-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Underweight fjord
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It may help you can get by your feelings of anger and embarassment to know that you might have a very wonderful Fjord. She is out of a great stallion, Konggard, her dam is also out of a great stallion, Gromar, and a great dam line. Anne Appleby has very successfully shown in dressage and breeds for good movement. She owns Wez and Misha and has competed to very high levels in dressage with them. Misha her stallion that she is standing is a full brother to your mare's mom, Aura and Wez is out of the same dam as Aura. I would be thrilled to have a fjord with your fjord's breeding. If Ann raised her, she would have had a wonderful foundation. I am glad to hear that she now is in your hands and her trails are over. One of the fjords the judges liked (blue in confirmation and red in beginning english, if I remember correctly) in the evaluation in Wisconsin in 2004 was a rescue who was in terrible shape when the owner bought her - the mare was gorgeous, healthy, and moved nicely once she had spend time with her loving new owner. Her owner did a great job bringing her back and training her. I'll be curious to know what her training is like as those trainers sure advertised those fjords from Larry Wishart as being well trained. Good luck with bringing her back. This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Last month I wrote to all of you asking telling of my problem getting a horse I bought on Dreamhorse.com. -- Genie Dethloff and Finne Ann Arbor, Michigan
White markings
This message is from: "Norsk Wood Works" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This message is from Phillip Odden Thank You for 'hanging in there' regarding this white marking issue. For those who have one or two fjords with out a star and don't breed fjords it may be irrelevant. For those who do make baby fjords it is important to understand this issue. My purpose is to get the information about white markings out there. This is an issue of breed standards that doesn't require a trained eye to see. Where as understanding the subtle differences in croup shape or head proportions or a quality walk, trot or canter takes a trained eye, all of us can see a white star staring us in the face. In the end the Evaluation Committee will come to an understanding of the known information, we will make a recommendation of policy to the BOD and the BOD will make the decisions and policy. I know that there are several fjord owners out there who have a fjord with a white star. The truth be known that a list of fjords that carry the white star gene would include the Who's who in the North American fjord world. Put color of coat genetics aside for a moment. That is, for the most part, a separate issue. So if there is a pairing that results in a star then both parents carry the gene for white stars. If you have a horse from either of those two lines your horse carries the white star factor and all of that horse's sisters and brothers carry the factor as well. Even if they don't show a star. If you breed two horses that you know have the white star factor by evidence of white stars from other pairings, the resulting foal may or may not have a white star. If you pair two horses that exhibit a white star the foal may or may not exhibit a white star. The gene for white stars is recessive and can be carried hidden to pop-up now and then. Both parents need to have the white star factor in order for the foal to have a star. If a foal has a white star then both parents carry the factor. Please excuse me for being redundant. I am sure people have felt disappointed, ashamed, and confused when they find a wonderful new -born foal showing a white star. If you live in a glass house don't throw stones. Well everyone seems to agree that in mares a white star of a certain size is acceptable. ( this size needs to be determined in the NFHR, the Norwegians have now come up with a size of 2 inches in diameter ). So if you have a mare that is of breeding quality and she has a star you should feel comfortable in breeding the mare. You might want to try to find a line that does not carry the white factor but that may be difficult since that gene is carried hidden and stars may not have been reported and recorded. I suggest taking her to an evaluation to get the opinion of two sets of trained eyes. Your horse may have fabulous attributes or some faults that you should be aware of. At this point NFHR accepts stallions with white stars as I understand it. Though there seems to be a consensus in Norway and in FHI that white stars in Stallions should not be acceptable. If we continue to allow stars on mares but no stars on stallions we will always have white stars in the fjord population. That is Ok in my opinion since it seems they have always been there anyway. When it comes to the other white markings such as blazes, flesh colored skin, white socks and the like we have another problem. This one is not as easy to understand. Still these markings exist and we need to have a policy regarding them. It is thought that these markings may come from the crossing with the Dole horse over one hundred years ago. Interesting enough, I have heard that the long flowing forelock that many of us prize on our fjords is also evidence of that cross. If my stated facts or reasoning seem incorrect I welcome constructive questions and discussion. My entire report will be available at some point. Thank You, Phillip Odden
Re: White Stars on Stallions
This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ursula & Brian Jensen wrote: Dear list from Brian Jensen; If I remember correctly the CFHA Assoc. Breed Standard clearly states---NO WHITE MARKINGS!!! at all---ever--- Or else what? They won't register it? Lori
Underweight fjord
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Last month I wrote to all of you asking telling of my problem getting a horse I bought on Dreamhorse.com. She was finally delivered to me yesterday-and in terrible shape. She is very much underweight and in terrible need of good grooming. I have the vet coming out today to "read" her register chip to make sure I have the horse I thought I was buying. Her registry number with NFHR is ABA-K-1290-M. If anyone can tell me the best way to recondition her and begin her exercise program I would be grateful. Her name is Tyra. Her sire was Konggard and dam, Aura. She was bred by Anne B. Appleby of Olympia, WA. I bought her from Max and Katie Madsen of Cornelius, Ore, who were selling her for Larry Wishart. I have since called Larry and told him what neglected condition she was in. (She had not been in his possession for several months and he was not aware of it). So I have once again been duped by a horse trader. Aside from the personal anger for this person I also have a husband who thinks I am a fool. Seems I can't win in this situation. Oh well, please offer any suggestions on getting her back in shape and happy. Thanks to all.
Re: Families with children at Nova Scotia Beginner Driving Vacations & NOT JUST FOR BEGINNERS ANYMORE
This message is from: "Carol Riviore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia -- At Beaver Dam Farm, we've never had a"business plan". -- Things just evolve around here. -- For instance, in 1969, we moved the whole family (Arthur and I, and two boys) to France, and just happened to rent a house across from a very good riding school. This prompted me to begin riding seriously again, and it was through my (and one son's) activities at this school that we first became acquainted with Fjords. -- Then after ten years, we moved back to New England, and bought a farm, and acquired some horses (not Fjords). -- Soon after, we remembered the beautiful Fjords we'd seen in Alsace, and with the help of some European friends, we begam importing Fjords and breeding them. (sold the other horses, of course) -- Then we went on a vacation in Nova Scotia, fell in love with the place, and realized its tremendous potential for breeding horses (Fjords, of ourse.) -- And at the same time realized the farm we saw on that first trip with its hilly terrain and grasslands was ideal as a driving center, as well as for raising horses. -- And at the same time we were realizing all that we thought a new focus for us might be horse camps, perhaps for children, but more likely for adults. -- So a year after moving to Nova Scotia, we began our Nova Scotia Beginner Driving Vacations, and these were totally tailored for adults. -- But, then a few people asked if they could bring children . . . some to do the driving course, and others to ride, or be introduced to horses . . . And so it's gone over the years. Now it seems we've become a Family Vacation destination. In the last few years, we've had lots of families with children, and, much to our surprise, it's worked beautifully. Everybody enjoys the children, and they certainly enjoy themselves. It's a paradise for families. -- One things for very sure . . . . Our dog, Champ, is delighted when chidlren join the group. They play with him for hours on the lawn. One of our first families was the Sullivans --- Ann and Ed, and their daughters, Maggi and Bridget from CT. -- I believe the girls were 7 and 9 when they first started coming up. Maggi will be 13 this month, and next year will probably be an intern at BDF.-- Both Ann and Ed have done our Beginner Driving Vacation several times, and the girls have done a Riding Vacation under the tuteledge of our great summer staff. -- So, that brings me to the fact that our Nova Scotia Beginner Driving Vacations are NOT JUST FOR BEGINNERS ANYMORE! -- Ann Sullivan is no longer a beginner. -- She's out there competing her daughter's gorgeous mare, Riena, with the big guys, and doing extremely well. -- (Riena was purchased from Beaver Dam Farm. She's a Myrstein daughter, and was imported by BDF). We're not changing our focus away from beginners, but we want to welcome people who have been driving awhile, and want to learn and do more. -- We've got the trained horses to accomodate beginners and more advanced drivers. -- And, of course, we've got a wonderful facility that allows somewhat more advanced drivers to test their skills. -- A 100 x 40 meter grass dressage field -- Cones Course --- A couple of marathon obstacles, and the exciting McArthur's Park, which is a beautiful maze of driving trails through a lovely, natural park. -- We also have wonderful trails through the fields and woods. These winding trails do a lot to teach proper rein handling, as the reins and the driver's body position have to be adjusted going up and down hills and around bends. One more thing . . . . This season we'll have a newly built, proper Carriage & Harness House, which will also double as a classroom for our driving vacation guests. -- We're extremely excited about this. -- Our present tackroom is about 12 x 12 and manages to very neatly contain six harnesses, nine saddles, twelve bridles, and all the various other bits of tack, grooming and medical supplies. -- The new Carriage House will be paradise for everyone. --- We'll have our multiple reinboards set up there. Also, a video library, and washroom. The 2005 Driving Vacations are filling, but still lots more spots open. -- The Charming Cottage on the farm is, however, filling fast, but still a few weeks open. -- If you'd like to get started driving in the safest, most enjoyable way possible, then think about joining us this summer. -- If you have family members who aren't interested in horses, there's plenty to interest them in this area. -- Fabulous golf, lovely beaches (warm water), fantastic touring, gourmet restaurants, kayaking, hiking, and professional summer theatre every night. -- Also, of course, fishing and clamming. No licence required to fish in the ocean. -- Other licences easily purchased. Best Regards, Carol Rivoir
White spot - feeling humbled
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/6/2005 9:18:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you breed fjords and haven't had a foal with a white star be prepared to feel humble one day. This comment hit home :) I have had 6 foals born to one of my mares, and my stallion. This last one, was born with a tiny spot of white on her forehead. Small enough so only very observant people would notice it. This is the FIRST time out of SIX I've seen any white show up out of this pairing. Should I now NOT breed these two again? Aimee Day
Re: White Stars on Stallions
This message is from: "Ruth Bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>I heartily recommend that NFHR members make a trip to Norway to educate themselves and broaden their understandings of the Fjord Horse Internationally. If that were done some of these questions would be completely answered. Making decisions on poor or inadequate information is not an excuse to criticize or blame.>> Brian --- Perhaps I should put my budding interest in the NFHR machinery to rest ...if natural curiosity can be construed as "blame and criticism?" Inquiries into the complexities of NFHR corporation transactions have left with me two options... Catherine said for solutions "go to Florida"... now Brian says, "go to Norway"... as a mere member, I am not willing to "go the distance" for answers to my questions. Just when I thought the "double standard" issue had been laid to rest, by Registrar Mike, it resurfaces.. and whereas Brian states, "it has been done," is my curiosity too late? I would like to know, without air travel expenses, exactly what stated "compromise" has been, or will be, required of the NFHR standard, in order to conform to the FHI standard? and will the membership have opportunity to reconcile the two, and vote on whether or not they want to change standards? I know Brian stated that he "does not see a double standard," (NFHR/FHI) but I see double, because they differ. It's membership inconceivable and unacceptable that our customary standard be mysteriously whisked away without membership knowledge, consideration, or consent.. to be replaced by one that most of us haven't even heard of. Ruthie (untraveled and uninformed nw mt US
