2005 La Crosse Evaluation information
This message is from: "Syverson-Kerr, Linda L. DOC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This message is from Linda Syverson Kerr: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Group: Just an update on the La Crosse Evaluation packets. I just finished putting the last of the stamps on and put them in the mailbox. " They are in the mail." If you do not receive a packet by 5-30-05 and would like one please email me ASAP, no later then 6-3-05, as I will be out of state from 6-6-05 and not returning until 6-27-05. You can email me at the above my work or at my home at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The preliminary forms are due back to Mike May 6-20-05, w/ the 50.00 non refundable fee. Linda Syverson Kerr
Re: Offspring Do Count
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Sophie, Just for clarification purposes, this quote was from my post, and my name is Lynda Welch, and our farm name is Bailey's. In comparing the two systems, I simply pointed out the fact that in our system, a stallion's offspring conformation evaluation scores have no bearing whatsoever on the long term conformation evaluation scores and ribbon placement of the stallion, himself. Of course stallion owners want their stallions offspring evaluated, this makes sense! Many of us breeders offer or are beginning to offer to pay for a conformation evaluation for offspring. However, the point is that in our system, currently the offspring's scores, regardless if great or poor, do not affect the long term conformation score of the stallion. This is obviously due to the vastness of our country, and the evaluation system being fairly new in comparison to other systems. My comments were not meant to create a bickering match, just comparing systems. Obviously in Norway and I believe Holland, if a stallion's offspring are of poor quality, that stallion's breeding license is pulled. Here, even if a stallion does sire inferior offspring but he has received a blue in conformation, his blue is good for his lifetime and he can be advertised as a high ranking stallion that evaluated well. Lynda In a message dated 5/20/2005 6:42:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On digest #112 Nancy Bailey said " Our system places no value on the offspring, whatsoever." Thanks much, references are available. Lynda and Daniel Bailey's White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/index.html
Offspring Do Count
This message is from: "Green Valley Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On digest #112 Nancy Bailey said " Our system places no value on the offspring, whatsoever." I personally disagree. If stallion owners have their offspring evaluated it is a direct reflection of the quality of that stallion. Green Valley Farm encourages any one who breeds to our stallions to have the offspring evaluated by offering to pay part of the Evaluation fee. The evaluation process can only work if you bring your stallion and it's offspring to be evaluated! In most foreign countries if the stallion owner does not get a certain number of offspring to the evaluation process that stallion will lose it's breeding license. In America the NFHR can not require all stallions to be evaluated, nor can it require the offspring to be evaluated, nor can it take away the breeding license. In America you make the choice. Record Book I and Record Book II (which is going to the printer in a few days) are a documentary of the Evaluation Results. traace If you are interested in learning more about the NFHR Evaluation program, you should own a copy. You can order through the NFHR website. Sincerely, Sophie Fiedler Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 19:05:27 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: stallion evaluation in Norway (in 1980 and today)(very long) This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Birgit, Thank you so much for taking the time to explain in detail about this evaluation process. It is of great help to those of us who wish to compare the various systems, or to learn about the Norwegian system. It appears the biggest difference between the Norwegian and American evaluations has to do with offspring. Apparently, offspring are a major, if not most important, aspect of the Norwegian system. Our system places no value on the offspring, whatsoever. In fact, a stallion could be rated as the highest scoring stallion in America and hold a blue ribbon for the duration of his lifetime, but produce inferior offspring throughout. We Americans have certainly seen examples of this happening with other horse breeds, no doubt!
Re: Ole filly for sale
This message is from: "J&H Carlson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello list, my youngest Ole daughter, Kirsten, to turn 3 this June 15 is regretfully for sale. I cannot keep up with the needs of 3 fjords. I ride her mom all the time and old Thor (27) is showing no signs of slowing down. K is well built, lots of bone, but also moves out with wonderful extension. Loves to canter, swaps leads, jumps. All the groundwork has been laid for going either saddle or harness. Her mom has thrown a red dun baby and K has the same coloring as her mother Reterra's Evy, light brown dun w. reddish overcast. K is calm, smart and easy to train. She knows how to do all the stuff kids her age are sposed to know plus some. Imprinted. Handled daily. Loves people/kids. It is a reflection of her lines' trainability that her mom was a broodmare all her life, not broke to saddle until she was 9, and now rides with a loose neck rein on the trail, by herself, down the road, as if she'd been at it for years. 13.3, still growing, should mature 14H. Price $2000 ish, will have to go up when she starts training with Patti Jo in June. K is scheduled for 90 days under saddle w. Patti. I want to find a good home for my girl, but came across a middle aged gelding up for adoption (not thru our rescue group) that needs a good home too. http://classifieds.yahoo.com/detail.html?cc=pets&fullnodeid=750049678&cid=e3fd9a2696b48e038577534b8fe861fa Thanks, Hope
Re: weight
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > help. i tried the formula yesterday that i got from the list to determine > weight. it said to take girthxgirthxlength divided by 330. i must be doing > something wrong, since i come up with oz weighing under 800 lbs..nope, > not > right. I've played around with some of these formulas over the years. There are a lot of them, but it seems like each one of them uses a different version of "length". Probably the most common definition is the measurement from the point of shoulder joint to the point of rump. These are the sort of knobby points at the front and back "corners" of the animal's torso. Girth is heart-girth, taken just behind the withers and elbow. Based on the 3 Fjords that I've had, the last time I ran thru the calculations, I got the following. (Unfortunately, I do not have scale weights for any of these creatures.) Rom was 14.1hh, had heart girth 68" and body length 61". I "guess-timated" his weight at 950 lb; the Purina weight tape that I had said he was probably between 910 and 960 lb. The formula you were given would say 855 lb. (Other formulas I tried gave 940 and 990 lb.) Nansy was 14.2hh, girth 72", length 65". Guessed weight 1100 lb; Purina weight 1070--1130 lb; your formula 1021 lb; other formulas 1123 and 1173 lb. Sleepy was 14.3hh, girth 74", length 65". Guessed weight 1150 lb; Purina weight 1130--1190 lb; your formula 1079 lb; other formulas 1186 and 1236 lb. For purposes of assessing my feeding plan, I measure both heart girth and rib girth, in inches, every week (at the same time of day, and trying to get the animal in the same posture---usually while they're busy eating their breakfasts). I write it down on the calendar, so I can keep an eye on trends. There will be some random up/down between measurements (differences in when they drank or shat last, and tension levels), so don't take any single pair of measurements as a trend! Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
Introducing myself
This message is from: "Alan Bate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi everyone, I came across this list a few days ago while surfing the net for Fjord information. I have 3 of them. A grey gelding called Rickard, he is rising 4;a 10 month colt called Bifrost and an imported mare from Holland called Trijntje( stable name Honey) who is rising7. I'm hoping at some stage to breed a foal from Bifrost and Honey. Rickard is going to be my endurance horse. We live in South Yorkshire, England. It's nice to hear about other people's Fjords as there as not many in the UK. Jacqui
Re: Carol has another "senior moment"
This message is from: "Alan Bate" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Carol, I've just joined the network as I'm a fjord owner in the UK. I'm looking for a good breeding stallion. can you tell me more about BDF Malcolm Locke? His age, height etc. Any ideas how much he would cost? i know importing to the UK is about £3000, but maybe he would be worth it? Regards Jacqui > This message is from: "Carol Riviore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Nancy Roermer has recently put BDF Malcolm Locke up for sale. > Whoever the buyer is, that smart person will be getting a wonderful > breeding stallion. Before getting into Fjords, Nancy bred Morgans, > and she once told me that Malcolm has the "most beautiful head" of > any Morgan she'd ever seen, or for that matter, any horse she'd ever > seen.
Info about websites?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oops. The shortcut to the Norwegian Fjord directories is: http://dmoz.org/Sports/Equestrian/Breeds/Norwegian_Fjord/
Info about websites?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have the websites for Sherette's Greenacres at http://www.sherettefjords.com/ and for Old Hickory Farm at http://www.oldhickoryfarm.com/ been removed from the internet? Thanks for any info people can offer DeeAnna PS: I have recently been updating the Norwegian Fjord Breeders and Associations directories at http://dmoz.org/ If you have additions or corrections to these directories, please feel free to submit them at dmoz.org You can also ask me questions or submit additions & corrections directly to me by sending an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Requirements for getting a website listed in the Breeder category are as follows: The "Breeder" category is for farms, ranches, and other businesses that offer Norwegian Fjord stallion services, horses for sale, lessons and training, and related products and services. (Please note that I cannot list websites in the Breeder category that do not clearly offer Fjord-related services or products to the public. Personal websites or "photo album" websites unfortunately do not meet this requirement.) Websites in this category should have a strong, clear emphasis on the Norwegian Fjord Horse breed. If the primary focus of the website is something other than the Norwegian Fjord Horse, please submit the website to a more appropriate category. Although the primary purpose of websites in this category is business related, websites that also offer useful information about Fjords will be given top consideration. This information might include how you care for, feed, train, groom, breed, show, drive, ride, and use your Fjords. Websites with "For Sale", event, or other time-sensitive information should be kept reasonably up to date, or they will be deleted.
re:weight
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] help. i tried the formula yesterday that i got from the list to determine weight. it said to take girthxgirthxlength divided by 330. i must be doing something wrong, since i come up with oz weighing under 800 lbs..nope, not right. i did get a measurement, not by using the weight tape, which he was afraid of, but the tape i use for sewing. it's vinyl coated and didn't crinkle. i just held it bunched up in my hand while i was brushing him and it was no big deal. when i held it up to the weight tape, the weight tape wasn't long enough!!! what the heck? he's not THAT fat! any suggestions short of driving him to a feed mill and putting him on the scale? LOL laurie and oz, who is just covered in gnat bites in his groin and looks pretty miserable.
