Re:knee surgery
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/20/06 11:54:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I have a book to recommend: "Overcoming the Fear of Riding" by > Theresa Jordan and Peter De Michele. > genie, thanks for reminding me that i DO have that book somewhere in my collection. i will have to get it out again. i can read it these nights when sleep is impossible and i am up 3-4 times a night trying to get comfortable. laurie
Re: knee surgery
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/20/06 11:54:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > My trainer is working hard to help me mover past this, but I still can't > bring myself to get on bareback at all (I sustained the injury getting on > bareback). I view the plus side as getting to really focus on improving my > groundwork and our overall relationship > kate, i totally agree with that as the plus side. ok, if i don't ride, i will sure have a very well behaved boy out in the pasture. hope you are feeling better now. with an injury/surgery like this, i think the mental healing takes as much time if not more than the physical.. laurie
NAIS..again
This message is from: "Philis B. Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Listers, I hate to keep harping on this, but here is a link to some very important reading about the proposed NAIS program the USDA is implementing. I feel that it could change our lives like we will never know. And if it doesn't then the "sky really didn't fall in". But, if it does, it will be too late. "A friend of yours highly recommends you read this health article: http://www.mercola.com/display/router.aspx?docid=32628 This article comes from http://www.mercola.com, one of the Web's most visited and trusted health information sites." Philis Anderson Sawtooth Mountain Fjords Grand Marais, MN
Re: teaching young Fjords to come from behind
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Due to a super busy/stressfull work schedule lately, I have only been scanning this discussion as often as I can, but don't have the time read each post through...nor do I have time to delve into a lengthy reply. Hope I won't bore anyone too much w/ how I work w/ young horses except to say the handling I do is actually pretty minimal, but the day to day contact I do have when I interact w/ them is very consistant. When they go thru the shy pahse (some don't!) I simlpy crouch down or sit on a bucket and they eventually can't stand it and come over for a nose sniffing session, which soon turns into butt scratching, etc. and were friends. As they are out in pasture during the day and we have some funky russian olives that pass as trees here in Nevada, I don't leave halters on them, but I do start haltering them as 2-3 mo old foals. No big deal.I also teach them to back early on, just by slight on/off pressure @ the shoulder + a calm voice command, starting out w/ pretty good pressure and lessening to a light touch once they get it. As for leading, I do the butt rope thing w/ a soft coton rope, but I am very persistant at untracking their feet, not by pulling forward but shifting their balance side to side, and don't use a whip on them at all usually until they are acturally leading, then I use the whip as more of a directional aid, or wand,as in the Linda Tellington-Jones sense, who I wanted to bring up as having some good exercises, although I don't agree/see the sense in some of it, I like the wand exercises. I am all for horses learning their boundaries early on so I *try* not to hand feed, but they will go thru the nippies anyway, and I discipline them like I do dogs w/ a little uppercut under the jaw and a firm + growly 'quit' or 'hey' command' (NOT no!) ...So much that you do w/ horses is w/ body language + voice inflection, its not funny! Sorry for rambling on...Kmac Karen McCarthyGreat Basin Fjords :: Carson City, Nevadahttp://www.picturetrail.com/weegees
nervous foals
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For my first foal, a Morgan, I made a soft cloth halter with Velcro. It couldn't stand a lot of pulling, like you could not lead with it. It was just for the feeling of having a halter, and it was so soft it could be left on. If his foot had gotten caught in it, it would have pulled right apart. He was so delicate at first, I couldn't put a stiff leather or itchy nylon on him Regarding my giant 8 year old orphan foal - she got on the trailer today first try for our first trailering trail ride of the season. We loaded another horse. We had a nice hour's ride with 3 other horses. She did not kick anybody. She did not roll. She was forward and interesting without being scary. Life is good. Valerie
Re: teaching young Fjords to come from behind
This message is from: "Beaver Dam Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia . . . This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You stated, 'the way I choose to interpret "dressage" ... is the turning out of a well trained riding horse that exhibits characteristics that make him pleasurable and safe to ride'. That is actually the accepted definition of "pleasure riding". Why not be accurate and say that you start pleasure riding and pleasure driving horses? Most people who want Fjords actually want a pleasure horse. Why take over a name which indicates working and training at a different level altogether, when an accurate description already exists. Lori, I don't know why this bothers you so much. -- You tell me we should not use the word dressage. Why not? It's not a holy word! Maybe there's a culture barrier here because of the fact that I started my formal horse education while living ten years in France between 1969 and 1979., and in France there is only one way to ride or train a horse and it's called dressage. Meaning "to train" a horse. The French verb "dresser" means "to train", whether it's a horse, a dog, or a child. -- A child is either "bien dressee" or "mal dressee". -- Same with a horse, and the dog. -- It's accepted in the horse world that dressage training helps all horses, no matter what discipline the future holds. -- We once had an intern from Holland. Trea was a graduate of the very famous equestrian school at Deurne. She was a competitive dressage rider, and an accredited dressage judge. Her fiancee came from a family of Standardbred breeders who raced, and Trea rode those trotters giving them dressage training, the purpose of which was to make them better racehorses. - We train our horses to go forward from the hind end into the hand. -- We train them to stretch through the topline in order to be able to get their hindlegs more underneath. -- We train them to be flexible and supple. -- We work hard on rhythm and straightness. - We work with the horse to accept the bit and give to it. - Is that not dressage training ? -- We think it is. Lori said . . I'm just saying, don't call this "baby training" dressage.> Lori, of course this "baby training" isn't dressage. -- What I said was that this baby training done in the right way is the first "baby steps" to dressage training. At least it's our way of getting youngsters ready for their later training. -- It's hard to believe that a really young horse can be stiff in the hand, but we've found they can be. And this kind of training helps a lot. -- Personally, having a horse stiff in the neck and jaw is one thing I can't stand. It's very unpleasant whatever you're doing with the horse, leading, riding, or driving. Regards, Carol Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II, Ltd. Phone: 902-386-2304 Fax: 902-386-2149 URL: www.beaverdamfarm.com E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Raised by the Sea in Health and Tranquility" Visit our NEW Riding Vacation page on our website today! http://www.beaverdamfarm.com/pages/riding-vacation/index.html
Re: teaching young Fjords to come from behind
This message is from: "Beaver Dam Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia . . . This message is from: Starfire Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Carol and List, I am not trying to discount what you've said about training young horses on the lead line, however, when I read this little warning bells started going off in my head. Carol said . . . We teach the babies to come from behind and and at the same time, teach them to respect and REACT to the hand (leadline). Beth said . . . > but I worry that people might think that babies need to react immediately to the handlers cues..Babies and young horses need to have some more thinking and reaction time than mature horses. Carol says . . Sorry for the misunderstanding. I didn't mean REACT ! (I shouldn't have used caps) ---What I meant was more like . . ."reee . . . ct." - Beth said . . I am concerned about someone who has not had experience handling young horses reading this and thinking that it is not adequate that their youngsters follow them around happily and obediently on a lead rope. I envision people drilling and drilling their youngsters to "move energetically forward" and then yanking on them to achieve a "half halt" while still pulling them forward because they think its important that they keep them moving through all of this, confusing the poor horse! Then worrying that their babies don't move with enough collection! Oy vey> Carol says . . "oy vey" indeed! That would be awful, but I can't imagine people thinking I'm advocating "drilling" and "yanking" and "pulling". -- I'm not! I'm not! -- . . Carol says in relation to ground training . . .. We feel the basics are the same and the requirements are the same; ie, obedience, forwardness, suppleness, lightness (not heavy Beth says . . . This is true, however all of the obedience and lightness, etc. on the ground does not necessarily translate to the saddle with a young horse that is just being backed Carol says . . . In our experience, it helps quite a lot. .Carol said . . > What we do at Beaver Dam Farm with the youngsters is to handle them in such a way that we "imprint" them with these principles. -- Beth said . . . Okay, here is the semantics thing again. . . . Foals should naturally imprint their mothers' behavior. Carol says . . . Well, that can be a good thing or not depending on the mother -- We find that early handling is essential as foals can learn a lot of bad things from their mothers. For instance, one that has an alpha dam will imitate that. -- And another thing we find is that the mother's are terribly indulgent sometimes letting the foals mount them, kick, and bite them. -- This behavior has to be nipped in the bud at an early age by the trainer/owner. Beth said . . > I don't know Carol, I just can't seem to "get there" with this idea. I think that if you are talking about establishing respect and trust in the human's leadership, that will go a long way to helping with how a horse learns, in the long run. But I just can't see how you can use impulsion and half-halts with young horses on the ground (unless you are doing classical in-hand workwhich is not appropriate with young horses...they need to be allowed to mature mentally and physically prior to taking on the stress of classical in hand work) to get the true recycling of energy that achieves true self carriage and collection. Carol says . . . I agree with you . -- . -- True self carriage and collection comes YEARS later given the proper training over many years. -- But, what I'm talking about is baby steps -- the very beginnings of a horse's training. -- and yes, I am talking about respect and trust in the human's leadership. But also about encouraging (teaching) a horse to come from behind and listening to his handler, and being aware of the restraining influence of the hand, I think that can be done at an early age, and done without drilling. Just use the time when you normally handle your baby to train him just a little. That's all it's about. I don't believe anybody would interpret that as "drilling, "yanking", "pulling". Beth said . . . I, personally, am concerned (based upon what you said earlier in this post, Carol) that people will be thinking that their babies should be learning how to always move with impulsion, and yet with a hint of collection, while being led around the farm. Carol says . . . What we do is to encourage foreward movement. That's about it! We want to instill the idea that the horse should move forward when asked. -- As to "a hint of collection" . . Again, it's the words, and it seems, particularly any DRESSAGE words. -- In the dressage world (a place where I am not), Collection is the end result . . the . . .ultimate goal . . . the last step on the Training Scale, only achieved after years of dressage trainingg. - Couldn't agree more. -- What I'
FW: [RecreationalEquineDriving] Mad Cow Article
This message is from: "mom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> very interesting article! Subject: [RecreationalEquineDriving] Mad Cow Article An interesting article. http://proliberty.com/observer/20040301.htm YOU ARE THE BEST PROTECTION YOUR HORSE HAS! Say NO TO NAIS! YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "RecreationalEquineDriving" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
