RE: CDE Clinic Photos
This message is from: "Frederick J Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Dan and Solveig, I tried to view the pictures of the CDE clinic but the link: For More Photos of the Event Click Here.is not active...won't work. Darn! Glad everyone had a good time. We wish Lois' health would have let us come. Fred All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 Subject: CDE Clinic Photos This message is from: "Olivia Farm, Inc." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello from Olivia Farm, I wanted to let everyone know that we have updated our web-site, www.oliviafarm.com , to include a page of photos from the CDE clinic
Re: Cantering and Balance
This message is from: bolinsj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Our Kilar canters really well and balanced while put to, but when I ride he is heavy on the forehand and ackward. I think he is used to balancing himself and has trouble adjusting to a rider who canters rarely. He is quite heavy on the forehand if not 'asked' to collect and use his rear. Like many Fjords I have seen. Martie in MD jgayle wrote: > This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I have noticed Fjords canter quite well in the field with the herd or > alone. Isn't part of the problem their often heavy fronts? The more > athletic ones seem better at it. I had a little fellow that even the > trainer would try and try and if he did get into a canter it was > awkward and he fell more than once. It seems more likely a problem on > both sides, the rider's weight and balance and the horses balance??? > Jean Gayle
Icelandic Horses
This message is from: "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.eidfaxi.is/syrpur/index.php?s_syrpa=16 I looked at the icelandic site. Wow those are big guys on small horses! What surprised me was how far back on their backs the rider sits; it looks like they are behind the last rib where horses are usually weaker. Do the Icelandic's ribs go far back on their backs? But in a number of the photos I looked at, poor riding position might have been an issue too -- some of the riders were slumped over, looking down, sitting in a "chair" seat, pushing their heels up, etc.<<< The Icelanders are not so sophisticated in regard to horsemanship; being an island with limited outside contact, for centuries, they didn't have much opportunity for exposure to good horsemanship. A lot of what they do now is based on how it was always done, without substantiation in bio-mechanics. It's hard for them to change. The Icelandic Horses' ribs don't go that far back. The riders *are* sitting on the loins. Because they may not know how to get gait in a less intrusive manner, they sit on the loins or lean back to hollow the horse's back, therefore forcing gait on the horse. In cases like this, it can happen that a horse can compete in tolt yet not even be naturally gaited! The gait can come from the forced frame, the rider's weight in the wrong place, the weighted shoes and / or boots, the tight saddle placed too far back, and the heavy contact on a mouth that has a tight noseband restricting the breathing. This combination of pain and adrenaline may make the horse hot and go faster, which is what they seem to be looking for. Give one of these guys a Fjord and he'll probably make him tolt, too (or end up on the ground because the Fjord wouldn't allow it!). Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
kindness
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is a quick response to Fred and Ruthie: I am totally puzzled that after praising Ruthieâs stallion and praising she and her husband I got such (adjective) responses from Ruthie and Fred.End of comment On a much happier note: Both in the PNFPG newsletter and in the Fjord Herald there will be articles about the CDE Clinic recently held at Teddy Bear Fjords.You will all be amazed at the beautiful photography captured by Dan Watanabe of Olivia Farms. He took hundreds of pictures, dozens of each âWhipâ and cart or wagon.We are so pleased that Dan and Solveig moved to the Spokane area and count them as great assets to the Fjord community here and nationwide. Take care, warren
Re: Cantering and Balance
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have noticed Fjords canter quite well in the field with the herd or alone. Isn't part of the problem their often heavy fronts? The more athletic ones seem better at it. I had a little fellow that even the trainer would try and try and if he did get into a canter it was awkward and he fell more than once. It seems more likely a problem on both sides, the rider's weight and balance and the horses balance??? Jean Gayle Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
cantering
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know not everyone can do this. But my Fjord would not/could not canter when she first got here. She would trot her heart out but not be able to keep up with the other horses when they were running and playing. After about a month she learned to gallop and then to canter. The horses get to go into the 10 acre field/woods to play and run. Watching her gallop and canter towards me is a very impressive sight to say the least!! This has helped her learn how to canter, and sure made it easier for me. Shari
Wee horses
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 7/12/2006 12:19:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But in a number of the photos I looked at, poor riding position might have been an issue too -- some of the riders were slumped over, looking down, sitting in a "chair" seat, pushing their heels up, etc. DeeAnna Some are riding a fast tolt or flying pace. Having ridden both, on some of the horses there is no way to stay in a classic position. Not kidding, those animals are that fast!! Shari
CDE Clinic Photos
This message is from: "Olivia Farm, Inc." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello from Olivia Farm, I wanted to let everyone know that we have updated our web-site, www.oliviafarm.com, to include a page of photos from the CDE clinic, held July 8th and 9th at Teddy Bear Fjords. I hope that you all can take a minute to check them out. We selected a few photos from each stage: dressage, cones, and marathon, that we felt really illustrated what the whole weekend was about. Dan and I audited the clinic and felt that it was highly educational as well as really fun. Thanks to all the clinicians and our hosts, Warren and Silvia, for a fabulous weekend! Solveig Watanabe Olivia Farm www.oliviafarm.com
Fall Festival
This message is from: "Olivia Farm, Inc." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello from Olivia Farm, As some of you in our area are aware, Olivia Farm is going to host a Fall Fjord Festival at our farm in Ford, Washington (northwest of Spokane), September 30th. It is going to be an opportunity for people to come and learn about fjords, take some for a test-ride or drive, and look at quality sale horses. We have launched a web-site, www.fjords4sale.com, which serves as an on-line sales list, gives people more information, and directions to our place. The web-site can be updated often as the sales list changes. We are also advertising in the local papers and horse magazines. We have some breeders on board already, but there is room for many more! If you are interested in bringing sales horses, or just coming to hang-out, please send me an email - our philosophy is "the more, the merrier"! Solveig Watanabe Olivia Farm www.oliviafarm.com
Re: Genetics, a satire
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, while I own and enjoy my 4 fjords, I also breed AQHA reining horses. To clear things up, QH are not "inbred" based on what's popular. They have been bred for specialization, as the QH world is so competitive that there no longer is a true all around horse. While I am not condoning that as a valid excuse for "inbreeding/linebreeding" it is not about what is "popular" as much as it's about what is proven for the particular discipline being bred for. Just didn't want QH breeders getting a bad rap with Fjord breeders! `Nina
RE: Genetics, a satire
This message is from: "Frederick J Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dear Jean and list, I would remind you (and everyone else) that MY personal integrity, honesty, and values were attacked FIRST by an unnamed member. I responded with a satire trying to get a point across. No flames were sent. I didn't start it and am not about to sit idly by when attacked, ridiculed, and belittled. Perhaps you should direct your ire towards the "mentor" further to the East. Good luck. Numerous PRIVATE e-mails did absolutely not good. Fred All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Please have the courtesy to not attack members.
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This message is from: "Beth Pulsifer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> VERY GOOD POINT!!!
Re: Genetics, a satire
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Please have the courtesy to not attack members. This list is for information, camaraderie and Fford friendly people.. That is not too scientific but I am sure it makes its point. Steve, where are you? Jean Gayle Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
Re: Horse napping..
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ruthie, I have been told years ago that horses have a "knee lock" that protects them when snoozing? My Charley was missing his and would fall like a mighty oak at times. Jean Author 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
Horse napping..
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Had a lady ask me yesterday, "how can horses sleep standing up?" I thought it was an interesting question and did a quick search on it. Noticed one interesting comment opinion that single horses do not rest as well as those that have a buddy, because no sentinel. (hence, you need at least two =)) Anyhow, here's the article.. http://www.all-creatures.org/nyca/ch-art-2900.html Ruthie, nw mt US
Horses for sale -- discount prices
This message is from: "dfle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have several horses for sale -- gelding, fillies, and some young stock. Prices start at $1,200. I have a lovely pair of three-year old fillies that are broke to drive single and double -- priced at $6,500 for the team. Trained by an Amish trainer. More animals to go to the trainer shortly. If interested, more info is available upon request as well as photos. Located in mid-Missouri. Rosemary Fleharty Prairie Home, MO 660-841-9502 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent via the WebMail system at cmnt1.c-magic.com
RE: fjordhorse-digest V2006 #153
This message is from: "Casanova, Julie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all! The room I had available has been taken. Thank you to all who responded. Julie Casanova
Re: Warren
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry Ruthie, Genetics 101 is basically the same course as it was 50 years ago. THE WIDENING GAP in our perceptions may either be because I don't speak hieroglyphics, and you do = or, you missed my inference that it's YOU that needs updating, not science. Anyone who claims the Evaluation Committee is selectively weeding out the good genes from the bad genes DOES NOT have a clue, because genes are intertwined and cannot be separated.. I am surprised the EC does not disclaim your "help?" As far as your personal attack on our farm, we don't feel the necessity of defending our breeding program, it speaks for itself, and I have already made reference to our extended efforts for genetic diversity in the future, as you WELL KNOW! I could in turn aim sarcasm at yours, but choose maturity instead. Yes, I have spoken with many animal science university professors, dozens! (it's really very easy) .. They may not specifically address the Fjord breed, because there have been no genome studies done on the Fjord, but they can readily tell you that a purebred breed is spawned and sustained by INBREEDING, and that EXCESSIVE inbreeding comes through DIRECTIONAL SELECTION and a low ratio of studs to mares. "Inbreeding" in itself is not a dirty word.. it can enhance a breed even, set type, etc, but excessively done it is destructive to the ENTIRE gene pool eventually, and has negative physical ramifications. Without careful gene mapping, we can't detect or deter it. If you don't know anyone else who says we need more studs, than less, you're simply not looking or listening for truth! Produce the science!.. I sent evidence to the NFHR BOD last winter with a direct reference from the Norwegian Gene Bank, which I posted here also. I am disappointed that you have brought personal criticism, self-serving partisanship, and stale opinion, to an academic subject as important as the future welfare of the Fjord breed. Ruthie, nw mt US
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey there Ruthie, You are right about my need to more carefully quote you- so I will quote you verbatim. Ruthie writesââ¦.I dare say UPDATING has merit as I'm sure Genetics 101 has moved along since we were pups!â (Hey Ruthie, my mirror lies.I am still a young pup.)Sorry Ruthie, Genetics 101 is basically the same course as it was 50 years ago. For example the integral and differential calculus is just the same as Isaac Newtons first dissertation on that subject in 1650.It would be studied in any beginning course in genetics today at any modern university! Ruthie writes âThe Fresian hypothesis indicates three indisputable FACTS to me;â Ruthie, the main indisputable fact is that the Fresian breeders had been unwilling to cull out the undesirable genes from their breeding pool Now they are suffering from those bad decisions.They have serious problems and they want to sweep these problems under the rug (so to speak) or hide those bad genes by masking them (hopefully) with dominant healthy genes introduced by cross-breeding. You know Ruthie, Fjord people in the U.S. have an eval program to encourage, not demand, the weeding out of the poorer genes. Some breeders make use of the formal evaluations as a guideline.Others simply seek to make entirely their own decisions to breed only the better mares and stallions. Yet we will always have some with a mindset of wanting to breed horses with a lesser gene quality.They argue against Evals for emotional or economic reasons. Ruthie, you know I have several wonderful riding/driving geldings that are not fantastic phenotypes but I will keep them and love them and make good use of them. So I understand at least to some degree, how people can make emotional decisions about gelding a nice but not fantastic Fjord. You have made the decision to geld nearly a dozen colts rather than send more stallions out into the Fjord world.But you argue otherwise.You argue as if almost every colt should become a breeding stallion and no one stallion should have numerous progeny.If you really believed in genetic diversity would your nice stallion A2Z Thorson have 20 progeny by only 7 mares?Should his sire A2Z Thor have 22 progeny?Do you think it is wrong for the Fjord breed that his grand-sire, Gjest, has 92 progeny?Where is genetic diversity practiced in your own Fjord world? Ruthie writes ââ¦..As ANY animal science university professor will tell you . . .â Ruthie, you seem to imply you have literally spoken to dozens of animal science university professors about this genetic diversity topic.I have not, even though in our family we have 3 WSU grad veterinarians and two of them have taught at the WSU vet school.I ainât never had no university professor ever tell me Fjords are having trouble with their gene pool and/or the Fjord breed needs more stallions. Furthermore, I sold, several months ago, to a WSU animal science professor a Fjord mare. Yep, he paid a bundle for her and I have visited with he and his family 6-7 times since then and they are, of course, thrilled with such a kind, obedient and loving Fjord. (hmmm kind, obedient and loving -- a result of inbreeding) They even made a special trip to the Ride The West All Breed Expo to see more of our Fjords and relate their familyâs total happiness. So Ruthie, I have had no experience with anyone but you saying Fjords need more stallions.Even regarding the Friesian breed I have no information which tells me that the answer is simply MORE stallions.I know of no-one but you who has said: âthey scientifically KNOW that they need MORE stallions, not less.As ANY animal science university professor will tell you.â Ruthie, I ALWAYS enjoy your posts!!! Thank you, Warren in Spokane
