Re: Re: best of the best of stallions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, I apologise if my article came out twice. I still don't have this computer thing down altogether. I will write more about the stallion Misha at another time. Very interesting stories from so many people and yes I agree that stories about the mares would be important also. There was a fellow in Holland who was compiling a detailed history of the Dutch Warmblood blood lines and included all sorts of interesting details about many horses' particularities. This information is really important as certain blood lines pass certain things along. He carried much of the information in his head and was in the middle of putting it all down on paper when he unexpectedly passed away. As morbid as it is it is really great to get the stories out while we can. Anne
Re: best of the best of stallions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is some info. on the history of my cousins fjord breeding program at Entrance Ranch in Alberta , Canada. In 1965 Anne and her husband then, Rick Bronson, imported their first horses into Canada from Denmark. These included the Norwegian bred stallion, Stohlman and 4 Danish mares. They bred and trained these horses mostly for their own pleasure but sold some over the years. They were modest people and rarely advertized or tooted their own horn. Their reputation grew mostly through word of mouth and the horses they bred over the years were testament to the quality of their breeding program. Many prominant breeders in Canada and the US purchased their origional stock from Entrance Ranch.The ranch was located on the eastern slopes of the Rocky Mountains and my cousins spent many summers on pack trips in the mountains. The horse were perfectly suited for this. Stohlman colicked several years later and they replaced him with their home bred stallion, Per (by Stohlman out of Tosen). The next stallion they stood was Kinnickinnick who they acquired through a trade with another breeder in Saskatuan. KK, as he came to be known, was a very well put together stallion with stockier build and a beautiful head and wonderful disposition. His get can be found widely throughout Canada and the US and include the gelding Wez. As he aged he developed a stomach hernia and when it showed up on one of his offspring they decided to geld him. He lived on as a very able pack horse until 1998 when the effects of old age took their toll. While they still had Per, Anne and her first husband divorced and she later married a Norwegian man, Rocky Notnes. Together they continued the breeding business but on a more active level. They also started a commercial horse packing business using exclusively fjords. This was the first of such an outfit ever in this part of the country and most likely ever in the Northern Rockies. They catered mostly to artists, environmentalists and naturalists, often going for two or three weeks into the wilderness; sometimes more. . In time they restructured their trips to mostly carrying gear for hiking groups and cut down on their work load while still being able to go to the places they loved and be with the people they liked so much. In 1985 they invited me to go to Norway with them and to look for a new stallion for their breeding program. They were looking for good movement, conformation and temperament and respectable and unrelated bloodlines. It was then that they selected the stallion, Gromar. He placed third overall in quality for stallions that year. The judges placed him first by far for movement, legs and type but put him down for a slightly longer back. One other thing set him back in the testing. Three weeks prior he had gotten in with another stallion and had had one eye knocked out in the confrontation. As a result he was not fast in his trotting test. His bloodlines were respectable, including some famous Norwegian foundation stock (Torbjorn, Lidaren, Gramann, Jaerman, Goma and Valibu to name a few). Crossed with shorter coupled mares the long back would not (and was not) a problem. As for temperament he was a dear, gentle, good natured stallion to handle and at the same time a no nonsense herd boss. He ran with a herd or upwards of 20 mares on several hundred acres of ranch wilderness for 13 years. Not bad for a one eyed fellow. He sired upwards of 48 offspring while at the ranch. Many were destributed throughout Canada and the US. Some of his more well known git include Trinity Farms Sambar (Canada), Creekside Farm's Aura (US) and Creekside Farms Misha (US). Good movement, temperment and looks come through his offspring and the mares put a strong stamp on each cross as well. He stood at Entrance Ranch until the fall of 1997 at which point my cousins decided to quit the breeding business altogether. Being one of his most faithful fans I brought him to my farm in WA where he now lives a more pampered life at the ripe age of 18. When I went back to Norway in spring of 1999 I found that his previous owner and breeder was now one of the senior judges for fjords. When I introduced myself and told him about Gromar and showed him pictures he started to cry. What a testament. Anne Appleby
Re: best of the best of stallions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is some info. on the history of my cousins fjord breeding program at Entrance Ranch in Alberta , Canada. In 1965 Anne and her husband then, Rick Bronson, imported their first horses into Canada from Denmark. These included the Norwegian bred stallion, Stohlman and 4 Danish mares. They bred and trained these horses mostly for their own pleasure but sold some over the years. They were modest people and rarely advertized or tooted their own horn. Their reputation grew mostly through word of mouth and the horses they bred over the years were testament to the quality of their breeding program. Many prominant breeders in Canada and the US purchased their origional stock from Entrance Ranch.The ranch was located on the eastern slopes of the Rocky Mountains and my cousins spent many summers on pack trips in the mountains. The horse were perfectly suited for this. Stohlman colicked several years later and they replaced him with their home bred stallion, Per (by Stohlman out of Tosen). The next stallion they stood was Kinnickinnick who they acquired through a trade with another breeder in Saskatuan. KK,as he came to be known, was a very well put together stallion with stockier build and a beautiful head and wonderful disposition. His get can be found widely throughout Canada and the US and include the gelding Wez. As he aged he developed a stomach hernia and when it showed up on one of his offspring they decided to geld him. He lived on as a very able pack horse until 1998 when the effects of old age took their toll. While they still had Per, Anne and her first husband divorced and she later married a Norwegian man, Rocky Notnes. Together they continued the breeding business but on a more active level. They also started a commercial horse packing business using exclusively fjords. This was the first of such an outfit ever in this part of the country and most likely ever in the Northern Rockies. They catered mostly to artists, environmentalists and naturalists, often going for two or three weeks into the wilderness; sometimes more. . In time they restructured their trips to mostly carrying gear for hiking groups and cut down on their work load while still being able to go to the places they loved and be with the people they liked so much. In 1985 they invited me to go to Norway with them and to look for a new stallion for their breeding program. They were looking for good movement, conformation and temperament and respectable and unrelated bloodlines. It was then that they selected the stallion, Gromar. He placed third overall in quality for stallions that year. The judges placed him first by far for movement, legs and type but put him down for a slightly longer back. One other thing set him back in the testing. Three weeks prior he had gotten in with another stallion and had had one eye knocked out in the confrontation. As a result he was not fast in his trotting test. His bloodlines were respectable, including some famous Norwegian foundation stock (Torbjorn, Lidaren, Gramann, Jaerman, Goma and Valibu to name a few). Crossed with shorter coupled mares the long back would not (and was not) a problem. As for temperament he was a dear, gentle, good natured stallion to handle and at the same time a no nonsense herd boss. He ran with a herd or upwards of 20 mares on several hundred acres of ranch wilderness for 13 years. Not bad for a one eyed fellow. He sired upwards of 48 offspring while at the ranch. Many were destributed throughout Canada and the US. Some of his more well known git include Trinity Farms Sambar (Canada), Creekside Farm's Aura (US) and Creekside Farms Misha (US). Good movement, temperment and looks come through his offspring and the mares put a strong stamp on each cross as well. He stood at Entrance Ranch until the fall of 1997 at which point my cousins decided to quit the breeding business altogether. Being one of his most faithful fans I brought him to my farm in WA where he now lives a more pampered life at the ripe age of 18. When I went back to Norway in spring of 1999 I found that his previous owner and breeder was now one of the senior judges for fjords. When I introduced myself and told him about Gromar and showed him pictures he started to cry. What a testament. Anne Appleby
Re: best of the best of stallions
This message is from: Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Brian, Your response about the breeding stallions was perfect. Thank you. Pat Holland & (Howard & Sophie Fiedler of Green Valley Farm)
Re: best of the best of stallions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 09:40:53 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Hello Brian! >Welcome back, I hope all went well with your parents. Yes thank you; Mom and dad are doing well. Dad's five bypass surgery went much better this time than the first time 18 years ago. >I agree with you 100% about the evals. BUT, there is one slight concernhow objective >can evaluators be when looking at both sport and draft type? I know everyone will say >type is type, but is it possible the evaluator will subconsciously chose which one he/she >thinks is prettiest? I would hate to see us "breed out" the draft trait. I echo your sentiments Lynda. While I consider myself a champion for the importance of Evaluations, I am not so naive to think there will be no problems. When you hear comments to the effect of 'Due to this horse's body style, you will have to take him/her to an Evaluation in such-and-such part of the country to do well ', and, 'This horse should evaluate well because he/she is what everybody wants right now ", it sure makes you wonder. What happened to The Standard is the Standard is the Standard. ?? >Oh yes, and Brian, Mary the Shire is doing wonderfully well!. I remember from our telephone conversation that you rescued this sweet giant of a horse from a slaughterhouse death when it turns out there really was not much wrong with her (although it was reported she had numerous problems at the time). Thank you so much for being willing to give of your time and resources to help horses whose trust in their owners, the people they depended on to take care of them, has been betrayed. The Lord says He cares about the tiny little sparrow; You know He cares about Mary the Shire and the others. You have found a neat way to give back something to horses who give us so much. Thanks! Brian Jacobsen, DVM Norwegian Fjordhest Ranch Salisbury, North Carolina
Re: best of the best of stallions
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Brian! Welcome back, I hope all went well with your parents. I agree with you 100% about the evals. BUT, there is one slight concernhow objective can evaluators be when looking at both sport and draft type? I know everyone will say type is type, but is it possible the evaluator will subconsciously chose which one he/she thinks is prettiest? I would hate to see us "breed out" the draft trait. As for my comments on natural selection, I am just a little shocked at how easily people can discuss the slaughter of animals. There must be a better alternative. Oh yes, and Brian, Mary the Shire is doing wonderfully well! She is gaining weight, the farrier has actually found her good part of her hooves, and we have recently observed her galloping and cantering. She also absolutely adores the Fjords, and is making an awesome aunt. The vet is very excited about her comebackhe still says spring she will be 100% sound. Lynda Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI
