Re: Bloodlines, stallions, and mares
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 07:51 PM 2/19/99 -0500, you wrote: >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Hello all! > >Here comes another of those NOVICE questions. > >How can there be too many stallions? I can understand the desire to >avoid.what does Arthur and Carol call them"backyard stallions"? >However, if we are discussing good quality stallions, with positive showings, >evaluations, etc., I am afraid I do not yet see the problem. Well you have actually hit it on the head. There are not too many good quality stallions. Just to many so so stallions. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bloodlines, stallions, and mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello all! Here comes another of those NOVICE questions. How can there be too many stallions? I can understand the desire to avoid.what does Arthur and Carol call them"backyard stallions"? However, if we are discussing good quality stallions, with positive showings, evaluations, etc., I am afraid I do not yet see the problem. >From the pedigrees I have seen, sires are often times repeated. If there were more quality stallions for breeding, I would think this would slowly change. Eventually we would begin to see pedigrees without repeat names. Is this not the actual goal for the future of the Fjord horse? Lynda, temporarily from Texas
Re: Bloodlines, stallions, and mares
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 11:54 AM 2/19/99 -0600, you wrote: >This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I think in North America we will see far more problems in the future > of the breed resulting from too many stallions rather than too many > geldings. Here, with no process of stallion approval there will > always be plenty of stallions with both temperament and/or > conformation problems to choose from. Exactly the problem I see from here too Steve. Since the Fjord stallion is a rather easy stallion to keep compared with some other breeds people tend to keep stallions in tact just for convenience sake. From looking over the stallion breeding reports filed each year I would say that every one of the NFHR registered stallions is under used. Especially if you compare them to the use Carol says they get in Holland. There isn't a stallion breeding report filed that has more than 18-20 mares covered on it. Most have 2-3 actually. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bloodlines, stallions, and mares
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lynda-- Thursday, February 18, 1999, you wrote: > My question is simple; is this actually what is desired? It sounds > as if any stallion shows any undesirable behavior, he is gelded. > However, this undesirable behavior has certainly not been explored > and from my position, it appears that if these horses show any > high-spiritness, any proudness, any trainable problems concerning > handling, they are simply gelded as this avenue is certainly easier. I think in North America we will see far more problems in the future of the breed resulting from too many stallions rather than too many geldings. Here, with no process of stallion approval there will always be plenty of stallions with both temperament and/or conformation problems to choose from. -- Steve McIlree & Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA When I bestride him, I soar, I am a hawk...the basest horn of his hoof is more musical than the pipe of Hermes. --William Shakespeare(1564-1616)
Bloodlines, stallions, and mares
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello everyone again! I have been contemplating the comments made concerning bloodlines and stallions for a few days. I realize the Fjord is described a great deal as being docile, patient, an all-purpose horse, etc., but it almost sounds as if the desired characteristics are actually complete servitude with a total lack of spirit! This is my take, as a novice, on what I have been reading both online and off. My question is simple; is this actually what is desired? It sounds as if any stallion shows any undesirable behavior, he is gelded. However, this undesirable behavior has certainly not been explored and from my position, it appears that if these horses show any high-spiritness, any proudness, any trainable problems concerning handling, they are simply gelded as this avenue is certainly easier. What is the big problem with two handlers for halter showing? This is almost ludicrious, in my opinion. It has been theorized humans are born either extroverted or introverted. One would think animals are similar, all it takes is to observe herds, flocks, packs, etc., in the wild to see this. If this is indeed the case, what it sounds like is essentially happening is the strongest stallions are gelded due to people not wishing to deal with them. I am not in any way deploring the desire for good temperment. I am simply commenting on the fact that it appears people are expecting too much from these lovely horses. Is it possible that perhaps the horse needs a different owner/handler? Not every animal will react positively with every person. What about mares? If they show undesirable temperment but have good foals, are these mares no longer allowed to breed? What does one do with them as they age? As for the gelding in CA...It is obvious he is spoken highly of in many aspects, temperment, conformation, performance, movement, etc. Why was he gelded in the first place if he had all of these characteristics? For a novice buyer this is mind-boggling. Interestingly enough, everyone seems quite proud these horses are from Norway, and artifacts date back at least 2000 years ago. While these traits of docility and patience are certainly evident throughout early literature, it is also blatantly evident these horses were both independent and proud. To ride a stallion was an honor, for these animals were strong and high-spirited. Are people actually trying to remove these later traits? Lynda temporarily from Texas
