Re: Equine ID Brands
This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I do > however have a new Avid scanner that will not only > read the Avid chips but > will read the newer Destron chips. It will not read > the old Destron chips > - the say over 6-7 years old. They were a different > frequency than the > newer ones and can only be read with the Destron > scanner as far as I know. That would explain our problem. All the horses we have with Canadian/NFHR microchips are WELL over 6 or 7 years old. Plus the ones we microchipped would be over that age also and would have the old chips. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] At the time, I was measuring how many electrons were being transferred between Lars and me as I was brushing him. Required some wiring between us and an oscilloscope, etc. I wanted to know how badly I was getting shocked by the static electricity he was creating. Merek
Re: Equine ID Brands
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 08:04 AM 1/28/00 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Good one! However, I must say that I've had no luck with ANY American scanners being able to read the Canadian chips - not even the scanners touted as "universal" by their companies. ALSO, these so-called "universal" scanners cannot read the NFHR chips either - even though the company that makes the Registry chips claims they are compatible with all readers. Not so - the only thing that will read my NFHR chips is the NFHR scanner (DESTRON I believe). I don't understand why the reader won't read the Canadian chips Mary. They use the same Destron chip that we use. We have tried all the other scanners available out here - and the vets have had lots of them over the years - but none will read those chips. Same with the AVID chips - supposed to be "universal", but only AVID readers will scan them for sure. Ah, the world of technology! It isn't really the world of technology at work here as much as it is the world of Patents & Copywrites. The reason they different scanners can't read the other brands mostly have to do with patent infringements. I do however have a new Avid scanner that will not only read the Avid chips but will read the newer Destron chips. It will not read the old Destron chips - the say over 6-7 years old. They were a different frequency than the newer ones and can only be read with the Destron scanner as far as I know. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 09:49 AM 1/29/00 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I always meant to try to get Lar's chip to respond, but never get around to bringing the equipment to the stable in the summer. Last time I attached wires to Lars, the stable idiots thought I would electrocute him. Merek Well I haven't seen any scanners that require wires being attached to them yet! === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So if the scanners do not read all chips, how many scanners do the meat houses have? it might be possible that some day, some frenchman will be eating his chips and burger at a sidewalk bistro and find a microchip in his meatok, ok, i did'nt say that!!!
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I always meant to try to get Lar's chip to respond, but never get around to bringing the equipment to the stable in the summer. Last time I attached wires to Lars, the stable idiots thought I would electrocute him. Merek
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This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 06:06 PM 1/28/00 -0800, you wrote: it might be possible that some day, some frenchman will be eating his chips and burger at a sidewalk bistro and find a microchip in his meatok, ok, i did'nt say that!!! Good I hope he chokes on it!
Re: Equine ID Brands
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 07:32 PM 1/28/00 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] And what ARE those frequencies, in to energize and out to read? And at what power level for the energizing beam? Merek The current chips we use - the Destron one is a 400Khz chip. If I remember right the older ones were 125Khz. I don't know what the Avid ones are we don't use them. I have never seen any power levels listed either. Pretty low though I would say. the scanner runs on a 9V battery for a pretty long time so there isn't a lot of power there. The chip itself has no power source. It is a transponder. It has to be excited by an external source - the scanner in order to be read. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 11:52 AM 1/28/00 -0800, you wrote: So if the scanners do not read all chips, how many scanners do the meat houses have? Sounds pretty scary. Jean Don't know, I have never been in a meat house. But really Jean - How hard do you think they would try? Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 1/28/00 12:45:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << - the say over 6-7 years old. They were a different frequency than the newer ones and can only be read with the Destron scanner as far as I know. Mike >> And what ARE those frequencies, in to energize and out to read? And at what power level for the energizing beam? Merek
Re: Equine ID Brands
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 05:46 PM 1/27/00 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] But can the Canadian chips, like Lars has, be read out in America, or do they read 40% less here, like their money? Merek No Merek we take Canadian chips at par value here! ;-) Microchips that is anyway. I won't comment on any other type like poker or buffalo... The NFHR & the CFHA both use the Destron chip and therefore are readable & transferable between the countries. The Dutch chips are another matter though. They are using a different brand and are not readable by our scanners. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > But can the Canadian chips, like Lars has, be read > out in America, or do > they read 40% less here, like their money? Merek, Good one! However, I must say that I've had no luck with ANY American scanners being able to read the Canadian chips - not even the scanners touted as "universal" by their companies. ALSO, these so-called "universal" scanners cannot read the NFHR chips either - even though the company that makes the Registry chips claims they are compatible with all readers. Not so - the only thing that will read my NFHR chips is the NFHR scanner (DESTRON I believe). We have tried all the other scanners available out here - and the vets have had lots of them over the years - but none will read those chips. Same with the AVID chips - supposed to be "universal", but only AVID readers will scan them for sure. Ah, the world of technology! I just don't worry about it - I can tell which horse is which and so can anyone else who is around them for a day or so. Most experienced horse people notice that there is a difference between each of them right away. If they were stolen the chances of getting them back around here is pretty slim anyway. Haven't heard of any "horse rustlin'" since we've lived out here. There was a case of horse disappearance, but there was a nasty divorce involved - so you know what happened there. Another horse "disappeared" in cougar country last year - I suppose someday some hunter will find the skeleton. If you "scanned" that cougar, do you suppose his having eaten the microchip would make him "identifiable" as a horse? Just wondering. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So if the scanners do not read all chips, how many scanners do the meat houses have? Sounds pretty scary. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: "Sarah Vogeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This is the precise problem with microchips. Not all scanners read all microchips. It's a shame that a universal effort wasn't made when this technology became available. My Andalusian mare has two microchips in her neck, and I'm not sure why. When I inquired about it, I was told that perhaps the first one wasn't readable, so they put in another one! Scary! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA -- >From: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: >Subject: Re: Equine ID Brands >Date: Sat, Jan 29, 2000, 3:52 AM > > So if the scanners do not read all chips, how many scanners do the meat > houses have? Sounds pretty scary. Jean
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This message is from: Alison Barr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey, nobody knock the microchips. At least I know that the pony that I have IS Aaurun's Goldenrod It would really suck to find out in a few years that I was the proud owner of some aging cart pony and the one I had was owned by the original sellers. However, I do like the haflinger brand... that is one cool brand! I would have no objection to Fj parading that on his bum. Really attractive.
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sarah the beauty of micro chipping is that it proves it is your horse. Branding does not do that unless you develop your own brand along side the breed brand. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] But can the Canadian chips, like Lars has, be read out in America, or do they read 40% less here, like their money? Merek
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This message is from: "Meredith Sessoms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My Dorina is a double branded Dutch mare and I love her brands, esppecially the upside-down triangle with a 'D' in it. I like the fact that it is there. It makes me proud. It is an unmistakeable identifying mark should we ever get seperated unexpectedly (heaven forbid). However, I sure would hate to have that hot branding iron put on my bottom! The Trakehner brand is the most beautiful I've ever seen. >>><<< Meredith Sessoms >>><<< Soddy-Daisy. Tennessee. USA >>><<< Dorina & NFR Aagot
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This message is from: Mary Thurman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Sarah Vogeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Sarah Vogeley" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The mention of Fjords ending up in an auction leads > me to a question to > Fjord owners. Are brands a common practice in this > breed? Obviously, many > fjords can be verbally described almost exactly the > same. We use microchips out here - either NFHR ones, or the locally available "pet ID" chips that are easily read by the scanners at the stockyards hereabouts. Nearly all the stockyards and auction barns around here have AVID scanners, and use them regularly. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
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This message is from: "Sarah Vogeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My grey Andalusian mare has a freeze brand on her right hip, and I am hoping that it will be more aparent when she lightens, but it's doubtful!!! It's the coolest brand I've ever seen though; its a full moon with a river running through the bottom part, with a big M inside the moon. The brand is for Moonbrook Farm Andalusians. _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA -- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com >Subject: Re: Equine ID Brands >Date: Fri, Jan 28, 2000, 5:30 AM > > Freeze branding is easier on the horse than branding with a hot iron, but > unfortunately a freeze brand does not show up well on a light colored > horse.
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freeze branding is easier on the horse than branding with a hot iron, but unfortunately a freeze brand does not show up well on a light colored horse. Brian Jacobsen, DVM Norwegian Fjordhest Ranch Salisbury, North Carolina
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 07:58 AM 1/27/00 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: "Carl & Sarah Nagel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Comments guys? Sarah Nagel in Northern You pretty much said it all Sarah. And very well too. Thanks Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Good point Sarah about branding. Micro chipping seems the way to go altho some people still feel a brand boosts the value of some breeds. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> listers, i hear freeze branding does'nt hurt as much as the traditional fire branding. they do it to all the blm horses they round up all the time. it is much like a blister burn and then scabs and leaves the scar. i know from personal experience, that freezing moles and skin tags off at the doctor's office is'nt too bad, just a little sore afterwards. smoking hair and flesh does stink. not at all like a nice big rib-eye.!!! denise
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 11:18 AM 1/27/00 +0800, you wrote: Yes, I believe that microchipping is an excellent form of identification. The problem with it, however, is that though we would like to assume that stockyards and other types of equine sales events scan necks to see if they are microchipped, most do not. In the case of a stolen horse, it might never be checked for a microchip before it is long gone... As much as branding isn't my top choice for identifying equines, it is the one that will most likely be seen and noted as a means for quick/easy identification of an equine. Your right the brand is more easily seen for sure. But who is it registered with? The same problem exists with any ID means. I can't imagine how any of these places could ever begin to check ever horse even if they wanted to. They would have to call a lot of places to get the answers for sure. === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 11:01 AM 1/27/00 -0500, you wrote: Our Dutch Fjords are all branded on their left hip with a coded representation of their registration number. After they pass the evaluation at 3 and are approved for breeding they get another brand on their right hip, which is the year of their birth (first letter of their name) in an upside down triangle. But I understand Holland stopped doing this when they became part of the EU. I think the "R" year (1996) was the last year they did branding. I am pretty sure it was 96 too Lori. Now they use microchips, which are inserted into the neck and require a special scanner to read. Somehow, that gives me the willies, although Mike May pointed out that the smell of burning flesh is none too pleasant either. If I was actually present at a branding I probably wouldn't like it one bit, although I do like the visual identification w/ reg. number. The Canadian Fjord registry requires microchips and in the NFHR it is optional, although I think you need it to attend an evaluation. You are correct it is a requirement for a horse that is going to be evaluated. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Sarah Vogeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yes, I believe that microchipping is an excellent form of identification. The problem with it, however, is that though we would like to assume that stockyards and other types of equine sales events scan necks to see if they are microchipped, most do not. In the case of a stolen horse, it might never be checked for a microchip before it is long gone... As much as branding isn't my top choice for identifying equines, it is the one that will most likely be seen and noted as a means for quick/easy identification of an equine. _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
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This message is from: Lori Albrough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sarah Vogeley wrote: > The mention of Fjords ending up in an auction leads me to a question to > Fjord owners. Are brands a common practice in this breed? Our Dutch Fjords are all branded on their left hip with a coded representation of their registration number. After they pass the evaluation at 3 and are approved for breeding they get another brand on their right hip, which is the year of their birth (first letter of their name) in an upside down triangle. But I understand Holland stopped doing this when they became part of the EU. I think the "R" year (1996) was the last year they did branding. Now they use microchips, which are inserted into the neck and require a special scanner to read. Somehow, that gives me the willies, although Mike May pointed out that the smell of burning flesh is none too pleasant either. If I was actually present at a branding I probably wouldn't like it one bit, although I do like the visual identification w/ reg. number. The Canadian Fjord registry requires microchips and in the NFHR it is optional, although I think you need it to attend an evaluation. Lori A.
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This message is from: "Carl & Sarah Nagel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Sarah! I don't believe (others, confirm please!) that brands are used here in the US for identification purposes in our Fjords. Our beautiful Jonetta and her team mate Jensina both had tatoos under their upper lips for identification. These were barely recognizable after 25 years! LOL But they each definately had a big blue smear that said "something"! One Vet said he could read it. My mares, Ori and Lara have "microchip" identification inserted in their necks (on the side, per NFHR placement guidelines). I believe most folks are using the microchip technology for identificaton purposes. The microchip is only $20 from NFHR and you can have your vet insert the chip when they are coming out on a farm call for other purposes. We have one waiting on the shelf for our Sonny Boy ... he will get it implanted next vet call. the hair grows back and you never know it's there. Comments guys? Sarah Nagel in Northern Idaho -Original Message- From: Sarah Vogeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Fjord List Date: Thursday, January 27, 2000 7:54 AM Subject: Equine ID Brands >This message is from: "Sarah Vogeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >The mention of Fjords ending up in an auction leads me to a question to >Fjord owners. Are brands a common practice in this breed? Obviously, many >fjords can be verbally described almost exactly the same. What measures are >taken to ensure proper identification? If brands are used, what type of >metal is used to make the brand itself? If anyone on the list commonly >brands their equines, I would like to hear more about the >process/materials/hazards, etc. > >Thanks so much! > >_ > >Sarah Vogeley >New Forest Farm >Charlottesville, VA >
Equine ID Brands
This message is from: "Sarah Vogeley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The mention of Fjords ending up in an auction leads me to a question to Fjord owners. Are brands a common practice in this breed? Obviously, many fjords can be verbally described almost exactly the same. What measures are taken to ensure proper identification? If brands are used, what type of metal is used to make the brand itself? If anyone on the list commonly brands their equines, I would like to hear more about the process/materials/hazards, etc. Thanks so much! _ Sarah Vogeley New Forest Farm Charlottesville, VA
