Re: Farriery
This message is from: jen frame Hi Melissa! I tried to write you back yesterday, but I don't think it went through, so here goes again; congrats on getting a Fjord!! You must be so excited! Feel free to call me at (903) 567-6285 if you have questions you want to discuss. Jen in Canton--which is about 2 hours from Fort worth On 1/19/09, Melissa in Fort Worth Tx wrote: > > This message is from: Melissa in Fort Worth Tx > > Jen where are you in TX? I am getting a fjord next month...have questions > if > you do not mind. > Melisssa in Fort Worth TX > > > From: jen frame > > To: > fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:17:15 PM > Subject: Re: Farriery > > > This message is from: jen frame > > Hi Liz, I am no expert at all--just a Fjord owner, and I have started > trimming > the hooves of my own herd recently.So, these are just my > observations, please > don't take anything I say as gospel! > > > Many of the fjords that I have seen > tend to be a little higher in the croup > than they are in the withers, which > makes them even heavier on the front end > than a horse usually is (all horses > carry more weight on their front legs > than the hind, unless being ridden > dressage and are asked by the rider to > shift their center of gravity back > toward the rear of their body). > So right there, if your 3 work horses are > slightly higher in the croup, it > will load up the front end and make them more > stumbely. My advice (and > remember I am no expert) is to take the shoes off, > and lower the heels of > all 4 feet. The heels can be safely lowered to the > level of the seats of > corn. A high heal puts more weight on the toe, a lower > heal helps shift the > weight back. It is simple to do, the horses will be much > happier, and you > can see immediately if it works. > Please keep us posted! > Jen > (in Texas who just came in from trimming the hooves of Splendora the > Fjord who > munched on hay while she had her mani-pedi !) > > On 1/17/09, plumg...@pon.net > wrote: > > > > This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" > > > > > The key is the toes. Removing the shoes is likely to > help if you keep the > > toes back, either by wear or more frequent trimming. > You can buy the DVD by > > the American presenter. www.missionfarrierschool.com > > > > > > > > > > --- Original Message --- > > From: Danilo and Liz > Ostacchini[mailto:daniloand...@hotmail.com] > > Sent: 1/17/2009 12:52:42 PM > > To : fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > > Cc : > > Subject : RE: Farriery > > > > This message is from: Danilo and Liz Ostacchini < > > > daniloand...@hotmail.com> > > > > Hi > > > > My three in work are > > having variable > problems with stumbling. > > > > Liz > > in a windy Southern England. > > > _ > > Choose the > perfect PC or mobile phone for you > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/ > > > > Important FjordHorse List > Links: > > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > > FH-L Archives: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > > > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > > Subscription Management: > http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Farriery
This message is from: "Dave McWethy" Hi Karen Loose ends - let's talk on the phone. Please tell us what Dave's comments are. Would be nice to know. Dave Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Farriery
This message is from: Melissa in Fort Worth Tx Jen where are you in TX? I am getting a fjord next month...have questions if you do not mind. Melisssa in Fort Worth TX From: jen frame To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 3:17:15 PM Subject: Re: Farriery This message is from: jen frame Hi Liz, I am no expert at all--just a Fjord owner, and I have started trimming the hooves of my own herd recently.So, these are just my observations, please don't take anything I say as gospel! Many of the fjords that I have seen tend to be a little higher in the croup than they are in the withers, which makes them even heavier on the front end than a horse usually is (all horses carry more weight on their front legs than the hind, unless being ridden dressage and are asked by the rider to shift their center of gravity back toward the rear of their body). So right there, if your 3 work horses are slightly higher in the croup, it will load up the front end and make them more stumbely. My advice (and remember I am no expert) is to take the shoes off, and lower the heels of all 4 feet. The heels can be safely lowered to the level of the seats of corn. A high heal puts more weight on the toe, a lower heal helps shift the weight back. It is simple to do, the horses will be much happier, and you can see immediately if it works. Please keep us posted! Jen (in Texas who just came in from trimming the hooves of Splendora the Fjord who munched on hay while she had her mani-pedi !) On 1/17/09, plumg...@pon.net wrote: > > This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" > > The key is the toes. Removing the shoes is likely to help if you keep the > toes back, either by wear or more frequent trimming. You can buy the DVD by > the American presenter. www.missionfarrierschool.com > > > > > --- Original Message --- > From : Danilo and Liz Ostacchini[mailto:daniloand...@hotmail.com] > Sent : 1/17/2009 12:52:42 PM > To : fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Cc : > Subject : RE: Farriery > > This message is from: Danilo and Liz Ostacchini < > daniloand...@hotmail.com> > > Hi > > My three in work are > having variable problems with stumbling. > > Liz > in a windy Southern England. > _ > Choose the perfect PC or mobile phone for you > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/ > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Farriery
This message is from: jen frame Hi there! I have researched many of the Natural Trimmers and there are a bunch I do not like, and very few that I do like. I am trimming in a style that is similar to, but not the same as, Pete Ramey. And I am lucky enough to be coached by Kirt Lander, the man who makes the Renegade hoof boots. So I am very happy with what I am doing. Sorry if y'all were challenged by what I said about the heel--if it scares you, or goes against what you want to do, then just don't do it!My last suggestion is to research what Gene Ovnicek means by "leave the heels alone". Leave them alone no matter how pathalogical they are? Or, leave them alone AFTER they have been properly trimmed in a 'set-up' trim the first time you are transitioning from shoes to barefoot? Leave them alone if your horse walks on terrain in which they can self trim? Or leave them alone even if they grow long and develop quarter cracks and risk tearing the heel off? It is ridiculous to make one statement like "leave the heels alone" and expect it to work for all horses in all situations. Think it through and decide if it makes sense to you. I don't need any answers to the above questions, I am asking hypothetically, and for the sake of your horses Jen On 1/18/09, Karen McCarthy wrote: > > This message is from: Karen McCarthy > > Jen, > You just might want to check out this website: missionfarrierschool.com > Mark Plumlee, the head of this school did an excellent presentation on > natural > Balance shoeing/trimming at the NFHR Annual meeting yesterday. There is > also a > clip to an excerpt of his current DVD, > let us know what you think... > > > :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: > > > > > http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees > > > > > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:43:39 -0600 > > Subject: Re: Re: Farriery > > From: jenfra...@gmail.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Farriery
This message is from: Karen McCarthy Jen, You just might want to check out this website: missionfarrierschool.com Mark Plumlee, the head of this school did an excellent presentation on natural Balance shoeing/trimming at the NFHR Annual meeting yesterday. There is also a clip to an excerpt of his current DVD, which Gail Russell was very kind to lend me - my partner Dave, a farrier, is going to view it soon. Kinda like preaching to the choir for Dave though :~)) as it just mostly reaffirms what he already practices. This link that Mark Plumlee provides on his site is also an excellent resource. It is Gene Ovnicek's website which goes into extreme detail and really, IMO, makes a totally sound argument for leaving the heels alone and allowing a breakover point behind the toe. http://www.hopeforsoundness.com/natbalance/nbtrim.html let us know what you think... :: Karen McCarthy :: Great Basin Fjords :: Madras, Oregon :: http://www.picturetrail.com/weegees > Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:43:39 -0600 > Subject: Re: Re: Farriery > From: jenfra...@gmail.com > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > > This message is from: jen frame > > Well there you have it: totally contradictory information from 2 different > horse owners. I firmly believe it is the opposite Gail: trim the heel to the > wild horse model (i.e. level with the sole) and the toe will take care of > itself!So, this shows that the woman who posted the original question is > going to have to do her own research! > Jen > > On 1/18/09, plumg...@pon.net wrote: > > > > This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" > > > > Take care in cutting down the heel. My somewhat dim understanding is that > > the heels will start to take care of themselves if you take care of the > > toe. We had our vet (who had also been to a horse shoeing school) trim two > > of our horses for a year. One had heel problems, but she did not want to do > > much at all to the heel. > > > > Gail > > > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Re: Farriery
This message is from: jen frame Well there you have it: totally contradictory information from 2 different horse owners. I firmly believe it is the opposite Gail: trim the heel to the wild horse model (i.e. level with the sole) and the toe will take care of itself!So, this shows that the woman who posted the original question is going to have to do her own research! Jen On 1/18/09, plumg...@pon.net wrote: > > This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" > > Take care in cutting down the heel. My somewhat dim understanding is that > the heels will start to take care of themselves if you take care of the > toe. We had our vet (who had also been to a horse shoeing school) trim two > of our horses for a year. One had heel problems, but she did not want to do > much at all to the heel. > > Gail > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Re: Farriery
This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" Take care in cutting down the heel. My somewhat dim understanding is that the heels will start to take care of themselves if you take care of the toe. We had our vet (who had also been to a horse shoeing school) trim two of our horses for a year. One had heel problems, but she did not want to do much at all to the heel. Gail Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Farriery
This message is from: jen frame Hi Liz, I am no expert at all--just a Fjord owner, and I have started trimming the hooves of my own herd recently.So, these are just my observations, please don't take anything I say as gospel! Many of the fjords that I have seen tend to be a little higher in the croup than they are in the withers, which makes them even heavier on the front end than a horse usually is (all horses carry more weight on their front legs than the hind, unless being ridden dressage and are asked by the rider to shift their center of gravity back toward the rear of their body). So right there, if your 3 work horses are slightly higher in the croup, it will load up the front end and make them more stumbely. My advice (and remember I am no expert) is to take the shoes off, and lower the heels of all 4 feet. The heels can be safely lowered to the level of the seats of corn. A high heal puts more weight on the toe, a lower heal helps shift the weight back. It is simple to do, the horses will be much happier, and you can see immediately if it works. Please keep us posted! Jen (in Texas who just came in from trimming the hooves of Splendora the Fjord who munched on hay while she had her mani-pedi !) On 1/17/09, plumg...@pon.net wrote: > > This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" > > The key is the toes. Removing the shoes is likely to help if you keep the > toes back, either by wear or more frequent trimming. You can buy the DVD by > the American presenter. www.missionfarrierschool.com > > > > > --- Original Message --- > From: Danilo and Liz Ostacchini[mailto:daniloand...@hotmail.com] > Sent: 1/17/2009 12:52:42 PM > To : fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Cc : > Subject : RE: Farriery > > This message is from: Danilo and Liz Ostacchini < > daniloand...@hotmail.com> > > Hi > > My three in work are > having variable problems with stumbling. > > Liz > in a windy Southern England. > _ > Choose the perfect PC or mobile phone for you > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/ > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Farriery
This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" The key is the toes. Removing the shoes is likely to help if you keep the toes back, either by wear or more frequent trimming. You can buy the DVD by the American presenter. www.missionfarrierschool.com --- Original Message --- >From: Danilo and Liz Ostacchini[mailto:daniloand...@hotmail.com] Sent: 1/17/2009 12:52:42 PM To : fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Cc : Subject : RE: Farriery This message is from: Danilo and Liz Ostacchini Hi I have five fjords, 3 in work, a broodmare and a colt. My three in work are having variable problems with stumbling. Fjords in the UK are not the norm. Is it all possible that the problems arise by incorect farriery ( all wear front shoes only). Is there a fjord specific corect way of trimming their feet? Im thinking of going barefoot with two in the hope that they will wear their feet correctly themselves. I saw that the American seminar session on feet was today. If any one has a fact sheet they might share with me Id be realy interested. Thanks guys Liz in a windy Southern England. _ Choose the perfect PC or mobile phone for you http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Farriery
This message is from: Danilo and Liz Ostacchini Hi I have five fjords, 3 in work, a broodmare and a colt. My three in work are having variable problems with stumbling. Fjords in the UK are not the norm. Is it all possible that the problems arise by incorect farriery ( all wear front shoes only). Is there a fjord specific corect way of trimming their feet? Im thinking of going barefoot with two in the hope that they will wear their feet correctly themselves. I saw that the American seminar session on feet was today. If any one has a fact sheet they might share with me Id be realy interested. Thanks guys Liz in a windy Southern England. _ Choose the perfect PC or mobile phone for you http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/130777504/direct/01/ Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Cold feet farriery
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Jean, all Was talking to my farrier about your problems. He said he was told in farrier school (in California*) to use a gas torch to warm the feet. Practical? I would be worried about an overzealous farrier frying their feet. >Now if I could only get my Farrier out to put those borium shoes on the >boys..Does your Farrier work on their feet in -20 degrees Vivian? or do >you have a heated barn so their feet get warm? My farrier won't work on >their feet when it is colder than +10 or so as their hooves will split. >But their feet son't grow much at all here in the cold part of the winter. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Clicker List Web Site : http://clickryder.cjb.net
