Re: Hello from Denmark

[BaileysFjords]

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Hello Birgit,
 
Thank you for your wonderful post!  It is really very helpful to hear  the 
insight from someone who understands the system so thoroughly, plus has  access 
to all of the old documentation!
 
Could you clarify as to what you mean by ranked in quality?
 
Is it also correct to say that at the time of this ranking, the 4 year old  
stallions, regardless of quality, could not receive a higher than 3 pr.?   Is 
this due to the need to evaluate their offspring or to re-evaluate the  
stallions themselves once more mature?  I just want to make sure I  completely 
understand your post.  :)  
 
I take it a stallion does not need to rank in quality to be issued a  
breeding license?
 
I think some of the confusion lies in the fact that we give ribbons versus  
just scores plus we do not have a system to where the stallions are brought 
back  to be awarded licenses.  Because of this, I imagine it is really easy for 
 
us as Americans to assume a 3 pr. is similar to a yellow ribbon here, or a 2 
pr.  a red ribbon, or a 1 pr. a blue ribbon.  It sounds like the only way we 
can  do such a comparison is with a stallion from Norway that has gone through 
the  entire Norwegian evaluation system.  However, even that might not be a 
fair  comparison for if I remember correctly, Norway has a system in place to 
evaluate  the offspring of the stallion, yes?  So if the stallion does not 
produce  quality offspring his license is eventually revoked? 
 
For us, a stallion will always retain a blue regardless of offspring  
produced.  
 
Birgit, I would appreciate any clarification you can offer.  Thanks so  much 
for your post, it was really helpful!
 
Lynda
 
Thanks much,  references are available. 

Lynda and Daniel
Bailey's 
White Cloud,  MI
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Hello from Denmark

[Birgit Mortensen]

This message is from: Birgit Mortensen [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hello list,

In Fjordhorse-Digest no 104 Lynda is writing: Does Anyone have a hard
copy of Norway's stud book. I do, but I have something, which I think
is better.

I am the lucky owner of a lot of old Norwegian magazines, among them
no 2 from 1980 with an article about the stallion evaluation. About
the 3 years old it is told that nine of them was ranked in quality,
and their trotting-time is mentioned too:

Quality Name Trotting-time

And 3. pr.

no 1Pedro N 1837 2.46,8

no 2Soelvgraaen N 1840   3.15,7

no 3Breimning N 1838 2.46,8

no 4Hovdaren N 1835  2.45,9

no 5Brynte N 18412.57,6

no 6Soelvar-Aal N 1850   2.46,1

no 7Bestmin N 1834   2.50,0

no 8Fjellvind N 1844 2.58,5

no 9Ljosen N 18483.03,2


Not ranked in quality (mentioned in cataloque-order)

3. pr.  Norddal N 1836   2.51,6

3. pr.  Hildring N 1839  2.50,4

3. pr.  Dragulv N 1842   2.46,0

3. pr.  Ernarson N 1843  3.11,3

3. pr.  Staalgraaen N 1845   3.26,4

3. pr.  Gjest N 1846 2.40,4

3. pr.  Kvaring N 1847   2.42,4

3. pr.  Solar N 1849 3.09,8

3. pr.  Trajan N 18512.31,1



You can read about the 1981 stallion-evaluation in Fjordhesten no 2,
1981.

Now the abovementioned stallions was 4 years old and had to be
evaluated in class 2, which as far as I know at that time most of all
was a class, where you choose to take your 4 and 5 year old horses,
either to have them licensed for the first time or hoping to sell
them, because they could still not be evaluated higher than 3. pr. at
that time. Therefore it was a small class.

None of the five attending was ranked in quality, when the evaluation
results were published:


3. pr.  Hyar N 1827  2.47,8

3. pr.  Staalgraaen N 1845   no trotting-time is
mentioned

3. pr.  Gjest N 1846 2.39,7

3. pr.  Hjallar N 1855   2.56,4

licensed
for 3 years:Myrmann N 1856   2.26,9


The in 1980 ranked stallions Hovdaren and Bestmin was later sold to
Denmark. Hovdaren have produced many beautiful mares here. Bestmin was
close to a disaster, when it came to offspring. 16 daughters have been
evaluated, only one in I class, four in II class A and 11 in II class
B (which nobody aim at). The not ranked Trajan was also sold to
Denmark, where he had better breeding results than Bestmin, but not as
good as Hovdaren. So ranking a young stallion is not always the truth.

Some years ago the trotting-test in Norway was replaced by the
loose-showing in the riding hall, I think mainly because the
competition about getting the fastest time in the trotting test
spoiled the trot-rhythm for a lot of the stallions.

Hope this will help to clarify the situation

Best regards from Denmark
Birgit

P.S.

So many things to read after some windy, wet and cold days in Norway.

As far as I remember it was stated some Digest-numbers ago that Tor
Nestaas had evaluated Gjest in the states. But he must have been
mistaken for somebody else. Tor declares that he regrettably has never
set foot in NA!