Re: I'm offended
This message is from: "Warren Stockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sounds like your dad was some Kinda guy. The farmer/ the hunter has respect for the animals and respect for what they offered the family. Your father differs greatly from the slaughter info. that I have personally discovered in my search to authenticate what I was hearing /reading I did go to the source people I know in the business. Respectable folks like your dad. The urgency of the current situation makes people crazy and we don't always think through what we say. " A wise man thinks twice before he speaks once" I try to live by that rule I learned in 3rd grade. Sorry to say I am not their now, life is much more complicated as an adult. I have always enjoyed reading your posts. Please don't leave I for one realize your dad couldn't be anything like I discovered. I assume he was as you said a good man. Roberta - Original Message - From: "Andy Mayberry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 11:12 PM Subject: I'm offended > This message is from: "Andy Mayberry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hey all, Lynda C. Welch wrote: > > = > If Steve and everyone else would prefer we keep the topic of slaughter off > of this list, tell me! However, I will say that in my opinion, as Fjord > owners and breeders we are obligated to do the very best for our chosen > breed we can. From birth to death. As much as we do not like this topic, > ignoring it is not going to stop the slaughter of Fjords or other horses. > The people who are going to put an end to this are not going to be the > rescue groups, or the UEF, or even me. These people will be all of you. The > breeders and owners. > = > > I have to say that I don't agree with a lot of what has been said on this > whole subject, but I never have a problem hearing others' opinions. I find > it mind-expanding to listen to the opinions of intelligent people who happen > to have an opinion other than mine. However, this is a Fjord list. Let's > keep the subject pertinent to Fjordhorses. I believe the subject of rescuing > Fjords from slaughter is pertinent. > > Even the discussion of the process of slaughter itself was pertinent (kind > of) because we needed to know what we were rescuing these horses from. > Though, I must mention that 90% of the "information" was at the very least > sensationalized, and at the worst was just flat out false. I, however, was > content to sit on the sideline and read the comments because I realized that > the people writing these comments were very emotionally committed to their > opinions and if I tried to point out the inaccuracies in their statements it > would not be very productive. When two people have differing opinions based > on widely divergent basic, fundamental beliefs, they need to just realize > that the other person is still a good, intelligent person, but he or she > just happens to look at the world in a different way. > > However I do take strong issue with the following statement, made by a > person I will not name: > > === > How does one become numb enough to work in a slaughterhouse? Of what gain or > value [is] money if you have to give away your very soul to earn it? > > Teach your kids that they can be anything they want and do anything they set > there mind to- Boy girl, big, small, short, fat...Then don't be afraid to > tell them that there are many things that they could choose to do that would > deeply disappoint and hurt you. Egad how I would question my parenting if I > raised a child so hard and cruel as to work in a slaughterhouse... > === > > The line has been crossed. This has no relevance to Fjordhorses at all. I > generally consider myself a calm person. I found this statement extremely > offensive. I cannot remember the last time I was this angry. As I type this, > it is difficult because my hands are still shaking. I don't know if I'm so > angry because someone could be so narrow minded to make a statement like > this and think that others wanted to hear it, or if I'm angry because the > statement was allowed to be made without anyone saying, "Hey buddy, that's > not cool." Even Steve (whoever or where ever he is) who is supposed to be > monitoring this list, didn't rein him in. Hey, we all have opinions, but if > you are going to express your narrow-minded bigot opinions, keep it to the > narrow-minded bigot list and off the Fjordhorse list. > > If someone would have made a prejudiced statement about interracial > marriage, homosexuality, Christianity, Islam, abo
Re: I'm offended
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andy, > Of course, there is no money in > small scale farming and ranching, so my father worked at--and eventually > bought into the ownership of--a small, local slaughterhouse. He ended up > going out of business because he couldnât compete with the huge > factory-type > I can understand what caused you to feel offended, but when I read the post you were discussing, it was in reference to the "huge factory-type slaughterhouses" we were discussing previously. Actually, that post was made in reference to the pictures I had posted that came FROM some of these huge slaughterhouses. Some of the members discussed supporting the type of slaughterhouse your father worked in and eventually owned and I also agree with this. This small ones do have the time to make sure the animals are not in pain. However, horses do not fall into the category of these type of slaughterhouses, unfortunately. Slaughterhouses that take horses ARE large, factory type. These are where Fjords are taken to and I personally felt this person's post was directed toward that sort of slaughter and was especially focused on the slaughter of horses in general. Just my take! Lynda
I'm offended
This message is from: "Andy Mayberry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey all, Lynda C. Welch wrote: = If Steve and everyone else would prefer we keep the topic of slaughter off of this list, tell me! However, I will say that in my opinion, as Fjord owners and breeders we are obligated to do the very best for our chosen breed we can. From birth to death. As much as we do not like this topic, ignoring it is not going to stop the slaughter of Fjords or other horses. The people who are going to put an end to this are not going to be the rescue groups, or the UEF, or even me. These people will be all of you. The breeders and owners. = I have to say that I dont agree with a lot of what has been said on this whole subject, but I never have a problem hearing others opinions. I find it mind-expanding to listen to the opinions of intelligent people who happen to have an opinion other than mine. However, this is a Fjord list. Lets keep the subject pertinent to Fjordhorses. I believe the subject of rescuing Fjords from slaughter is pertinent. Even the discussion of the process of slaughter itself was pertinent (kind of) because we needed to know what we were rescuing these horses from. Though, I must mention that 90% of the information was at the very least sensationalized, and at the worst was just flat out false. I, however, was content to sit on the sideline and read the comments because I realized that the people writing these comments were very emotionally committed to their opinions and if I tried to point out the inaccuracies in their statements it would not be very productive. When two people have differing opinions based on widely divergent basic, fundamental beliefs, they need to just realize that the other person is still a good, intelligent person, but he or she just happens to look at the world in a different way. However I do take strong issue with the following statement, made by a person I will not name: === How does one become numb enough to work in a slaughterhouse? Of what gain or value [is] money if you have to give away your very soul to earn it? Teach your kids that they can be anything they want and do anything they set there mind to- Boy girl, big, small, short, fat...Then don't be afraid to tell them that there are many things that they could choose to do that would deeply disappoint and hurt you. Egad how I would question my parenting if I raised a child so hard and cruel as to work in a slaughterhouse... === The line has been crossed. This has no relevance to Fjordhorses at all. I generally consider myself a calm person. I found this statement extremely offensive. I cannot remember the last time I was this angry. As I type this, it is difficult because my hands are still shaking. I dont know if Im so angry because someone could be so narrow minded to make a statement like this and think that others wanted to hear it, or if Im angry because the statement was allowed to be made without anyone saying, Hey buddy, thats not cool. Even Steve (whoever or where ever he is) who is supposed to be monitoring this list, didnt rein him in. Hey, we all have opinions, but if you are going to express your narrow-minded bigot opinions, keep it to the narrow-minded bigot list and off the Fjordhorse list. If someone would have made a prejudiced statement about interracial marriage, homosexuality, Christianity, Islam, abortion, Republicans, or whatever, they would have been reprimanded (I hope). Ive heard that anger is a secondary emotion. Whenever you find yourself angry, you should back up and see what the primary emotion actually was. Were you embarrassed, scared, offended, hurt, or what? I must admit that my primary emotion was probably offence and hurt. I doubt anyone cares, but I grew up as the son of a farmer/rancher. Of course, there is no money in small scale farming and ranching, so my father worked at--and eventually bought into the ownership of--a small, local slaughterhouse. He ended up going out of business because he couldnt compete with the huge factory-type slaughterhouses. He went out of business when I was 14--still too young to actually work the kill floor, but my older brothers did and I observed on more than one occasion. My father is and was a wonderful, caring, God-fearing individual and a good husband, father, grandfather, and a good, honest, hardworking member of our community. He was and is a responsible horseman and cattleman (If it makes you feel better, he never slaughtered horses, because as a rancher/cowboy, he personally didnt like processing horses--though others could if they wanted to) None of us boys has been foolish enough to go into agricultural business, and have chosen to be professionals. My older brothers are all moral, well-respected individuals in their chosen p
