Fwd: Mike's comments, NFHR approved judges

1998-09-29 Thread Mike May
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>Mike, thanks for responding to my note.  I know that the geographical
>distribution of Fjords here is erratic right now, but think it's important
>that a structure be defined and regions set up so that, as the breed grows,
>it will have a clear way to grow and a structure within which to do so.
>All regions don't necessarily have to have shows right now, and,
>unfortunately, for the time being Brian Jacobsen will probably have to
>trailer a distance if he wants to compete against anyone but himself.  But
>if there's a region set up in the Southeast, then when there are enough
>Fjords there, another non-affilliated group won't end up getting started
>with no structure, no BOD, etc.  and the group will have a clear outlet for
>publicizing its existence in the newsletter, and it will have insurance when
>it wants to do a show.  It's not the idea of the NFHR provided financial
>support for ribbons or anything, it's the structure and the professionalism
>that would be of use.  And those are easier to put in place earlier than
later.
>
>Second, concerning Evaluation Rules, I am well aware of those rules.  I
>think that there are a good deal of problems and inconsistencies with them
>and have sent the Evaluations Committee a 3 page letter concerning that.  I
>know that a snaffle bit on an older Western horse is clearly illegal per the
>rules, because Western uses AHSA rules and it's not legal there.  And that's
>regardless of whether or not it's a green horse.  However, lots else wasn't
>covered by those rules.  Was the Baucher snaffle legal?  People were
>complaining about it, but it is a dressage-legal bit.  So is a French
>(3-piece) snaffle?  Yet the Baucher is not excluded or included in
>Evaluation rules, the French snaffle is excluded because it says a 2-piece
>snaffle.  The Western goes by AHSA rules, the English makes up its own rules
>and doesn't cover a lot of situations.  Likewise the kicking strap on the
>driving horse.  It got removed because someone complained but there is
>nothing wrong with it and, per my ADS technical rep. here, it would be
>allowed in ANY ADS competition.  Furthermore, it is not mentioned at all in
>the Evaluation rules, one way or the other.  That's why I think we need a
>rulebook, so we don't have the kind of bickering and complaining that we did
>at the Oregon Evaluation.  
>
>Finally, someone asked about NHFR approved judges.  First of all, what
>exactly is the point of having NFHR approved judges if we don't have NHFR
>approved shows?  You don't have to be an NFHR approved judge to judge at
>Libby, Turlock, or anywhere else so why have them?  Second, I am of the
>impression, per conversations with NFHR BOD members, that you don't really
>have to know much (anything) about our breed to be an NFHR approved judge.
>I believe the qualifications at the moment are 1) that you be a carded judge
>in at least one other breed (is that only AHSA approved breeds?  I don't
>think so...), 2) that you have judged a major breed show (in another breed)
>in the last year or so, and 3) that you attend educational judging seminars
>at least once a year (I may have the frequency wrong).  I showed a couple of
>years ago under a very good AHSA judge who was carded in our breed, but they
>had never judged Fjords before and I'm not certain that they had ever even
>SEEN one before.  I know that the BOD is working on a judges handbook, but
>we don't even have a final breed standard yet, so how exactly can we have
>APPROVED judges?
>
>Thanks for listening.
>
>Becky Vorpagel
>Jont Creek Acres
> 



Mike's comments, NFHR approved judges

1998-09-26 Thread Information Architecture
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Mike, thanks for responding to my note.  I know that the geographical
distribution of Fjords here is erratic right now, but think it's important
that a structure be defined and regions set up so that, as the breed grows,
it will have a clear way to grow and a structure within which to do so.
All regions don't necessarily have to have shows right now, and,
unfortunately, for the time being Brian Jacobsen will probably have to
trailer a distance if he wants to compete against anyone but himself.  But
if there's a region set up in the Southeast, then when there are enough
Fjords there, another non-affilliated group won't end up getting started
with no structure, no BOD, etc.  and the group will have a clear outlet for
publicizing its existence in the newsletter, and it will have insurance when
it wants to do a show.  It's not the idea of the NFHR provided financial
support for ribbons or anything, it's the structure and the professionalism
that would be of use.  And those are easier to put in place earlier than later.

Second, concerning Evaluation Rules, I am well aware of those rules.  I
think that there are a good deal of problems and inconsistencies with them
and have sent the Evaluations Committee a 3 page letter concerning that.  I
know that a snaffle bit on an older Western horse is clearly illegal per the
rules, because Western uses AHSA rules and it's not legal there.  And that's
regardless of whether or not it's a green horse.  However, lots else wasn't
covered by those rules.  Was the Baucher snaffle legal?  People were
complaining about it, but it is a dressage-legal bit.  So is a French
(3-piece) snaffle?  Yet the Baucher is not excluded or included in
Evaluation rules, the French snaffle is excluded because it says a 2-piece
snaffle.  The Western goes by AHSA rules, the English makes up its own rules
and doesn't cover a lot of situations.  Likewise the kicking strap on the
driving horse.  It got removed because someone complained but there is
nothing wrong with it and, per my ADS technical rep. here, it would be
allowed in ANY ADS competition.  Furthermore, it is not mentioned at all in
the Evaluation rules, one way or the other.  That's why I think we need a
rulebook, so we don't have the kind of bickering and complaining that we did
at the Oregon Evaluation.  

Finally, someone asked about NHFR approved judges.  First of all, what
exactly is the point of having NFHR approved judges if we don't have NHFR
approved shows?  You don't have to be an NFHR approved judge to judge at
Libby, Turlock, or anywhere else so why have them?  Second, I am of the
impression, per conversations with NFHR BOD members, that you don't really
have to know much (anything) about our breed to be an NFHR approved judge.
I believe the qualifications at the moment are 1) that you be a carded judge
in at least one other breed (is that only AHSA approved breeds?  I don't
think so...), 2) that you have judged a major breed show (in another breed)
in the last year or so, and 3) that you attend educational judging seminars
at least once a year (I may have the frequency wrong).  I showed a couple of
years ago under a very good AHSA judge who was carded in our breed, but they
had never judged Fjords before and I'm not certain that they had ever even
SEEN one before.  I know that the BOD is working on a judges handbook, but
we don't even have a final breed standard yet, so how exactly can we have
APPROVED judges?

Thanks for listening.

Becky Vorpagel
Jont Creek Acres