Re: NFHR registration & value of Fjord & "what the market will bear"

2005-09-23 Thread Lisa Wiley

This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Carole,

Could you please explain the following statement?  Why would line breeding 
or inbreeding cause these problems anymore than outcross breeding?  If the 
problem is in a line it is there doesn't matter how you use it.




The worth of a Fjordhorse depends on many many things, the first one being
his LINEAGE.  --  If he or she has a screwed up pedigree --- linebred,
inbred for instance --then in my opinion, he has very litle value because
you don't know what lurks in his genes that may cause serious trouble in his
and your future.  --  He may look OK, act OK now, but may go blind at ten
years of age --  Or something else equally devestating.




Lisa Wiley
Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs
Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose
Corresponding Secretary FASTeam
http://www.myturnabout.com 






Re: NFHR registration & value of Fjord & "what the market will bear"

2005-09-23 Thread Carol Riviore

This message is from: "Carol Riviore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia --

We have one more week of Nova Scotia Beginner Driving Vacations, and then 
we're free until next June.   ---  While we  enjoy the heck out of the 
summer, our driving vacation guests, and the horses, it's going to be nice 
to relax a little, and drive for pleasure not teaching anybody but myself.


I started that this week, driving BDF Quasar and BDF Nora, my own two 
personal horses --  Quasar is a Gjest x Holly - Solar 6 yr. old son, and 
Nora is a
Gjest x Maryke - Hjerter-Knaeght 9 yr. old daughter.  --  Quasar was used 
all summer for the driving vacations, and he was a star.  So much so that 
practically everybody who had him as their school horse wanted to buy 
im.  --  I like to sell horses, but not that much!  Quasar is going to stay 
with me.  By the time I'm 85, he'll be 26, and I know he'll still be 
driving, and hope I am.  Why not?


 --  Both Quasar and Nora are tremendously pleasant driving horses.  --  
Quasar has  the best rhythm and regularity to his trot of any horse I've 
ever driven.  He's not quite as forward as Gjest, but his rhythm is even 
better.  --  Nora is a clone of Gjest.  She's a much darker color, but other 
than that, she could be her sire in body shape, suppleness, desire to move 
forward, and fantastic movement.  --  I might breed her someday.


And yesterday, I drove poor old Gjest.  --  I was so ashamed as he hasn't 
been used in almost a year.  And he loves driving so much.  --  He's looking 
very very old, but he's healthy, and vigorous --  almost as much so as he's 
ever been.  --  We went out alone and just walked the trails for about 30 
min.  I have to say that his walk IS as big and swinging and ground covering 
as it's ever been.  --  And, he was just waiting for the signal to trot.  --  
I found him 100% responsive in the m outh, which is a bit amazing 
considering he has absolutely no back teeth, and therefore, the bit could 
only slide around in his mouth.  However, that meant nothing as he responded 
to the slightest weight of the reins.  --  Anyway, I had a great time, and 
plan on taking him out for a drive every day until winter.  He just loved 
the driving, and the attention.  --  When we finally got to the driving 
dressage arena, I whispered to him "trot", and he sprang to it as he's 
always done, and the old man would have kept trotting until he dropped.  I 
know he would have, but I stopped after 5 min.  --  And you know, it was 
quite remarkable that he responded SUPER elastically to my half halts, which 
had to be just on his lips since he has no teeth.  --  We use Glory Bits for 
all our driving horses.




But, to get to the reason I'm posting today . . . .   Somebody said that 
"registration has no bearing on his (the horse's) worth.  --  I sure don't 
agree with that.
Granted, registration is not nearly as important with a gelding as with a 
mare or stallion, but it still has value as it proves the lineage of the 
horse, and hopefully, a lot of people care about that.  --  The person who 
made this comment was referring to a gelding.


I also disagree very much the "Worth (in a Fjordhorse) is what the economy 
will bear".  --  I can't tell you how much I disagree with that one.  --  
The worth of a Fjordhorse depends on many many things, the first one being 
his LINEAGE.  --  If he or she has a screwed up pedigree --- linebred, 
inbred for instance --then in my opinion, he has very litle value because 
you don't know what lurks in his genes that may cause serious trouble in his 
and your future.  --  He may look OK, act OK now, but may go blind at ten 
years of age --  Or something else equally devestating.


;The horse's value also depends on the following, which are in no particular 
order of importance


BLOODLINES -
CHARACTER
TEMPERAMENT
ATTITDUE
WILLINGNESS
CONFORMATION
MOVEMENT
APTITUDE
ABILITIES
EARLY TRAINING
CONTINUED TRAINING
CONDITION
HIS HISTORY - (How the horse was raised -  Has he been properly cared for 
all his life -  Wormed regularly?  -  Foot care?

MEDICAL HISTORY

If the horse scores high in all these categories, then he should be an 
expensive horse.  It stands to reason.


Best Regards, Carol Rivoire



 His value
is based on his ability not his papers IMO, so Registered or not has no
barring on his worth. Worth is what the ecomoney will bear. I have a
valuable mare ( registered ), but today's market would most likely not
support her sale at her worth.




http://www.beaverdamfarm.com
Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II
R.R. 7
Pomquet, Nova Scotia B2G 2L4
Tel:(902) 386-2304
Fax:(902) 386-2149
Carole Rivoire, author of THE FJORDHORSE HANDBOOK,
only book in English on the Fjord breed, available from Beaver Dam Farm,
$36.95 US includes P&H
http://www.beaverdamfarm.com/book.htm