Re: Stallion Influence - Question for Mike May
This message is from: "Michael Bickman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Mike for both the computation and your comments. Mike Mike and Cindy Bickman Stepping Stone Farm Canton, Georgia - Original Message - > -- > > Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 15:27:58 -0500 > From: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: Stallion Influence - Question for Mike May > > Ok I did some counting and here is what I found: > > I found that I have 144 Stallion Reports with at least 1 mare bred on them. > > I counted 480 mares bred total. > > So 480/144 = 3.33 > > So we are not all that far off I guess. > > I will have to say that there are some stallions that have a fair amount of > influence though. There are probably 10 or so (I didn't count these) that > have more than 1 page of mares. There are 6 mares to a page. > > ===
Re: Stallion Influence - Question for Mike May
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ok I did some counting and here is what I found: At 10:05 PM 2/2/01 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: "Michael Bickman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike also mentioned that he received 155 stallion breeding reports last year (including those indicating no mares were bred). I have received a few more late ones so I now have 159 Stallion Breeding Reports for 2000. So another approach would be to count the number of mares bred listed on the reports and divide that number by the number of reports showing at least one mare bred. This approach, although using a smaller universe than looking at all horses registered in 2000, would automatically correct for unregistered foals and imported horses as neither would impact the computation. This was the method I used as it was easier & automatically didn't count Transfers & imports etc. I found that I have 144 Stallion Reports with at least 1 mare bred on them. I counted 480 mares bred total. So 480/144 = 3.33 So we are not all that far off I guess. I will have to say that there are some stallions that have a fair amount of influence though. There are probably 10 or so (I didn't count these) that have more than 1 page of mares. There are 6 mares to a page. I think this information would be helpful in determining the relative influence of stallions vs. mares on the development of the Fjord breed in North America. Well there you have it Mike Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Stallion Influence - Question for Mike May
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 10:05 PM 2/2/01 -0500, you wrote: This message is from: "Michael Bickman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (I would point out that some of the 370 newly registered horses were imported and this would lower the ratio somewhat as I assume their sires were not registered in the NFHR.) True there were some imports last year but not very many. Probably less than 10. An interesting statistic would be: what are the average number of mares bred by stallions, counting only those stallions which bred mares that year? For example, if only 100 stallions bred mares in 2000, then the average number of mares bred by each "breeding" stallion would be closer to 4 (370 divided by 100). Unfortunately that isn't as easy to get. I would have to count them manually to get that number. Mike also mentioned that he received 155 stallion breeding reports last year (including those indicating no mares were bred). So another approach would be to count the number of mares bred listed on the reports and divide that number by the number of reports showing at least one mare bred. This approach, although using a smaller universe than looking at all horses registered in 2000, would automatically correct for unregistered foals and imported horses as neither would impact the computation. This is probably the best way. As I was typing the response I also happened to think that some of the horses registered were not really imported but were transfers from another registry. So they shouldn't count either. I might just do the manual count to see what the real number is. I think this information would be helpful in determining the relative influence of stallions vs. mares on the development of the Fjord breed in North America. The point I meant to make by that post by the way was that we have way to many stallions for the number of breeding mares we have in the US. I am not naive enough to think that we have 270 or even 155 great quality stallions here. I could be wrong but I don't think so. There are some like Vivian pointed out that are kept stallions for competition too. I don't have a problem with that either but there are a lot of stallion names on the books that you never see mentioned any place. I am afraid they are just hanging out so to speak in the pasture. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Stallion Influence - Question for Mike May
This message is from: "Michael Bickman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> There seems to be agreement that the "average" Fjord stallion in North America sires about 1.5 to 2 foals per year. This statistic came form Mike May's 1/21/01 post which started with the following facts: 370 horses were registered in 2000 and there were 280 registered stallions born before 1/1/99. Mike then suggested not all the 280 stallions were still stallions, and reduced the likely number to 250, which made the ratio about 1.5 foals per stallion. Mike also pointed out that not all foals are registered, and came up with a range of about 1.5 to 2 mares bred per stallion. (I would point out that some of the 370 newly registered horses were imported and this would lower the ratio somewhat as I assume their sires were not registered in the NFHR.) However, Mike also pointed out that he received numerous stallion breeding reports which indicated no mares were bred. An interesting statistic would be: what are the average number of mares bred by stallions, counting only those stallions which bred mares that year? For example, if only 100 stallions bred mares in 2000, then the average number of mares bred by each "breeding" stallion would be closer to 4 (370 divided by 100). Mike also mentioned that he received 155 stallion breeding reports last year (including those indicating no mares were bred). So another approach would be to count the number of mares bred listed on the reports and divide that number by the number of reports showing at least one mare bred. This approach, although using a smaller universe than looking at all horses registered in 2000, would automatically correct for unregistered foals and imported horses as neither would impact the computation. I think this information would be helpful in determining the relative influence of stallions vs. mares on the development of the Fjord breed in North America. Mike Mike and Cindy Bickman Stepping Stone Farm Canton, Georgia
Re: Question for Mike May
This message is from: "Mike May, Registrar NFHR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 06:57 AM 3/5/00 -0900, you wrote: This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Does the Registry consider breeding to an UNREGISTERED Fjord to be cross breeding? That is an interesting question Jean. I have never been asked that one before. I suppose that could be considered cross breeding only because we don't really know if it is a full blooded Fjord or not. On the other hand if the blood lines of the horse in question could be proven with DNA typing then it certainly wouldn't be considered cross breeding. A friend has a mare who is purebred but unregisterd because of the break in the transfer of papers, etc. of her dam. We know her parentage, both were registered with NFHR but the the dam's papers were not properly tranfered and the mare in question was never properly registered. The owner is now trying to get her registered but is having difficulties. This doesn't sound familiar Jean. Who is this we are talking about. You can answer this directly to me if you would rather. What horse is it? If I can look her up to see if she is DNA typed I can give a better answer. We can probably get it straightened out with some minor difficulties I am pretty sure. The question comes up because my friend who has the only Fjord stallion in Alaska (that I know of) has said he is afraid he will be penalized for "crossbreeding" if he breeds his stallion to this unregistered mare. I don't think that would happen if everything is as described so far. it looks to me like the parentage could be proven on it even though the ownership may be in doubt. The mare owner, while she would prefer to have her fjords registered, is mostly interested in breeding her mare for a another fjord for herself. But she would like to be able to register the foal also. Well lets get her name to me and I will do some looking and see what I can come up with. I am concerned that if she is not allowed to breed to a fjord stallion she will simply choose a non Fjord! I wouldn't think there should be any penalty for breeding to non registered purebred fjords. Can you clear this up? Hopefully I did a little bit anyway. We sure don't want her to breed her to a non Fjord stallion if she is a pure bred Fjord. Mike === Norwegian Fjord Horse Registry Mike May, Registrar Voice 716-872-4114 FAX 716-787-0497 http://www.nfhr.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Question for Mike May
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Does the Registry consider breeding to an UNREGISTERED Fjord to be cross breeding? A friend has a mare who is purebred but unregisterd because of the break in the transfer of papers, etc. of her dam. We know her parentage, both were registered with NFHR but the the dam's papers were not properly tranfered and the mare in question was never properly registered. The owner is now trying to get her registered but is having difficulties. The question comes up because my friend who has the only Fjord stallion in Alaska (that I know of) has said he is afraid he will be penalized for "crossbreeding" if he breeds his stallion to this unregistered mare. The mare owner, while she would prefer to have her fjords registered, is mostly interested in breeding her mare for a another fjord for herself. But she would like to be able to register the foal also. I am concerned that if she is not allowed to breed to a fjord stallion she will simply choose a non Fjord! I wouldn't think there should be any penalty for breeding to non registered purebred fjords. Can you clear this up? Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, another great day, sunny and mid 30's forcast! . Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED]
