Re: 20 guage
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] During my tour, I recall MP's carrying shotguns when guarding various buildings (e.g., embassy, airport guardhouses, etc.) and assumed they were for close in work. I also recall that they fell out of favor because they don't do a good job penetrating steel (e.g., cars/trucks rigged as suicide bombs)
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DOn't know, I've seen articles in friend's gun magazines in past years that showed such things and attributed them to that war. Unless they exagerated the importance in the articles. Like I said, I wasn't there myself, too messy, and I had a life here to deal with. Merek
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: "linda hickam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Merek.my name is Dwayne {Linda's husband} and I was in Viet Nam and
we never saw the kind of weapons you are talking about.Shot guns were
used,but in very limited numbers.They have small magazines,5-7 rounds and 00
buck does not chop the brush like the movies show!!! Paper and plastic
cartridges couldn't be used because of the humidity and rain, and the brass
casings are heavy.
Believe me we prefer our rifles!! Dwayne.Marines 65-66
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>Date: Sun, Feb 13, 2000, 3:19 PM
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> Mind you, I wasn't in 'Nam (realized it was NOT a good place to spend time),
>but I know they had them in the arsenal. I beleive they were something like
>the now-outlawed Streetsweepers. Twenty or so rounds in a drum, fire as fast
>as you could pump it. Not a machine-gun rapid-fire. Popular in areas like New
>York City to the west of me, also, for our drug dealers and minority gangs,
>though they also like Uzi's and Mac-10's. Merek
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Re: 20 guage
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mind you, I wasn't in 'Nam (realized it was NOT a good place to spend time), but I know they had them in the arsenal. I beleive they were something like the now-outlawed Streetsweepers. Twenty or so rounds in a drum, fire as fast as you could pump it. Not a machine-gun rapid-fire. Popular in areas like New York City to the west of me, also, for our drug dealers and minority gangs, though they also like Uzi's and Mac-10's. Merek
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> merek, i did'nt know they used shotguns over there (nam) or that they could be rapid fire? would'nt the barrel get really hot and warp? they do work for cougars that's for sure; at least at fairly close range. we've had cougars killed on our property. if you are stalking an animal, as a tracker might do, then a 30-06 might me better. keeps the fjords safe anyway, and that is the main purpose. (this is a fjord list not guns and ammo mag). denise
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> listers, cougars can't be shot here unless you are in immediate danger of life, limb or livestock. if you have one bothering your animals or you, you have to call fish and game and they send out a tracker to "relocate" them. this means that after a week or two of vacation in some other cat's territory, they come right back to your place and eat your livestock. denise in sierra foothills, wet, wet, wet. I WANT TO RIDE, DARNIT!
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shotguns were big in 'Nam. Rapid-fire, large-magazine weapons to chop the brush and hopefully hit any enemy hiding there. Merek
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: Kim Gibson-Rogstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Jean Gayle Never used one in the military , but learned to plink wih it for trap and sceet.The airbourne had them at one time though 12 gauge.Something I learned and was passing on. Gunnar Rogstad Tall Pines
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: "Bushnell's" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 06:22 PM 02/12/2000 -0400, you wrote: >This message is from: "linda hickam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >cougars are NOT endangered... "by cracky," they will be if Peg spots them! ha ha ha they may not be categorically an Endangered species, but they are protected probably, at least here in Montana, unless you have a permit, per quota. Ruthie
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Say Gunnar when did the military use shotguns? When I went to Germany they started me out on carbines for hunting and I thought this was the lightest gun. Even shot from horse back with these.Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: "linda hickam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cougars are NOT endangered... -- >From: Alison Barr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com >Subject: Re: 20 guage >Date: Sat, Feb 12, 2000, 7:08 PM > >This message is from: Alison Barr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Hmm, I can't find the original comment on cougar problems so can't >comment of the situation, but before you kill them please remember that >they are an endangered species. They are endangered mostly because they >have been shot bu farmers. Please make sure it is absolutely necessary >before you kill one. >
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: Alison Barr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hmm, I can't find the original comment on cougar problems so can't comment of the situation, but before you kill them please remember that they are an endangered species. They are endangered mostly because they have been shot bu farmers. Please make sure it is absolutely necessary before you kill one.
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: Kim Gibson-Rogstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello I just had to respond to the question of the 20 guage.Now the 20 is just as effective as a. 12 gauge if you use the right loads.If your 20 can take magnum loads that can roughly bring you up to a 12 gauge 2 and 3/4 load.It just depends on how many grains of powder in the load and type of shot when using SSG or SLUG (ssg 12, 32 calibre rounds, slug is one round in 12 gauge its 50 caliber),but with any kind of shot your good for roughly 50 feet,Slug you should be able to shoot to 100 yards.A shotgun does not have to be used from the shoulder it can be used from the waist by holding it in to your side using it this way there is no recoil.When using shot this is quite an effective method.Just practise on plastic bottles.Shotgun or rifle it does not matter they still both kill. Sorry to be long winded about this, but use to be a small arms coach in the military. Gunnar Rogstad Tall Pines
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi List, A response to the coyote/mountain lion deterrant thread. Back in California, when I was "pioneer woman" ,(that's what my friends called me, as we had no running water or electricity),in San Andreas,Ca,in the Calif. Foothill Gold country,(not too far away from where Denise Delgado lives), we had TONS of coyotes and the occasional mountain lion. We used a 12 gauge to shoot over the coyotes when they came in close during daylight hours, and if the scream of the mountain lion was close, but mostly my favorite tactic was the 'ol pot banging technique, screaming like a banshee at the same time. Great release at the end of a busy day! We never had a coyote attack the dogs or stock, and niether with the mountain lion. Our friends who live up closer to where Denise lives,about 10 miles away upcountry in a more treed/deeper drainage area, do have a significant problem, as they have goats & poultry who have been attacked. They now have a rottwieler that they swear has cut down the actual mortality, but not frequency of visits. I did have a weird close call early one morning. I awoke very early to pick up my mother in law from the airport. Half asleep I heard the strangest caterwauling, coming from the creek area below. I thought it was some of the local cats yukking it up doing the mating thing. I left for the airport, and when I returned, I saw the foaling paddock with the no climb fencing split clean in half. Apparently the cat screaming had continued, and my husband ran out and witnessed my 5 mo. old filly Tise taking a big run at the fence. She didn't stop at the fence, just kept going, breaking the corral boards as well as splitting the fence. She was remarkably unhurt, only a little cut on her chest, and what I can only describe as a slight re-alignment, or shifting of her face: one eye is slightly higher now than the other. Didn't seem to affect her later on, as she has a blue in conformation and a silver medallion in performance from the NFHR. Guess the cat was a little too close for her comfort. Never found tracks, and can only assume that the sound traveled quite a distance up the drainage. Here in Nevada, the big cats are much more scarce, but when they do make it into town, they are usually shot and killed,( a real tragedy IMO),and then the big debate starts about trapping vs. killing... __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: "Denise Delgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> peg, lions have been known to jump into paddocks and runs, over the bars and fencing to get to their desired target. the monitor sounds like a good idea as does the radio tuned to an all night talk show. good luck, denise
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: Mike May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 06:03 PM 2/11/00 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all - Thanks for the input about the 20-guage. But here's the deal. No one recommended it to me for cougar. I got it because a 12-gauge is too much for me. I have arthritis in my hands and don't have as much upper body strength as I would like. Soccer doesn't build that part of you. Maybe I should just go up to the cat and give him/her a good kick! Well it might be better than just wounding it & letting it suffer actually. Unless your at a very close range a 20 gauge probably won't kill a Cougar (or a coyote). Is your intention to just shoot over it & scare it or shooting at it? If your going to be shooting at it you might want to save that last shot for when it is just a couple of feet away. As I mentioned, the most likely use will be for coyotes, but this model holds three shells and makes just as much noise as any other gun. I don't want a rifle around the house - this is what I'm comfortable with. If all you want to do is make noise it can be done with some much safer devices than a shotgun.
Re: 20 guage
This message is from: "cnielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Peg, sorry to hear about your potential big critter problem. hope everyone stays safe. I just had to tell you ,you really cracked me up when you said maybe you should go up to the cat and give him/her a good kick- I could just imagine it! you play soccer well I had to let you know I actually laughed out loud. hope everyone stays safe out there. take care Randi in Wis.. - Original Message - From: Knutsen Fjord Farm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, February 11, 2000 8:03 PM Subject: 20 guage > This message is from: "Knutsen Fjord Farm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi all - > > Thanks for the input about the 20-guage. But here's the deal. No one > recommended it to me for cougar. I got it because a 12-gauge is too much for > me. I have arthritis in my hands and don't have as much upper body strength > as I would like. Soccer doesn't build that part of you. Maybe I should just > go up to the cat and give him/her a good kick! As I mentioned, the most > likely use will be for coyotes, but this model holds three shells and makes > just as much noise as any other gun. I don't want a rifle around the house - > this is what I'm comfortable with. > > The baby/foal monitor is working beautifully. We have it aimed at Erlend, > and will be able to listen to him munching or snoring away all night. If any > unwanted creature gets into the barn, we'll know right away. I don't really > expect that to happen, but we're better prepared than we were last week. > Sonny and big sis Pepper are totally safe in their 16x16 stable behind bars > and/or extruded metal. > > Will try again on the Breyer site. > > Bye for now - Peg Knutsen http:www.eburg.com/~kffjord/ > >
