RE: Horse waterers
This message is from: "Frederick J. Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lisa, More than happy to have been of help. Fre All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus 2004. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 http://www.geocities.com/friendlyfred98 This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fred, Thank you that is so helpful.
Re: Horse waterers
This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fred, Thank you that is so helpful. My husband is a civil engineer and very handy but did not understand what I was trying to tell him. This is perfect. He has the water but will put the electric out there. The place for the second one has nothing but our septic has to be redun and he said he would do the water and electricity at that time. It doesn't get below zero very often in CT. but I will have him put the insulation in. This will be a spring project so the ground will not be frozen. It sounds like it is very worth spending the money. Lisa Wiley Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/ponieswithpurposeinc/ http://www.geocities.com/summerct/horses.html http://www.geocities.com/summerct/Turnabout.html
RE: Horse waterers
This message is from: "Frederick J. Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Lisa, You have most of the hard work done already, as you have the water line in. Did you lay an electric wire along with the water line? If not, you are going to have to trench in an electric line (protected by a circuit breaker somewhere). It must be deep enough that should the ground become soft (muddy), a horse stepping in the area will not damage the line. The sewer pipes are 5 footers, 4 feet of which is below the surface...one above with the Nelson on the top. This allows ground heat to rise UP the pipe to assist in preventing freeze. The electric heaters are 200 watts and quire adequate in temperatures down to 0 degrees F. We have not had temperatures below that, so I do not know how well freezing will be prevented. Some people have lined the INSIDE of the sewer pipe with fiberglass insulation with success. I had ONE that tended to freeze the pipe (at the shutoff valve when the outside air temperature was a sustained 10degrees F or below) INSIDE the sewer pipe leading up to the Nelson. I tried filling the pipe with Styrofoam "popcorn" packing pellets...but forgot that they FLOAT if water gets inside the pipe. Don't do it. Use some fiberglass if you think it is necessary. Fiberglass worked, even if it gets wet. Never any freezing problems with the other 9 Nelsons. Be sure to install a shutoff valve AT the Nelson (inside the sewer pipe). Should you have to clean a valve you will find the shutoff extremely valuable. The concrete sewer pipes ARE heavy and require a 4' deep hole. We absolutely LOVE ours... Fred All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus 2004. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 http://www.geocities.com/friendlyfred98 Horse waterers This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Where they hard to install?
Re: Horse waterers
This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fred, Thanks I saw that and it looked really nice. Where they hard to install? I already have a waterline out to my horses. My minis will get one this summer when we replace the septic. Lisa Wiley Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/ponieswithpurposeinc/ http://www.geocities.com/summerct/horses.html http://www.geocities.com/summerct/Turnabout.html
Re: Horse waterers
This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Suzan, Thanks, I am trying to avoid the hose. Lisa Wiley Turnabout Portuguese Water Dogs Connecticut State Director Ponies With Purpose http://www.angelfire.com/ar3/ponieswithpurposeinc/ http://www.geocities.com/summerct/horses.html http://www.geocities.com/summerct/Turnabout.html
RE: Horse waterers
This message is from: "Jeanine Rachau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have Bower automatic heated waterers in the barn stalls and my jacks pen. They are mounted on concrete poured pads with a "heat well" formed by a big PCV pipe that goes through the concrete for several feet down. This brings the earths natural warmth up along with the water pipe and then a plug in heater is mounted under the waterer to keep the unit itself from freezing. So I had the electrical and the water brought in from underground in the same trench when I was setting them up. Just rented a ditch witch for the day and it really worked out pretty slick.The only thing adverse about the Bowers is that the basin will rust - otherwise they are pretty maintenance free. Watch out if you have geese however, they like to pull the drain plugs and flood the barn. For the pastures I have 100 gallon rubbermaid troughs - set up beside those is frost free faucets and electrical outlets for water heaters. I like having the extra water available for large multiples of animals, even though it costs more to heat that much water at one time. I have had situations where I have temporarily lost my well water or electricity- and it's very comforting to know that the animals have enough water for me to get things fixed. I do have a donkey that routinely takes a mouthful of hay over to the trough then drops it into the trough to take their drink. Of course they don't pick it back up when they are done. Aaaagh! Keeping that particular 100 gallon unit clean is a chore in that section of pasture! Jeanine BLUE MOUNTAIN DONKEY FARM AMJR Registered American Mammoth Jackstock La Grande, Oregon, USA http://www.OregonVOS.net/~jrachau/ E-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:57 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Horse waterers This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have a 100 gal Rubbermaid tank with a heater that goes in the drain plug. I fill it with a hose that I keep out all winter. We live in Minnesota, so keeping the hose from freezing is a challenge. After filling the tank, I drain the water out of the hose by walking along from the end to the beginning with it over my shoulder. Sometimes it freezes, so I bring it into the house to thaw. Usually it stays open. Suzan The world is so empty if one thinks only of mountains, rivers and cities; but to know someone here and there who thinks and feels with us, and though distant, is close to us in spirit --- this makes the earth for us an inhabited garden. b
Re: Horse waterers
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have a 100 gal Rubbermaid tank with a heater that goes in the drain plug. I fill it with a hose that I keep out all winter. We live in Minnesota, so keeping the hose from freezing is a challenge. After filling the tank, I drain the water out of the hose by walking along from the end to the beginning with it over my shoulder. Sometimes it freezes, so I bring it into the house to thaw. Usually it stays open. Suzan The world is so empty if one thinks only of mountains, rivers and cities; but to know someone here and there who thinks and feels with us, and though distant, is close to us in spirit --- this makes the earth for us an inhabited garden. â Johann von Goethe
RE: Horse waterers
This message is from: "Frederick J. Pack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus 2004. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 http://www.geocities.com/friendlyfred98 Lisa, Take a look at: http://www.nelsonmfg.com/a300H_001.htm Ours (10 waterers), are the heated ones...the center picture where they are mounted on a sewer pipe set in the ground...bell side up). Love em If you do it the same way that I did, cement around the top of the bell to keep the waterers from being knocked off the sewer pipe. Enjoy the new puppies, and Happy New Year... Fred Subject: Horse waterers This message is from: "Lisa Wiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
