Re: Ivermectin wormer
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gayle, They recommended worming every 60 days. We lived in MT at the time. With the hard killing frosts in the winter and our pasture management of rotating, dragging and leaving pastures vacant for a while, worming every 3-4 months was quite sufficient. I wondered why the need for worming so often? Deworming every 6-8wks is standard protocol for wormers based on the life cycle of the parasites. However, with your respectable management practices and climate, you're right. Deworming every 3-4 months (if even that often) is sufficient. Most people don't manage that well or do not have the acreage to be able to rotate pastures, and so the companies have to suggest the 6-8wk protocol. He had a HUGE infestation of ascarids. I picked out some of the larger ones and froze them so that I could show his owner. Fortunately no one mistook this for some left over pasta. Seriously though, it could be that the person didn't do as they claimed, or didn't do it effectively. Or maybe you just have some very tough ascarids in your area. My point is, Jean, that this is nothing new, it just never did work like they advertised! Shame on them!! I must disagree with you here. It was a terrific product and still works well. It has prevented a lot of deaths in young horses from verminous arteritis (when small strongyles cause damage to the vessels in the gut). If you are not using ivermectin in foals and yearlings, you may be risking them to this condition. Ascarids are not a major concern. When a horse has a lot of them, they can cause unthriftiness and sometimes a blockage in severe cases, but they don't cause any of the damage that the strongyles can. So the moral here is use ivermectin, but rotate it with other classes to get the variety of parasites. And if possible, practice good management like Gayle does with rotating pastures, cleaning up manure piles, etc.. Steve Steve White, DVM Sport Horse Veterinary Service Gretna, NE
Re: Ivermectin and Ticks
This message is from: carol j makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean Gayle wrote: This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Wanda, still hoping to hear what the name of that cedar spray is??? Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores Me too. -- Built FJORD tough Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
Re: Ivermectin and Ticks
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Wanda, still hoping to hear what the name of that cedar spray is??? Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: Ivermectin and Ticks
This message is from: carol j makosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanda M Hill wrote: This message is from: Wanda M Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello list. I have found, here in Oregon, a spray that is made out of ceder oil. It works very well on ticks and mosquitoes. Hi Wanda, Could you tell me the name of that spray and where you got it? Was it from a store or catalog? Does it stay on for a long time? -- Built FJORD tough Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
Re: Ivermectin
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Elaine, that is quite interesting about the medicine bit As a collector of antique bits there were quite a few made in the old days and I have some of them. They had a hook so you could tie the horses head up and not have it run out. Bet that was a scene! Esp as they were not adverse to dosing with kerosene for worms and other ailments. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: Ivermectin
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the ideas Pam... Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: Ivermectin
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks Cameron, wish I had thought of that. This big boy,17/2 legal, can stretch that neck to a point I can not reach. The whip threat encourages him to come down a bit and then I stick my hand into his mouth to grasp the bar and he goes fairly quiet that way but I still end up with some on me and his lips. Will try your method and see if there is something he might like, hmmm honey I bet. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
Re: Ivermectin
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] That's a good thought...I have only seen it used a few times. Maybe because it was used only once every eight weeks or so the horse did not associate it with being bridled.
Re: Ivermectin
This message is from: Laurie Pittman [EMAIL PROTECTED] That sounds good in principle, but I wonder if it may have the long term effect of a horse not wanting to be bridled. Don't know, but that's the first question that pops into my mind. Did the horses you saw wormed this way still accept the bit afterwards? Pamela I thought about that too, but since you would only use that bit about once every 8 weeks, I wouldn't think it would become a problem. You could always give them a treat with it once in a while. I do have a friend that has used one of these bits and hasn't mentioned any problems. Laurie
Re: Ivermectin
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/18/99 18:56:45 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You put this special device on a headstall, pop it in their mouth like a normal bit, and then apply the medicine in a side of the bit and it goes directly into their mouth and down the hatch. That sounds good in principle, but I wonder if it may have the long term effect of a horse not wanting to be bridled. Don't know, but that's the first question that pops into my mind. Did the horses you saw wormed this way still accept the bit afterwards? Pamela
Re: Ivermectin
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For horses that are REALLY tough to worm, there is a hollow bit device that can be used to give medicines. I've seen it in use and it is pretty neat. You put this special device on a headstall, pop it in their mouth like a normal bit, and then apply the medicine in a side of the bit and it goes directly into their mouth and down the hatch. I've seen it advertised in several Vet Supply type catalogs. Elaine Olsen
Re: Ivermectin
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 9/18/99 16:30:49 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Occasionally I still give her a tube full of her favorite (she prefers the cinnamon flavor) just to keep her thinking positive thoughts. Applesauce is good. But sometimes, on some horses it doesn't work. I've had good luck with Welches Grape Jelly. They seem to love it (kind of messy though). Other people I know use Smuckers Strawberry Syrup. Guess if you use something sweet and gooey, they eat it up. Pamela
Re: Ivermectin
This message is from: C. Pedri [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know if it is absorbed off their lips, but I was going to pass on a tip that a friend gave me about paste worming. I had a Quarterhorse mare that was a terror to past worm. She would throw her head around, and generally toss anyone trying to do it like they were a doll - with the medicine all over her and me. A friend suggested I get a used wormer tube and clean it thoroughly, then on a daily basis paste her with apple sauce. It took a few tries (and several brands to find one smooth enough to flow and with a taste she liked) before she figured out this was something good happening. Now she is a doll about it - puts her head down and smacks her lips in anticipation. Of course she's no fool and quickly realizes that it when it is the real thing and not applesauce - but she's been reconditioned to think of the paste tube as a good thing generally, and thus for the actual worming it is a cinch. Occasionally I still give her a tube full of her favorite (she prefers the cinnamon flavor) just to keep her thinking positive thoughts. Just something to consider, Cameron in AZ -- From: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjords [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Ivermectin Date: Friday, September 17, 1999 6:02 PM This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just wormed my three and I gave them extra Ivermectin because so much of it ends up smeared on their lips. Does it get absorbed in to their system when it is on their lips? It is tense time when I worm as the big boy really tests my patience. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle
