Re: Sarcoids in sheath?
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I had the vet out. Got the "fresh out of vet school" assistant, instead of the regular vet. She said something about squamous cell carcinoma as a possibility (which sounded BAD to me...but she did not seem worried). Did not think it was a lipoma (she thought it was inside the skin, not attached to the inside surface...which I gather is not a lipoma). Did not think it was a sarcoid. Agreed with you that we should just watch it. She said she would consult with the regular vet about it as well. So...I guess we will just watch. >Gail, > >I have also seen bumps on the sheath like this in response to an >insect bite. A local spot of inflammation occurs and then a little >fibrous bump results. This is a fairly large bump to be an insect bite, but who knows. THANK YOU for your response!
Re: Sarcoids in sheath?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gail, I have also seen bumps on the sheath like this in response to an insect bite. A local spot of inflammation occurs and then a little fibrous bump results. You might just keep a close watch on it. If it doesn't increase in size or change consistency then you might just save your money on the biopsy. > BTWmy vet figured that we "cured" the sarcoids that were there > by biopsying them...that it somehow might have ramped up his immune > response to them. The biopsy might have caused some local inflammation that allowed the body to penetrate the mass and build an immune response. Sarcoids are caused by a virus and somehow it isolates itself from the body so the body can't attack it. One old method for treating multiple sarcoids was to cut one off, grind it up and mix it with a solution. You would then inject this into the horse. This would be like making a vaccine to the sarcoid. One method I use for some sarcoids is to inject them with an immune stimulant that we use for respiratory infections. It seems doing anything to get the immune system to attack the mass helps recovery. Steve Steve White, DVM Sport Horse Veterinary Service Gretna, NE
Re: Sarcoids in sheath?
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 06:31 PM 2/19/2003 -0600, you wrote: >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Gail, > >It is possible that it could be a sarcoid, but it doesn't sound typical. >It could be a number of things. I would have it biopsied to know for >sure. It could be a lipoma, too. Is it bulging to the outside so that >you can see it with him just standing there? THANKS STEVE. It is about the size of an over-sized grape. Maybe it could be a lipoma. You can't really see it from the outside partly because the sheath skin is loose I suppose (if it were on his barrel I would guess it would show as a bulge due to its size). It is fully enclosed, well-encapsulated, and attached to the inside of the skin by an area that is maybe 1/2 inch wide by one inch longmaybe less. It feels like you can get your figures almost all the way around it. It is attached JUST to one side of the midline of his sheath, back fairly close to the testicles (where they were!). I will probably have it biopsied all right. BTWmy vet figured that we "cured" the sarcoids that were there by biopsying them...that it somehow might have ramped up his immune response to them. Thanks!
Re: Sarcoids in sheath?
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gail, It is possible that it could be a sarcoid, but it doesn't sound typical. It could be a number of things. I would have it biopsied to know for sure. It could be a lipoma, too. Is it bulging to the outside so that you can see it with him just standing there? Steve Steve White, DVM Sport Horse Veterinary Service Gretna, NE
Re: Sarcoids in sheath?
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Karen when you use the xterra I am sure your Vet told you to apply it three four days in a row? It smarts the second or third day but that means it is working. Charley's sheath was quite swollen and I gave him Banamine as needed. But it is nothing like the shots and seems localized. Yes it is expensive but it goes a long ways despite the tiny bottle. Unless you "slaver" it on of course. Good luck Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA Author:The Colonel's Daughter $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: Sarcoids in sheath?
This message is from: "Karen McCarthy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gail, I would definitely have the vet look at it before I invested in meds to get rid of itthe fact that it's under the skin, not sloughing or weepy/bleeding makes me wonder if it is something other than a sarcoid, but then again, maybe I have only been exposed to the messy, ugly variety...I have heard that there are several ways they can manifest themselves. If the vet says it's a real-honest-to-goodness sarcoid, then for sure I'd try the Ditton/Thuja from Chamisa (it worked for 2 of mine), or even the Xterra ointment that Jean Gayle used, which I have just gotten ahold of from my vet (yikes - that stuff is not cheap!) to try out on a 4 y.o. who has a sarcoid on the inside of her front leg, but it does't contact the girth or anything & is not painful. Good luck! Kmac Karen McCarthyGreat Basin Fjords :: Carson City, Nevadahttp://www.picturetrail.com/weegees Original Message Follows From: Jean Ernest Subject: Re: Sarcoids in sheath? "...If it isn't raw, and not growing, I wouldn't disturb it. Get some "Ditton" herbs from Chamisa Ridge and start him on them. Also get some "Thuja" ointment from ChamisaWell, that's my experince. Anybody else? KMac? Dr. Steve? " STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
Re: Sarcoids in sheath?
This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gail. the sarcoids on Charley's sheath and inner thigh were external and the xtera has done a great job. Yours sounds more like a (hopefully) fatty tumor or such. I am sure Steve can tell you. We are going to treat Charley one more time and finish the small bottle of xtera. The hardened skin is almost gone and where the skin turned white it is back to a natural color. This stuff really works. Good luck, Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA Author:The Colonel's Daughter $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
Re: Sarcoids in sheath?
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Gail, If it isn't raw, and not growing, I wouldn't disturb it. Get some "Ditton" herbs from Chamisa Ridge and start him on them. Also get some "Thuja" ointment from Chamisa. if the lump isn't on the surface the ointment probably won't have much effect but it won't harm anything.. Stella has had several probable sarcoids that I keep a watch on and they don't change much over the last several years. One lump on her back thigh has been there for years, gets a bit larger, then smaller. seems to shrink in the summer when she is eating green grass and dandelions, etc. She had one removed from her jaw several years ago,it had gotten raw. I then started feeding the Ditton herbs and it never recurred , even tho the lab felt the vet had not gotten all the sarcoid cells. I used the Thuja also on the incision. Well, that's my experince. Keep an eye on it, don't disturb unless it starts to grow, fester, etc. Anybody else? KMac? Dr. Steve? Jean in clear and somewhat cold Fairbanks, Alaska, bright sun today, +10F >were definitely sarcoids. We decided to wait to decide what to do...and >they went away by themselves sometime within the next six months. > > Now that same horse has a one inch firm lump in his sheath. It does not >appear to be normal, as it is attached more firmly to the skin on one side >of the midline of his sheath than it is on the other side. Could this be a >sarcoid that has gone "underground?" Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sarcoids in sheath?
This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi all, I have to call the vet out, but thought you all might know something about this that migh (or might not) put my mind at ease.. I have an eight year old black TB/Perch mix who developed sarcoids when he was five or six. Several, various, on his muzzle, and flank. The vet biopsied and said they were definitely sarcoids. We decided to wait to decide what to do...and they went away by themselves sometime within the next six months. Now that same horse has a one inch firm lump in his sheath. It does not appear to be normal, as it is attached more firmly to the skin on one side of the midline of his sheath than it is on the other side. Could this be a sarcoid that has gone "underground?" It is well-encapsulated, and firm (does not feel like a fatty tumor). It is not painful to manipulation. NOthing on the skin surface at all, this is under the loose folds of his sheath. I have been trying to search the internet on sarcoid + lump + sheath...but my service is unbelievably slow right now...and I am not finding much of interest. Gail
