Re: Stallion control?
This message is from: Anneli Sundkvist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pamela wrote: >>To set the record straight, here's what the book says " Horse breeding is mostly government subsidized. Stallions are owned by the government Studs. Distances are short, and mare owners can take their mares to the government stallions for a nominal fee. Therefore, why wouldn't they choose to breed to the best?">> We USED TO have such a system in Sweden. There is a historical background: more and more horses were needed for the army during the 19th Century and the people who was sent out to by horses from the breeders had a hard time finding suitable animals. Generally, they wanted warmblooded riding-horses that were still able to carry pretty much weight, but these animals were extremly hard to find. Most TB-stallions were owned by the nobility who did NOT want to let their horses cover the farmers mares, and didn't breed enough horses themselves for the need of the army. In order to provide the farmers with suitable stallions, the government bought stallions (most of them came from abroad), which the farmers could use on their mares. The army then bought the foals (if they were found to be of suitable type and size) as 3-year-olds and they were broken in and put into army work. The army payed the breeders well, which encouraged them to breed more horses of this type rather than the cob-like horses that had been bred before. As time went on, the government started horse-evaluations where mares and stallions were shown. If the horses were found to be of suitable type, they were registred in the stud book and the owner often got an amount of money as a prize, which of course encouraged people to evaluate their horses. After some time, only evaluated horses that were found to be good enough were allowed to be used for breeding, with the exception of the stallion owner's own mares. There was a law against the use of non-approved stallions. This system was originally designed for the army horses (today known as the Swedish Warmblood), but when a new breed was introduced the same system (evaluation & approval for breeding stallion) was used (but the government didn't Shetland ponies). People was used to having their horses evaluated and to use approved stallions. We still have a law against non-evaluated stallions. Note the diffrence between non-approved and non-evaluated - as long as your horse is evaluated it's ok (in the means of the law) to use him - no matter the result of the evaluation. Today, the government no longer has anything to do with the evaluation of horses, it's run by the breeding-organisations and the Swedish horse breeding society. Even though, it's not illegal to use an non-approved stallion as it used to be, there's no use, because the offspring won't be let into the stud book. If I have a stallion I can use him on my own mares without doing anything illegal. I can have him evaluated and let anybody use him. BUT if I want to breed horses that can be registred he must be approved, which means he has to pass the evaluation with 40 out of 50 point + do a working test (dressage & pulling for fjords). Regards Anneli ** Anneli Sundkvist Dept. of Archaeology & Ancient History St. Eriks torg 5 75310 Uppsala SWEDEN +46-18-4712082 (work) +46-18-553627 (home)
Re: Stallion control?
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> " Horse breeding is > mostly government subsidized. Stallions are owned by the government Studs. > Distances are short, and mare owners can take their mares to the government > stallions for a nominal fee. In Finland none of the stallions or mares are owned by the government. There used to be Finnish Universal (the national breed) stallions owned by the government a long time ago. Not all stallions used for breeding were owned by it, however. They used to be called 'stallions of the crown' referring to royalties, and Finland has been a republic since 1917. This has been very interesting and educating, thank you all. Sini.
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Very well written. There is nothing like education to stifle rumors. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sini, do you mean to say that Europe is actually coming out the mid ages? My my whatever next? I love Europe and just like our out back or hinterlands you have yours. But thinking and science and education are all top flight and up to date. Just your buildings are old And beautiful. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/15/00 4:23:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I know I've posted this before, but here goes again The government in The Netherlands does not control the breeding of stallions in any breed. Not Fjords, Not Friesians, Not Warmbloods, >> .. good post, very concise and informative. I think my interpretation came from doing so much reading and in trying to take it all in, sometimes I just skim highlights. But I did find where I got my notion about Government Controlled Breeding. It is from Carol, in her Fjordhorse Handbook. Page 112, to be exact. I got all the basic information correct, but it's funny how just one little word or phrase can make something sound like something it isn't. To set the record straight, here's what the book says " Horse breeding is mostly government subsidized. Stallions are owned by the government Studs. Distances are short, and mare owners can take their mares to the government stallions for a nominal fee. Therefore, why wouldn't they choose to breed to the best?" So, I got the meat of Carol's text correct, but left out the word "mostly". BTW, in looking this up, I was skimming the Handbook again, and was re-impressed with the hard work that went into this book. While certain aspects of Carol's horse care differs from mine (neither wrong, just different styles of perfectly adequate care) the research and homework Carol's done is just astounding! In my free time (yeah right, what the heck is free time?) I will try to squeeze some time in to reread (or reskim) the Handbook. Pamela
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know I've posted this before, but here goes again The government in The Netherlands does not control the breeding of stallions in any breed. Not Fjords, Not Friesians, Not Warmbloods, Not even Shetland Ponies the most popular breed of Pony in The Netherlands according to registry numbers, at least this was true several years ago. Each breed has a Studbook whose BOD is composed of regular people, no stallion owners however, just breed fanciers. It's possible, and I'm not even sure this is true, that the government subsidizes the studbooks, just like our government subsidizes farmers here in America. Horse breeding in Holland is considered an agricultural business and most of the horses are bred by dairy farmers as an addition to their dairy or farm income, so government subsidy doesn't seem unlikely. The individual Studbooks conduct all the business relating to their breed. If a stallion or mare is not awarded a breeding premium the owner is not prohibited from breeding that animal, however the registration papers issued for the offspring will be a different color alerting a potential buyer to the fact that this particular horse's parent or parents had not been awarded a breeding premium. Naturally most farmers in Holland, just like their American counterparts, can readily see the advantages of breeding only quality animals, and a great number of them continue through the keuring process adding premiums in performance and showing their animals at Fjord shows and keurings for many years, well after the original breeding premium was awarded. Much like a dairyman would take his prized bull or milk cow to a County Fair each year for the breed judging. Anyone who can point out the flaws in this incredibly fair handed system, be my guest.
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 2/15/00 2:24:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << ---That's not the case at least in Finland and I don't know of any other countries, either, that would have that kind of system. Which ones do you mean? >> I'm glad they don't do that in Finland. And I don't remember which countries DO control the stallions, but I believe Carol wrote a couple posts about how they do it in which country? Sorry Carol if I misquote you, feel free to correct me , but I "think" the line was something like this "there are only about 30 government approved stallions in .". Forgive me for not having the info right there accurately. I've got so much reading/email it's unbelievable. I had to quit one of my favorite email lists, as it generated over 300 emails..a day And I've got this list, which is very important to me, a clicker training list and three different Autism support lists. There is so much information filtering through my brain on a daily basis, it's sometimes hard to wade through all the info. And to be frank, my energies are concentrating mostly on information that can help my son if not conquer, at least deal with his autism. The ponies are my stress release and fun. So, can somebody else help me out and answer this question, which country or countries control the stallions? Thanks. Pamela
Stallion control?
This message is from: sini seppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I am personally very happy that the stallions in America are not controlled by the government, as from earlier posts I understand is done in Europe. ---That's not the case at least in Finland and I don't know of any other countries, either, that would have that kind of system. Which ones do you mean? There is an organisation which keeps registries of different breeds and works for the benefit of breeding in many ways and it is not under the government over here. And yes, things and policies do constantly progress even over here. ;-) Have a beautiful (spring?) day all Sini.
