RE: Tick Control
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My vet mentioned the same thing to methat onions and garlic have the same "poison" in themthough, of course, the effects are related to the dosage. Gail -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robin Churchill Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:43 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Tick Control This message is from: Robin Churchill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Actually there is an article outlining a very small study on the effects of garlic on horses and also several on the effects of allium (the component in onions, garlic and chives that reportedly causes the problem). Please see American Journal of Veterinary Research Volume 66 (3): 457-65 and American Journal of Veterinary Research Volume 61 (11): 1446-50 and others. The study in horses is certainly such small numbers that it is not statistically significant. However, I think there is probably some evidence for concern. I think everyone is free to feed their horse whatever they want and did not mean to be insulting in any way and do not feel I deserve to be attacked for bringing the issue up. I just wanted people to be aware to that there is some concern among veterinarians and others about garlic and onions for horses and dogs. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Tick Control
> > > I have used it on my horses the first year > I > > > had them. But now I have 6 horses > > > > > running around so that gets to be > expensive. > > > > > Another maybe not so well know remedy is > to > > > spray the dock of the tail with > > > > > some cheap hair spray. (Fred's, dollar > general > > > etc) > > > > > Not as toxic as spraying with bug spray > but > > > just as effective. > > > > > I haven't seen a tick on them now for the > past > > > year and a half. The downside > > > > > is that you have to do it every day or > every > > > other day. And it rains away. But > > > > > when it rains, I don't see any ticks on > them > > > anyhow. > > > > > Ellen. > > > > > > > > > > you wrote: > > > > > This message is from: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Has anyone used "EquiSpot" for tick > control? > > > > > We have had so many cases of Lyme disease > > > around here - > > > > > (Southern New Hampshire) and this year is > > > supposed to be the worst. > > > > > A friend mentioned "EquiSpot" - like the > > > Frontline one puts on dogs > > > > > for tick control with her horses. > > > > > Anyone try it? > > > > > Thanks - Nancy in NH > > > > > > > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found > at: > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > > > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found > at: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Tick Control
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The info you just gave on garlic is not correct. It does NOT give horses anemia. That was a scare created by some very un-informed people who took a study on feeding ONIONS to horses and extrapolated the info to garlic. There is no evidence that garlic causes anemia. I have researched this extensively. If you don't want to feed garlic, that is fine, but for anyone who wants to and was just scared by this misinformation, you can contact Horse Journal, or Springtime herbs, etc to check on it. Jen On 4/18/08, Robin Churchill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Robin Churchill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I know some people think garlic is great and it > probably does repel insects but it can give your horse > anemia and the dose that it takes to cause it is > apparently not well worked out. An explanation of the > mechanism is in the following link. Also just FYI, it > is not a good idea to feed your dogs onions, raisins > or grapes as they can be toxic to dogs. > > http://www.equisearch.com/horses_care/feeding/feed/eqgarlic528/ > > Robin in Florida > --- jen frame <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This message is from: "jen frame" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > I have tons of ticks in the woods surrounding my > > pasture. I used to > > pull a minimum of 15 ticks per day off each horse. I > > now have been > > feeding them garlic for a few years and it really > > works to keep the > > ticks off. Now I pull about 2 ticks off per week. > > Best brand of > > garlic is by Spring Time Herbs--very strong. > > Garlic is also good for many health issues such as > > an immune system > > boost, a natural antibiotic, anti-parasitic, etc. > > Jen > > > > On 4/16/08, Linda Lottie User > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This message is from: Linda Lottie User > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > I use the tick spray and wash the tails with tick > > shampoo...but, I think the > > > shampoo is hard on the dock. I am going to try > > the hair spray! > > > > > > Linda in WI > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/16/08 9:41 AM, "Ellen Barry" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > This message is from: Ellen Barry > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I have used it on my horses the first year I > > had them. But now I have 6 horses > > > > running around so that gets to be expensive. > > > > Another maybe not so well know remedy is to > > spray the dock of the tail with > > > > some cheap hair spray. (Fred's, dollar general > > etc) > > > > Not as toxic as spraying with bug spray but > > just as effective. > > > > I haven't seen a tick on them now for the past > > year and a half. The downside > > > > is that you have to do it every day or every > > other day. And it rains away. But > > > > when it rains, I don't see any ticks on them > > anyhow. > > > > Ellen. > > > > > > > > you wrote: > > > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Has anyone used "EquiSpot" for tick control? > > > > We have had so many cases of Lyme disease > > around here - > > > > (Southern New Hampshire) and this year is > > supposed to be the worst. > > > > A friend mentioned "EquiSpot" - like the > > Frontline one puts on dogs > > > > for tick control with her horses. > > > > Anyone try it? > > > > Thanks - Nancy in NH > > > > > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Tick Control
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The info you just gave on garlic is not correct. It does NOT give horses anemia. That was a scare created by some very un-informed people who took a study on feeding ONIONS to horses and extrapolated the info to garlic. There is no evidence that garlic causes anemia. I have researched this extensively. If you don't want to feed garlic, that is fine, but for anyone who wants to and was just scared by this misinformation, you can contact Horse Journal, or Springtime herbs, etc to check on it. Also: a very mis-informed blurb on the dangers of feeding horses garlic was written in a fairly recent horse magazine. They were scolded for it by people in the know, and they recanted their statement and said that indeed, garlic is not harmful to horses. The writer admitted that he/she had not done the research and were simply quoting another misinformed source. Up to you what to do with this controversy, but those of us who do feed garlic to our horses can attest to it's amazing efficacy without any negative side effects. Jen On 4/18/08, Robin Churchill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Robin Churchill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I know some people think garlic is great and it > probably does repel insects but it can give your horse > anemia and the dose that it takes to cause it is > apparently not well worked out. An explanation of the > mechanism is in the following link. Also just FYI, it > is not a good idea to feed your dogs onions, raisins > or grapes as they can be toxic to dogs. > > http://www.equisearch.com/horses_care/feeding/feed/eqgarlic528/ > > Robin in Florida > --- jen frame <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This message is from: "jen frame" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > I have tons of ticks in the woods surrounding my > > pasture. I used to > > pull a minimum of 15 ticks per day off each horse. I > > now have been > > feeding them garlic for a few years and it really > > works to keep the > > ticks off. Now I pull about 2 ticks off per week. > > Best brand of > > garlic is by Spring Time Herbs--very strong. > > Garlic is also good for many health issues such as > > an immune system > > boost, a natural antibiotic, anti-parasitic, etc. > > Jen > > > > On 4/16/08, Linda Lottie User > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This message is from: Linda Lottie User > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > I use the tick spray and wash the tails with tick > > shampoo...but, I think the > > > shampoo is hard on the dock. I am going to try > > the hair spray! > > > > > > Linda in WI > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/16/08 9:41 AM, "Ellen Barry" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > This message is from: Ellen Barry > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I have used it on my horses the first year I > > had them. But now I have 6 horses > > > > running around so that gets to be expensive. > > > > Another maybe not so well know remedy is to > > spray the dock of the tail with > > > > some cheap hair spray. (Fred's, dollar general > > etc) > > > > Not as toxic as spraying with bug spray but > > just as effective. > > > > I haven't seen a tick on them now for the past > > year and a half. The downside > > > > is that you have to do it every day or every > > other day. And it rains away. But > > > > when it rains, I don't see any ticks on them > > anyhow. > > > > Ellen. > > > > > > > > you wrote: > > > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Has anyone used "EquiSpot" for tick control? > > > > We have had so many cases of Lyme disease > > around here - > > > > (Southern New Hampshire) and this year is > > supposed to be the worst. > > > > A friend mentioned "EquiSpot" - like the > > Frontline one puts on dogs > > > > for tick control with her horses. > > > > Anyone try it? > > > > Thanks - Nancy in NH > > > > > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Tick Control (long)
This message is from: "Joe Glick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have been feeding my horses garlic from Springtime for a number of years and would hate to do without it. I feed it from April thru September, prime fly season. The results have been nothing but outstanding. It's my primary fly and tick control. Very seldom do I use fly spray, because it isn't necessary. Here is the link to Springtime: http://www.springtimeinc.com/product/29/1 A few years ago Horse Journal published an article condemning garlic. I was concerned and called Springtime to hear their side of the story. Springtime forwarded a letter to me that they sent to Horse Journal. Apparently the garlic used in the study was freeze-dried and Springtime uses air-dried garlic. Air-dried garlic does NOT cause anemia. I thought Horse Journal might make a correction, or at least a mention, in a following issue but they never did. I am very disappointed when a popular publication gives such a biased opinion. Here is the letter Springtime sent to Horse Journal: June 25, 2005 Horse Journal 6538 Van Buren Road Warners, NY 13164 Dear Editor, The results of the freeze-dried garlic study that you referenced in your July 2005 publication are important and significant but could lead the reader to erroneous conclusions. The doses given in the study were for freeze-dried garlic and must be extrapolated to derive raw garlic doses and cannot be applied at all to the air-dried garlic commonly fed to horses as an insect repellent. Almost three units of raw garlic cloves are required to produce one unit of freeze-dried garlic due to lost moisture. Therefore, a 4.4 oz portion of freeze-dried garlic fed twice daily would equal about 1 lb, 10 oz of raw garlic cloves. According to the study, this amount was fed daily over 30 consecutive days to achieve an anemic condition. That equates to almost 50 lbs of fresh garlic fed within a month period. In real life, no responsible horseman would try to feed this much garlic and no horse would eat it! Even more significant than dosing issues, however, is the distinction between raw and/or freeze-dried garlic and air-dried garlic. Raw garlic contains two chemicals (stored in separate chambers in the clove) which when combined in the presence of water form a highly active but extremely unstable oxidizing substance called allicin. Allicin, as noted in the study, is the substance that causes oxidation of red blood cells when fed in excessive amounts. In the freeze-drying process, also explained in the study, almost all water is removed before the garlic cloves are grated into powder. The preserved freeze-dried product will release allicin only after moisture is added back in during ingestion. In the air-drying process, garlic cloves are crushed in their raw form and then dried. The allicin is released when the cloves are crushed and within minutes metabolizes into other compounds. Air-dried garlic is therefore allicin free and cannot cause the red blood cell damage described in this study. Allicin and/or its metabolites create the characteristic garlic odor that we are all familiar with. Over millions of years, insects have evolved attractions to certain food scents and aversions to odors that signal possible harm. Insects will avoid the garlic odor even when no more allicin is present. That is why garlic oil preparations are effectively used on crops to repel pests and also why horses that eat air-dried garlic will, over a period of weeks, develop an effective protection against many varieties of biting insects. I believe that there is a great interest among your readers in practical, natural food products for their horses and I hope that your publication will provide them with more information on air-dried garlic. Sincerely, Dennis Hampt President The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Tick Control
This message is from: Robin Churchill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I know some people think garlic is great and it probably does repel insects but it can give your horse anemia and the dose that it takes to cause it is apparently not well worked out. An explanation of the mechanism is in the following link. Also just FYI, it is not a good idea to feed your dogs onions, raisins or grapes as they can be toxic to dogs. http://www.equisearch.com/horses_care/feeding/feed/eqgarlic528/ Robin in Florida --- jen frame <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "jen frame" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I have tons of ticks in the woods surrounding my > pasture. I used to > pull a minimum of 15 ticks per day off each horse. I > now have been > feeding them garlic for a few years and it really > works to keep the > ticks off. Now I pull about 2 ticks off per week. > Best brand of > garlic is by Spring Time Herbs--very strong. > Garlic is also good for many health issues such as > an immune system > boost, a natural antibiotic, anti-parasitic, etc. > Jen > > On 4/16/08, Linda Lottie User > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This message is from: Linda Lottie User > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > I use the tick spray and wash the tails with tick > shampoo...but, I think the > > shampoo is hard on the dock. I am going to try > the hair spray! > > > > Linda in WI > > > > > > > > On 4/16/08 9:41 AM, "Ellen Barry" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > This message is from: Ellen Barry > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Hi, > > > I have used it on my horses the first year I > had them. But now I have 6 horses > > > running around so that gets to be expensive. > > > Another maybe not so well know remedy is to > spray the dock of the tail with > > > some cheap hair spray. (Fred's, dollar general > etc) > > > Not as toxic as spraying with bug spray but > just as effective. > > > I haven't seen a tick on them now for the past > year and a half. The downside > > > is that you have to do it every day or every > other day. And it rains away. But > > > when it rains, I don't see any ticks on them > anyhow. > > > Ellen. > > > > > > you wrote: > > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Has anyone used "EquiSpot" for tick control? > > > We have had so many cases of Lyme disease > around here - > > > (Southern New Hampshire) and this year is > supposed to be the worst. > > > A friend mentioned "EquiSpot" - like the > Frontline one puts on dogs > > > for tick control with her horses. > > > Anyone try it? > > > Thanks - Nancy in NH > > > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Tick Control
This message is from: "jen frame" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have tons of ticks in the woods surrounding my pasture. I used to pull a minimum of 15 ticks per day off each horse. I now have been feeding them garlic for a few years and it really works to keep the ticks off. Now I pull about 2 ticks off per week. Best brand of garlic is by Spring Time Herbs--very strong. Garlic is also good for many health issues such as an immune system boost, a natural antibiotic, anti-parasitic, etc. Jen On 4/16/08, Linda Lottie User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Linda Lottie User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I use the tick spray and wash the tails with tick shampoo...but, I think the > shampoo is hard on the dock. I am going to try the hair spray! > > Linda in WI > > > > On 4/16/08 9:41 AM, "Ellen Barry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This message is from: Ellen Barry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Hi, > > I have used it on my horses the first year I had them. But now I have 6 > horses > > running around so that gets to be expensive. > > Another maybe not so well know remedy is to spray the dock of the tail with > > some cheap hair spray. (Fred's, dollar general etc) > > Not as toxic as spraying with bug spray but just as effective. > > I haven't seen a tick on them now for the past year and a half. The > downside > > is that you have to do it every day or every other day. And it rains away. > But > > when it rains, I don't see any ticks on them anyhow. > > Ellen. > > > > you wrote: > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Has anyone used "EquiSpot" for tick control? > > We have had so many cases of Lyme disease around here - > > (Southern New Hampshire) and this year is supposed to be the worst. > > A friend mentioned "EquiSpot" - like the Frontline one puts on dogs > > for tick control with her horses. > > Anyone try it? > > Thanks - Nancy in NH > > > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
the key to tick control
This message is from: "Janet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Is to have short green grass, no brush, and no tall dead grass in the pasture. I never pick up any ticks in our sheep pastures, nor do our horses, but the minute we step out into the woods or walk along the road (where the grass is allowed to grow tall and long) we pick up loads of them. It probably helps too, that we have livestock guard dogs that keep the deer out of the pastures. Janet The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Tick Control
This message is from: Linda Lottie User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I use the tick spray and wash the tails with tick shampoo...but, I think the shampoo is hard on the dock. I am going to try the hair spray! Linda in WI On 4/16/08 9:41 AM, "Ellen Barry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: Ellen Barry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hi, > I have used it on my horses the first year I had them. But now I have 6 horses > running around so that gets to be expensive. > Another maybe not so well know remedy is to spray the dock of the tail with > some cheap hair spray. (Fred's, dollar general etc) > Not as toxic as spraying with bug spray but just as effective. > I haven't seen a tick on them now for the past year and a half. The downside > is that you have to do it every day or every other day. And it rains away. But > when it rains, I don't see any ticks on them anyhow. > Ellen. > > you wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Has anyone used "EquiSpot" for tick control? > We have had so many cases of Lyme disease around here - > (Southern New Hampshire) and this year is supposed to be the worst. > A friend mentioned "EquiSpot" - like the Frontline one puts on dogs > for tick control with her horses. > Anyone try it? > Thanks - Nancy in NH > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Tick Control
This message is from: Linda Lottie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Actually, Nancy, I did try it and it did seem to work. Just so darn expensive for me as I have 7 horses. Ticks are a pblm all summer here.. Might use again unless I can come up with another plan. LJBL in WI > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com > Subject: Tick Control > Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:38:39 + > > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Has anyone used "EquiSpot" for tick control? > We have had so many cases of Lyme disease around here - > (Southern New Hampshire) and this year is supposed to be the worst. > > A friend mentioned "EquiSpot" - like the Frontline one puts on dogs > for tick control with her horses. > > Anyone try it? > > Thanks - Nancy in NH > > The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: > http://tinyurl.com/rcepw The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Tick Control
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Has anyone used "EquiSpot" for tick control? We have had so many cases of Lyme disease around here - (Southern New Hampshire) and this year is supposed to be the worst. A friend mentioned "EquiSpot" - like the Frontline one puts on dogs for tick control with her horses. Anyone try it? Thanks - Nancy in NH The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
