Re: Very clumsy 4 year old

2008-11-30 Thread Melinda Schumacher
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Kristie wrote:
On a side note, isn't it wonderful how the Fjords do seem to take care of us
in tricky situations whereas other horses are more inclined to worry and
rush through?

-Kristie



Given that I am relatively new to horse keeping, and everything my horses do
seems interesting and remarkable, I still think it is really amazing how my
two fjords navigate a short but steep and muddy hill that separates the
lower paddock by the house (where grain, water and hay are served) from the
upper large pasture.  Norrman, a 16 yr old gelding, very experienced at
driving from his former life, always lets 10 year old mare Mirakel go
first.  He watches and waits till she is completely down the hill and fully
out of the way before he starts down.  With the rain and mud of late, they
both ski the steepest portion part way down from the top, all four hooves
firmly planted.  They are so adept!  I follow behind last, plodding along
very slowly, hanging onto a non-hot strand of the fencemuch less
gracefully.  :)

Melinda
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Re: Very clumsy 4 year old

2008-11-30 Thread ewigley
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Regarding the very clumsy 4 year old
- put the saddle behind the shoulder and see if that helps.  If it does not, 
have a vet out, as it could be anything from just developmental clumsiness to a 
neurological problem/illness such as EPM.

Regarding the very steep hill that the Fjord skiis down with four legs 
straight and planted... if there is any way to get the hay and water up to the 
big pasture where this steep condition is not an issue, I'd strongly recommend 
it.  Even though our Fjordies are tough and goat-like, that steep and slick 
invites soft tissue injuries such as a suspensary tear.  If it's hard for you 
to get up and down, and the horse(s) take a long time to navigate it, I'd move 
their water and food to where they have easier access.

Emily
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Re: Very clumsy 4 year old

2008-11-30 Thread Nan Newton
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Kristie,

I agree.  I bet it's not an indication of lameness, but of course one can't
be sure.  I know that my Bjorni doesn't take a lame step when eating his way
through his field, or going to see what his friends are up to when they get
too far away.  He stumbles when he's being mindless, I think.  Just like his
owner - me, Nan.  

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Very clumsy 4 year old

2008-11-29 Thread Kristie Strange

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Is it fairly normal for a 4 y/o Fjord to be VERY clumsy?   My Izzy has days 
where she's pretty good on her feet, but also days where she can't seem to 
stay upright.She trips a LOT.   I've been told that young horses are 
especially clumsy, and that she will grow out of it as she matures, but she 
has more than once stumbled to her knees with me on her back.   I've never 
had her feet x-rayed.   Should I?   My farrier says her feet look great, and 
she seems prefectly sound.   We've even tried rolling her toes and such, but 
it doesn't seem to matter.   I wonder if it's her confirmation.  She has a 
very short neck and I have notice that she trips LESS when I ride in my 
abetta endurance saddle as opposed to my english saddle.Like my sitting 
a little farther back frees up her shoulders more.
Sometimes she doesn't stumble at all, but other times she makes up for it. 
:P


Thanks!

-KRistie

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Re: Very clumsy 4 year old

2008-11-29 Thread jgayle

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My first Fjord stumbled badly, especially in the canter. Only once with me 
as I learned that he was too close in the front legs, slightly knock kneed. 
I rode, now too old to, with soft hands and kept him balanced.  It was very 
difficult to get him into a canter and I was concerned for safety so usually 
we just trotted. A sweet boy who died young of a twisted gut. Check your 
horses front conformation at the stand and in motion.  Jean Gayle












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Re: Very clumsy 4 year old

2008-11-29 Thread Melissa Dowling

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Kristie,
   I would have her front fetlocks x-rayed. I had a 6-year-old gelding who 
began stumbling. X-rays revealed the devastating diagnosis of bilateral low 
ringbone. Sadly, after extracorporeal shockwave therapy and special shoes, I 
was forced to conclude that my riding plans for him were never going to be 
realized. He is now on permanent lease to a therapeutic riding program. You 
won't know what's going on inside until you have x-rays done. I hope for 
your sake that your Fjord is just a young horse, too much on the forehand, 
and that as she gets stronger, her stumbling will cease. Good luck!

Melissa Dowling
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Subject: Very clumsy 4 year old


This message is from: Kristie Strange [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is it fairly normal for a 4 y/o Fjord to be VERY clumsy?   My Izzy has days
where she's pretty good on her feet, but also days where she can't seem to
stay upright.She trips a LOT.   I've been told that young horses are
especially clumsy, and that she will grow out of it as she matures, but she
has more than once stumbled to her knees with me on her back.   I've never
had her feet x-rayed.   Should I?   My farrier says her feet look great, and
she seems prefectly sound.   We've even tried rolling her toes and such, but
it doesn't seem to matter.   I wonder if it's her confirmation.  She has a
very short neck and I have notice that she trips LESS when I ride in my
abetta endurance saddle as opposed to my english saddle.Like my sitting
a little farther back frees up her shoulders more.
Sometimes she doesn't stumble at all, but other times she makes up for it.
:P

Thanks!

-KRistie

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RE: Very clumsy 4 year old

2008-11-29 Thread Jean Ernest
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Kristie,

I think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned sitting too far
forward on the shoulders.  That would definitely make her stumble.   Why don't
you keep track of which saddle and where you are sitting when she stumbles.  I
see so many cases where the saddle is sitting too far forward:  I did it
myself at first trying to get a saddle to fit my mare with low withers.

Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, cloudy  and 0 degrees F.



 Is it fairly normal for a 4 y/o Fjord to be VERY clumsy?   My Izzy has days
 where she's pretty good on her feet, but also days where she can't seem to
 stay upright.She trips a LOT.   I've been told that young horses are
 especially clumsy, and that she will grow out of it as she matures, but she
 has more than once stumbled to her knees with me on her back.   I've never
 had her feet x-rayed.   Should I?   My farrier says her feet look great, and
 she seems prefectly sound.   We've even tried rolling her toes and such, but
 it doesn't seem to matter.   I wonder if it's her confirmation.  She has a
 very short neck and I have notice that she trips LESS when I ride in my
 abetta endurance saddle as opposed to my english saddle.Like my sitting
 a little farther back frees up her shoulders more.
 Sometimes she doesn't stumble at all, but other times she makes up for it.
 :P

 Thanks!
now.
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Re: Very clumsy 4 year old

2008-11-29 Thread Kristie Strange

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Thanks everyone, for the responses.

She doesn't stumble in the pasture.   We go riding with friends 1-2 times a 
week and leading her back to the barn from the trailer she trips a couple of 
times.   But only after the ride.   I don't notice the stumbling leading her 
TO the trailer.   So go figure.


I have often thought the english saddle is too far forward.   But she's so 
short backed.  The next time I ride in the english saddle I will slide it 
back some and see if that helps. I don't think anything is pinching her. 
It's a very ancient Crosby saddle, but the tree is sound and it seems to fit 
her well.  Granted, a new saddle is on our shopping list.   Before I 
inherited this lovely (sarcasim) Crosby I had a Duett Rondo which I LOVED 
but I jumped the gun and got a 38 and it ended up being too big.   I think 
we only need a 32 or 34.


I looked up ringbone and she really doesn't seem to have any symptoms.  No 
heat or swelling, or any ouchiness to her feet at all.   Of course I'll keep 
a close eye from here on out.


Yesterday I rode with friends and we did some programs and such in the field 
and Izzy wasn't as clumsy.


Thanks again for the comments and advice.   :)

-Kristie 


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Re: Very clumsy 4 year old

2008-11-29 Thread Nan Newton
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My 14 year old fjord always stumbles when we are on leisurely, easy going
walk rides.  But, when we are going up tricky paths in the mountains, or
down them, or if he is trotting, pulling a carriage, or jumping ditches he
is completely sure footed.  I think it's just a kind of distracted laziness.
I find if I get him to trot around bushes, change his pace from time to
time, and in general ask things of him, he doesn't stumble. Of course, I'm
not up for doing that all the time, so it's a bit annoying this sleep
walking of his 

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