canter/tripping
This message is from: Tish Pasqual [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from: cnielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] hey Pat, I just love the digest from misha nogha?? miss natural horse method.I don't know if she understood your bit about lunging. she always came up with off the wall ideas in the past. I assume that this message was supposed to be private, but since it went public I would like to say that I personally enjoy reading what Misha has to say, what Pat has to say, and usually what just about everyone has to say. I think the point here is that this is a forum and that all views are welcome. If nasty personal remarks about others on the list are necessary I suggest a review of the To: line before hitting Send.
Re: possible solution to canter/tripping problems
This message is from: cnielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] hey Pat, I just love the digest from misha nogha?? miss natural horse method.I don't know if she understood your bit about lunging. she always came up with off the wall ideas in the past. Allen called me today ---he forgot to look at your saddles. he is interested in the western one more. he was just telling me everything he has planned and, wondering if we were interested in buying a yearling stallion/ going in partnership anyways. I don't think were interested. if you have a chance could you copy the pages from the fjord herald about Karibou. I think it would be a good thing to have on hand. anyways I better get to bed, I just read that digest thing and went, oh gosh another NH person. their ways are always better don'tcha know. have a good day and I hope your wounds are healing. oh, Emmy and Elly say hi, so does yippee Kai. Randi - Original Message - From: Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 12:03 PM Subject: possible solution to canter/tripping problems This message is from: Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know who I'm directing this to, I'm new to this computer talk, but I have been working with horses for sometime and maybe able to help? I don't know about the Natural Horsemanship things. It sounds like it works nicely for some of you. I've been training horses for a living longer than I care to say and just learned from watching, asking and working for good trainers back in the days before Natural Horsemanship. Anyway I do ALOT of ground work with ALL of my horses before riding/driving. I start everything on a lunge line. I don't normally tell people this because lately I get a debate that its not good for a horse (as one of the people said on the list all it does is teach them to go in circles). I've been told it lames a horse (in all the years I've done this I do not recall an unsound horse, either body or mind).But anyway this is how I do it, I train for a living, but I don't sell training techniques, all I know is the results I get from from it has worked for me. I have never lunged a horse for more than an 1/2 hr. Usually 10, 15 or 20 min sessions. Depending on my horses age and attention span. I always lunge in a level area with good footing. At the end of a 25 ft lunge line. (50ft circle is good size). The first thing I use lunging for is discipline: They learn whoa, walk and easy trot from my voice, to stay the 25 ft distance away from me, to listen to me, keep their attention on me and to do what I ask them to do, when I ask it. They learn to change direction and do the same. Its simple work, not hard on them at all. Its basically insisting they to do something they would not normally do, because I'm telling them to do it. Just asking for manners. The second thing I use this for is assessment: Because I've always worked for breeders with alot of horses, I was the one who decided what horse did what, how far a horse could go, so by watching and asking something from the horses, I can tell the ones who will give more, which ones put up that wall when pushed, which ones get bored quickly, the ones that need for you to go slower, the ones that are athletic, I watch the way they move and the way they interact with me, etc etc .. then I change my training routine (slightly) for each of their personalities. I intoduce the bit, surcingle, saddle, harness and blinders off the lunge line. I find once they know my voice and what my voice means by its levels and influx they accept all the new things with trust. (If I use HEY in a harsh way it means I want your attention now, but a soft god girl, calms.) I've found my words sometimes are like a warm blanket when he needs it or a quick reprimand when they are out of line. This communication is needed for a lifetime with your horse. They lady who wrote about the horse dragging her around, the front heavy, leaning tripping horses, sometimes it's a matter of attention. I use lunging for conditioning, which I think is a big part of the canter problem and tripping, I think its unfair to ask a horse to carry a rider and adjust its balance when they are soft. Watch a horse sometimes work and the muscles they use at the walk, trot and canter, and then add the fact all horses (not just Fjords) naturally carry something like 60 some plus percent of its weight on its front end. I also use lunging for working down before riding, cooling down after riding, detecting lameness, evaluatiing a new horse, developing cadence, rhythm, steadiness, I use it at horse shows to let them see the surroundings. And somedays when I'm just tired or sore or sick and I know I might not have the patience for a full workout on their back or in a cart, I lunge just to work him. We have 23 Fjords here now, and some canter naturally and lightly, on or off the bit, collected or at a hand gallop. They tend
Re: possible solution to canter/tripping problems
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pat that was a really great plug for lungeing. I have always used it for many of the same reasons. I have had horses I would never get on until I lunged them to get the kinks and bucks out on the line. It would give me a good idea of their personality for the day. Only my two fjords were not lunged unless I had a long lay off and wanted to see their attitude. Much can be learned for the horse and the owner on the lunge. It is a training tool par excellance' and especially re learning the masters voice commands. Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
possible solution to canter/tripping problems
This message is from: Pat [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know who I'm directing this to, I'm new to this computer talk, but I have been working with horses for sometime and maybe able to help? I don't know about the Natural Horsemanship things. It sounds like it works nicely for some of you. I've been training horses for a living longer than I care to say and just learned from watching, asking and working for good trainers back in the days before Natural Horsemanship. Anyway I do ALOT of ground work with ALL of my horses before riding/driving. I start everything on a lunge line. I don't normally tell people this because lately I get a debate that its not good for a horse (as one of the people said on the list all it does is teach them to go in circles). I've been told it lames a horse (in all the years I've done this I do not recall an unsound horse, either body or mind).But anyway this is how I do it, I train for a living, but I don't sell training techniques, all I know is the results I get from from it has worked for me. I have never lunged a horse for more than an 1/2 hr. Usually 10, 15 or 20 min sessions. Depending on my horses age and attention span. I always lunge in a level area with good footing. At the end of a 25 ft lunge line. (50ft circle is good size). The first thing I use lunging for is discipline: They learn whoa, walk and easy trot from my voice, to stay the 25 ft distance away from me, to listen to me, keep their attention on me and to do what I ask them to do, when I ask it. They learn to change direction and do the same. Its simple work, not hard on them at all. Its basically insisting they to do something they would not normally do, because I'm telling them to do it. Just asking for manners. The second thing I use this for is assessment: Because I've always worked for breeders with alot of horses, I was the one who decided what horse did what, how far a horse could go, so by watching and asking something from the horses, I can tell the ones who will give more, which ones put up that wall when pushed, which ones get bored quickly, the ones that need for you to go slower, the ones that are athletic, I watch the way they move and the way they interact with me, etc etc .. then I change my training routine (slightly) for each of their personalities. I intoduce the bit, surcingle, saddle, harness and blinders off the lunge line. I find once they know my voice and what my voice means by its levels and influx they accept all the new things with trust. (If I use HEY in a harsh way it means I want your attention now, but a soft god girl, calms.) I've found my words sometimes are like a warm blanket when he needs it or a quick reprimand when they are out of line. This communication is needed for a lifetime with your horse. They lady who wrote about the horse dragging her around, the front heavy, leaning tripping horses, sometimes it's a matter of attention. I use lunging for conditioning, which I think is a big part of the canter problem and tripping, I think its unfair to ask a horse to carry a rider and adjust its balance when they are soft. Watch a horse sometimes work and the muscles they use at the walk, trot and canter, and then add the fact all horses (not just Fjords) naturally carry something like 60 some plus percent of its weight on its front end. I also use lunging for working down before riding, cooling down after riding, detecting lameness, evaluatiing a new horse, developing cadence, rhythm, steadiness, I use it at horse shows to let them see the surroundings. And somedays when I'm just tired or sore or sick and I know I might not have the patience for a full workout on their back or in a cart, I lunge just to work him. We have 23 Fjords here now, and some canter naturally and lightly, on or off the bit, collected or at a hand gallop. They tend to be the ones physically balanced. I was only working for Howard and Sophie a short time when I asked a little very stocky heavy little mare to trot and she tripped, I went over her head and landed in front of Sophie, I think she thought she just hired an idiot! I didn't get hurt, I was laughing because the mare scooped up about a lb of sand in her nose holes and was blowing it out like a whale. The canter/ tripping problem does not come only with the Fjords, back when I was young, thin and cute riding a bunch of QH's there was a particular bloodline (I will not mention) that were particularly clumsy a few of us who had to ride them wanted a class made for us, calling it Start, Stumble and Fall. I guess I've gone on to long, sorry. Please don't take anything I've said offensively. Pat Holland
