Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #220
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 10:31 PM 10/24/98 -0300, you wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hi Everybody from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia. A message to Mike May. Mike, I've been repetive (to say the least.) I admit to nagging. I may have annoyed some people in the process. - However, (squeaky wheel and all that) it did get people talking, and good suggestions surfaced. Yes I will admit a lot of good discussion has come from the topics you have brought up. Mike, you joked about the NFHR's taking 14 years to produce a standard. You said Norway took 2,000 years to write theirs. That's true!However, they had the standard in their heads all the time. Those men knew, when looking at a Fjordhorse, if it was true to type or not. They'd learned at their grandfather's knees how to judge a Fjord. A written standard was not vital to them. That is why in the early days we had Jon Hegdal and his associates here every year helping us. Bob van Bon was also here many times teaching us. When the Norwegian evaluations were going on it was required that a judge from here was with them (so they could learn). Many of the judges also traveled to Norway for this same thing. Wayne, Jim Havelhurst, Karen Cabic, Mary Woolverton to name a few. I know there were more than this also. The NFHR BOD decided that when our evaluation system was finally developed that we would not use the Norwegian or Dutch systems any longer. We need standards and that is the way they decided to have them. One evaluation system is enough for any one country I think. I doubt that Norway or the Netherlands will want to use ours either. We haven't had that heritage. Breeders produced, and American judges judged all those years without benefit of a breed standard. This wasn't necessary. We didn't have to reinvent the wheel. The NFHR could have adopted the Dutch standards. They existed in written form. How simple it would have been to hire a translator. --- And if anybody says that Dutch standards are different than Norwegian standards, well it isn't so. Up until recently, the Dutch went every year to Norway and bought some of Norway's best stallions. Stallions like Gjest and Solar. Both of them born and approved in Norway, and purchased by the Dutch Studbook. All water over the dam Carol. The PRESENT BOD HAS adopted a Breed Standard. It IS approved and it is posted on the Internet for all to see. This is all water under the bridge as we now have a Breed Standard. I'm simply pointing out that if the NFHR didn't continually insist on doing things in their own, unique way, we'd have had a standard fifteen years ago. In the meantime, fifteen years of breed shows have come and gone. Those shows judged by Arab judges, Morgan judges, QH judges with no written standard to go by. They judged our Fjords as best they could, and breeding decisons were made on the basis of their placings. Think about it. Again more water over the dam or under the bridge. Lets move on with it. We can't change what has happen in the past. Our present BOD is more than willing to make changes and to move this organization into a real professional Registry for the Fjord Horse in North America. Through all my repetition and nagging, I've said the NFHR needs to get cracking and begin to do things other registries do.--- A Rule Book, for instance. A Stud Bood, for another. Breed Promotion. A member's package. Proper Annual Meetings. More communication from the board. The NFHR needs to learn from others registries. Not continually reinvent the wheel. All things that are going to be worked on. The stud book for instance will be produced early next year. The new software that we are now in the process of converting to is going to make it possible finally. I talked to a breeder today who suggested after each conference call, the minutes be mailed to members. Great suggestion. They could also be put on the NFHR's web page. Otherwise, we must wait to read it in the Herald, but there's often a FOUR MONTH delay between conference calls and the appearance of the herald. Is this acceptable? I'm not happy with it! Well, posting them on the home page is probably not a bad idea. Storrs and I just talked the other day about posting them here on the list. We also talked about putting the agenda here for discussion about a week before the meeting. So be looking for it soon. As to mailing the minutes to every member, I am sure you know how much time and effort that is since you have purchased mailing labels from me in the past. I just sent out the Stallion Breeding reports to the Stallion owners last week. It is a very time consuming job to say the least. It is also a fairly costly one. With postage at $0.32 it would cost $224.00 for the postage alone. Add to that the envelops, paper labels and you are near the $$400 - 500 mark. I don't think it
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #220
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hi Everybody from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia. A message to Mike May. Mike, I've been repetive (to say the least.) I admit to nagging. I may have annoyed some people in the process. - However, (squeaky wheel and all that) it did get people talking, and good suggestions surfaced. Mike, you joked about the NFHR's taking 14 years to produce a standard. You said Norway took 2,000 years to write theirs. That's true!However, they had the standard in their heads all the time. Those men knew, when looking at a Fjordhorse, if it was true to type or not. They'd learned at their grandfather's knees how to judge a Fjord. A written standard was not vital to them. We haven't had that heritage. Breeders produced, and American judges judged all those years without benefit of a breed standard. This wasn't necessary. We didn't have to reinvent the wheel. The NFHR could have adopted the Dutch standards. They existed in written form. How simple it would have been to hire a translator. --- And if anybody says that Dutch standards are different than Norwegian standards, well it isn't so. Up until recently, the Dutch went every year to Norway and bought some of Norway's best stallions. Stallions like Gjest and Solar. Both of them born and approved in Norway, and purchased by the Dutch Studbook. This is all water under the bridge as we now have a Breed Standard. I'm simply pointing out that if the NFHR didn't continually insist on doing things in their own, unique way, we'd have had a standard fifteen years ago. In the meantime, fifteen years of breed shows have come and gone. Those shows judged by Arab judges, Morgan judges, QH judges with no written standard to go by. They judged our Fjords as best they could, and breeding decisons were made on the basis of their placings. Think about it. Through all my repetition and nagging, I've said the NFHR needs to get cracking and begin to do things other registries do.--- A Rule Book, for instance. A Stud Bood, for another. Breed Promotion. A member's package. Proper Annual Meetings. More communication from the board. The NFHR needs to learn from others registries. Not continually reinvent the wheel. I talked to a breeder today who suggested after each conference call, the minutes be mailed to members. Great suggestion. They could also be put on the NFHR's web page. Otherwise, we must wait to read it in the Herald, but there's often a FOUR MONTH delay between conference calls and the appearance of the herald. Is this acceptable? I'm not happy with it! Anyway, I'm pleased to read all the good suggestions, and also pleased that I'm not the only one who thinks things could be done better and/or differently. Best Regards, Carol Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #220
This message is from: Evers [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 03:59 AM 10/24/98 -0600, I wrote: fjordhorse-digest Saturday, October 24 1998 Volume 98 : Number 220 I did I hope others will help in pushing the BOD to put the rules on paper so we will all know CONTINUE TO KEEP THIS A PURE BREED By the way I believe someone is breeding outside the breed (They can.t all come from Canada ) As we have come across many that are not Reg. Friend ? Tillie This message is from: Ursula Jensen - -- TillieA couple of points.the NFHR does have it's rules and regulations on paper.They have also been published occasionally in the Herald... We joined the NFHR in August this year. WE have nothing to show for it Nothing but a canceled ck.And the Herald this mo. the 2 back issues Mike sent me. These I read read treasure . I don't' loan them out for fear I will not get them back cause everyone that see mine ask if they can have it to read. Also, I take offense to your comment they can't all come from Canada My bad choise of my words. What are you implying? so a comment like that has far-reaching effects...Are you implying that cross-breeding in Canada is rampant? I bet if all the info were in you'd find that less desirable breeding practices are widespread on both sides of the border. Shame on YOUSome of us Canadians work real hard and have a passionate concern to maintain the integrity of this Breed. Your insensitive comment hurts me but also makes me very angry. I apologise, No way did I mean what you took offense on. I am referring to when we were looking at horses ,conversations, email letters from people , that had Fjord ,horses we were looking to buy , There were some That had mares that were bred they stated that we could get papers in USA, then we asked if they were Reg anywhere they no . Most also said they came from canada.This I didn't believe. there for we didn't purchase. We wanted NFHR or CANADA REG. horses. I am sorry for the way I put the words didn't write what I meant. Please Forgive me, Ursula , Friend ??? Tillie -- I did I hope others will help in pushing the BOD to put the rules on paper so we will all know CONTINUE TO KEEP THIS A PURE BREED By the way I believe someone is breeding outside the breed (They can.t all come from Canada ) As we have come across many that are not Reg. Friend ? Tillie - -- TillieA couple of points.the NFHR does have it's rules and regulations on paper I wish I had them! .They have also been published occasionally in the Herald...Often people don't read things like that unless the matter applies or interests them at that moment.I'm sure Mike gets frustrated because he sends material out and some of it probably ends up in file 13 and then people plead ignorance later. I sure wish I had the back issue. Steve Wrote The only thing that I remember receiving from the NFHR when we first joined was a business card that we could write our names on as a membership card. There was no packet containing rules and descriptions of incentive programs. The idea that occasionally publishing things in the Herald is not good enough. We need a booklet of the rules and regulations of the organization that is part of every New Member package. Probably the same booklet could contain the charter and bylaws of the organization The New Member package could also contain brochures on the various incentive programs, and maybe one outlining the Evaluation process. -- Steve McIlree Cynthia Madden -- Pferd, Keyah, Skipper, Tank -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA This is what my whole thoughts were, only I am not smart enough to put it on paper what I do write comes on wrong , Mary Thurman Wrote , To Wayne Because of what I learned here, I was able to give an intelligent response to this. Not just emotional, but somewhat learned. Thank You . Thats what I want to say also Of Wayne anyone who has given us information to know understand the Fjord. I hope you all are my Friends when I ask A question its dumb sounding , I except all corrective critizium . Cant we all just get along Be helpful I guess we should all be thankful we have the knowlege to ask questions when in doubt. about Fjords. I have learned more on this P/C with editing , but am sorry it was not meant to be a book. A beautiful fall day in Central Oregon Tillie
Re: fjordhorse-digest V98 #220
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joel a harman) This in in response to Ursula Jensen's comments about what Tillie Evers wrote. Maybe you should read her first post again. She said something to the effect that she had heard that many cross breeds come from Canada. I don't recall where she stated ALL of the crossbreeds come from Canada. I know that Tillie is new to fjords. How is she going to learn without asking questions? I've often heard it said that there are no stupid questions - just unintelligent responses to the questions. May I ad a shame on you? When is the last time you went to a show where someone kept a mare in the stud pen area at a show? The only place I've seen it is at a fjord show. While I am on a roll here I seem to remember your husband Brian commenting on how someone had their horse in shafts hooked incorrectly. Shortly after the horse went by his trailer there was a wreck. Think that could have been avoided by offering some constructive criticism? Shame on both of you! Joel Harman ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
