Re: fjords and dressage
This message is from: laurie with i am finding the discussion about fjords and dressage very interesting, but from a different perspective. when i got Oz, i got started in dressage because in many cases that’s the only type of boarding facility you can find in a certain area. you have very little options, at least where i was, to do anything else. and most barns expect you to take lessons, since that is their source of income. Oz had dressage experience with his former owner, so it wasn’t a bad thing for me to learn. it taught me balance and the value of a good seat, etc., but it was never my goal when i got a horse. it was just what was where i was. i think, and this is just my opinion, so please don’t flame me, that dressage seems to get elevated to the level of being the pinnacle of what you can do with your horse. it’s nice to see western dressage coming along, which gives us a more relaxed version of it, though i know that some dressage riders look down on it as not real…….hey, dressage means training, and that’s what it encompasses, no matter what the saddle and clothing look like. so…..what did i want when i got my first horse, was back in 2001? a horse. a horse i could ride around our pastures, and have a nice, relaxed time. i didn’t even know what dressage was. and i am not saying i didn’t love all the time i spent with my beloved Oz, even though we were at dressage barns until he retired. now, at almost 68 (and i don’t know how that happened!!), i have the lovely Skylar (nicknamed short-round) at a little private place, where i can ride her or not, depending on my day, not being required to take lessons, but able to just hack her out in her pasture, the hayfield or gravel driveway…..or just the indoor and free lunge her, letting her buck, canter and squeal. Can she do dressage? Yes, she has. but now is our time to just be. laurie with livingi...@q.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
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This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ARgh! Seems like I can't find the picture in question to check my theory out, but the way I remember the picture, I think the horse was wearing a traditional Iberian bridle. They often have leather straps haning from the centre of the bow band. Some Andalusian person once told me that it was for decoration and to stress the beat when the horse moves in passage etc. Sounds a bit strange to me, but that's what she said. We too have 'fly-veils' that consists of brow bands with straps all the way. Regards Anneli * Anneli Sundkvist Department of Archaeology & Ancient History Uppsala University St. Eriks Torg 5 S-753 10 Uppsala Sweden Phone: +46-18-4712082 (dept.) +46-18-553627 (home)
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This message is from: "M.Bijster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Marion, we have a leather fly bonnet with strips of leather but it hangs >completely around the face. The one on yours there appears to be only on >the front away from the eyes. Yes we have all kinds of fly halters, net, >leather, plastic including ear protectors also. Jean > > > > >Jean Gayle > I thought you had once in a while I buy the Western Horseman and see advertisements for protection against flies why the thing that are sold here hang only in the front, I really don't know It seems so more logical when the strips hang all around the head greetings, Marion, Holland
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Marion, we have a leather fly bonnet with strips of leather but it hangs completely around the face. The one on yours there appears to be only on the front away from the eyes. Yes we have all kinds of fly halters, net, leather, plastic including ear protectors also. Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: "M.Bijster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -, >I too, wondered what that was. Hope you can satisfy our curiosity. Carol M. > >Jean Gayle wrote: > >> This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>. What is that face piece of harness? Jean >> >> it is against flies around the eyes you can hang it on the front it are long pieces of leather or fabric don't you have that in America ??? I ride Hansje every summerday with it Marion, Holland
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This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, I too, wondered what that was. Hope you can satisfy our curiosity. Carol M. Jean Gayle wrote: > This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Hey Ingrid that was a great picture of Barbara. I do not know her but she is > obviously having a great time. What is that face piece of harness? Jean > > Jean Gayle > Aberdeen, WA > [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" > Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] > http://www.techline.com/~jgayle > Barnes & Noble Book Stores -- "Built FJORD tough" Carol M. On Golden Pond
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey Ingrid that was a great picture of Barbara. I do not know her but she is obviously having a great time. What is that face piece of harness? Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes & Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: Ingrid Ivic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi everyonewas surfing the net for dressage pics/info and look what I came up with: http://www.dressageunltd.com/germany/articles/reken/fjord.htm Neat huh? Ingrid in Ohio
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rivoire) Hello from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia - Congratulations to Elaine Olsen and BDF IDAR on their first wins of the 2000 season. Elaine has just moved Idar up from Training Level, and the pair has proven they can do it at First Level as well. Elaine did one class at Training Level as a warmup, and they won that one. Then, she did her first First Level class, and won that as well. The judge had lots of very nice compliments, including something like - "You certainly get a lot out of that little horse." -- Elaine commented to me that what the judge doesn't know is that Idar gives so much on his own. When Elaine emailed me about this latest win, I reminded her that she and Idar had placed first or second (mostly first) every time out, except the California Championships where they placed 6th, I believe it was. --- Elaine said, "I do believe you're right. I'm always amazed when I go to the competitions and see these gorgeous Warmbloods warming up. I always say to myself, Oh my God, I don't stand a chance." --- So much for dressage judges having breed prejudice. Naturally, as the breeder of BDF Idar, we are very proud of him, but knowing he doesn't do it alone, we're also very grateful to his talented and hardworking owner. Regards, Carol Rivoire Carol and Arthur Rivoire Beaver Dam Farm Fjords II R.R. 7 Pomquet Antigonish County Nova Scotia B2G 2L4 902 386 2304 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/beaverdf
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This message is from: Pat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A son of Rei Halsnaes is the guy jumping on the Dutch Web site. That fence is nothing to laugh at and he's doing it with apparent ease, he doesn't need to climb a mountain in Norway he could jump it, I agree,... what is the standard, maybe the draft isn't what the original Fjord was all about? > > > > > s > Rei Halsnaes. The Norwegian breeders that were there went on to tell me how > great Rei Halsnaes was and sired many great moving Fjords. I assume this is > definitely to the Fjord Standard or they wouldn't be in the stud book. >
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paula, I think you have brought up some very interesting points. I too, am relatively new to Fjords (5 years) and I have both "types" of Fjords. Oddly, the one that is heavier in body mass and bone and shear bulk, is the one that I have started to compete in dressage. My other one, the first Fjord I purchased has an outstanding face and appeal, but struggles with his canter and has been a stumbler from day one. I had my neck "whiplashed" by his stumbles more times than I wish to count. Shoeing, vetting, training, did not really change this. Recently, I was looking a a Norwegian magazine that had featured the top Norwegian Studs and was amazed how big and beautiful their gaits looked. I was especially taken with a stallion, Buggedals Foss whose grandfather was Rei Halsnaes. The Norwegian breeders that were there went on to tell me how great Rei Halsnaes was and sired many great moving Fjords. I assume this is definitely to the Fjord Standard or they wouldn't be in the stud book. Maybe some of the breeding of late has strayed from the standard. I think the Fjord still needs to be functional and safe to ride, but unfortunately quite a few that I have ridden are almost scary to canter because you feel they are going to wipe out.
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This message is from: Paula Steinmetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I will probably get "flamed" from what I am about to say here, but this is a forum for exchanging ideas, so here goes. I am relatively new (less than 5 years) to the Fjord breed having been in warmbloods for many years. BTW, I could have purchased several VERY NICE Fjords for what I spent on vet bills with those critters over the years. I find the inherent soundness of the Fjord breed very attractive...but I digress. The recent discussion concerning Fjords and dressage, or going right to the bottom-line, draft vs riding type, I think some of the breeders on the list - large and small scale - only need to look at an old picture of Rosendalsborken and compare this visual "ideal" to their herds. We (NFHR members) "say" we are breeding to this standard, but a visual comparison would seriously argue that point. If we were, we would have an horse suitable for both riding and driving - a horse of versatility - also a breed standard. From my observation, it ain't happenin' folks! Two other observations for the breeders on the list. The median age is creeping upward - some in my field (marketing), refer to this trend as the "graying of America." Yep, hate to say it, folks, but we ARE all getting older - and the demand for quieter, sensible horses is out there - big time. The other point - as the population of the planet approaches 6 billion people - it's getting crowded here on terra firma - some in the western states might argue that point...but not for much longer! I am located in the Midwest and what has happened to my riding "space" in the past 10 years astounds me! There is hardly room for trailing riding anymore much less driving! More and more people will be looking for riding horses as the "space" for horsepeople continues to shrink and our horse interactions are confined to arenas and other small spaces. I'm not referring specifically to dressage here; dressage is just good, basic training after all. Some may like those big, thick low set necks and chunky bodies, but a horse that has difficulty cantering - because of its confirmation - is NOT a riding horse. IMHO. The trends are there and "smart" marketing would say breed to meet the demand... breeding for the Rosendalsborken ideal would make economic sense.
Fjords and Dressage
This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] My dressage instructor has been enlighted about Fjords in the past month. While I have been forbidden horse activities for the past few weeks, my friend and instructor has been riding Tank for me. While I have always considered her open minded in the breed category, her recent acquisition of a Lippizan has made her a little breed blind. Anyway, when she started riding Tank she said that maybe he could do first level work and eventually 2nd level. After riding him a couple of times, she started saying maybe he could do up to third level work - now she is up to at least 4th level and talking about how smart he is and how nicely he works and how quickly he learns! Her last quote, "this guy is really fun!" Of course, this has always been my opinion! Cynthia Madde Omaha, Nebraska USA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
