Re: helmets - trying to push them on people who don't use them.
This message is from: "Beth" I had a very similar experience and ended up with a concussion.. at that time I didn't wear a helmet...( back in the seventys..) However from that day on I have worn a helmet and no one rides here without one.. no helmet no ride.. So far no one has argued with me here. Doesn't matter how good a rider or how well trained a horse is.. accidents happen. Beth in Maine where we are having winter chill in October..:( were "Good Riders" so didn't need a helmet!. Well, the time my helmet really saved my head was when my well broke, gentle Fjord STUMBLED unexpectedly and went down on his nose, and I went over his head landing on my head, felt the shock down my whole > Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: helmets - trying to push them on people who don't use them.
This message is from: Starfire Farm plumg...@pon.net wrote: A person on this list (who can pipe up if she wants to) started wearing a helmet after the day that she was riding in a Buck Branaman clinic. The horses were lined up at a standstill in front of Buck, and Buck was teaching how to get horses to cross over in front to move their front quarters. Buck had the end of the mecarte, and the rider had the reins (as I understand it). The horse got his legs tangled up and went down in the arena (think soft dust arena). The rider ended up with a concussion. Yea, that was me. I still don't remember the horse going down. All I remember is being on the horse and looking down at Buck thinking, "Gee, I have the best seat in the house." Next thing I remember is looking up at Buck (as he was right at my side) and wondering who he was and where I was. They said I was out for over a minute (and my poor mom was there and saw the whole thing). I have had several horses go down with me during my lifetime (young, green colts) and I always thought that I would be able to handle it, like I had in the past. This time, I never had a chance to do anything about it. Very experienced horse trainers, who watched the event, told me that it happened so quickly that I never had a chance to prepare for the horse going down. Once I had my wits about me, I asked Buck about it and he said that he thought the horse might have crossed both front and hind legs at the same time, but it happed so quickly that even he wasn't sure. The arena was very well worked, several inches deep and soft, but the whiplash effect of the horse coming down with me really created a lot of force. Could I have fractured my neck because I was wearing a helmet? Perhaps. Who can know that? With the location of the bruise on the side of my head, I don't think my neck would have fractured, but it's after the fact and I will never know. Prior to that, I never had a problem riding those spinny kind of carnival rides, etc. Now, I have to be careful about how I go about my day, because I can get vertigo at the drop of a hat, ten years after the accident. So, stuff happens, even under the best of circumstances. Even with all of that wonderful preparation, whatever program you work with, horses can still spook and horses can fall. Beth -- Starfire Farm Beth Beymer and Sandy North http://www.starfirefarm.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
RE: Re: helmets - trying to push them on people who don't use them.
This message is from: "plumg...@pon.net" HmmmI wonder what that instructor would say after being sued for the cost of caring for an invalid for the rest of their life. A contingency-only lawyer would love that set of facts. Someone on another list wrote to the Parellli organization and got the same story. That person was actually starting a letter writing campaign to the Parelli organization...but for now...what you got is the "Parelli line." A person on this list (who can pipe up if she wants to) started wearing a helmet after the day that she was riding in a Buck Branaman clinic. The horses were lined up at a standstill in front of Buck, and Buck was teaching how to get horses to cross over in front to move their front quarters. Buck had the end of the mecarte, and the rider had the reins (as I understand it). The horse got his legs tangled up and went down in the arena (think soft dust arena). The rider ended up with a concussion. So...you can get hurt with a broke horse, at a near standstill, on a soft arena, in a deep-seated western saddle, with an experience rider AND Buck Branaman on the end of the lead rope. Gail When I took a Parelli clinic here, the instructor ridiculed me for wearing a helmet, saying that Parelli teaches you and your horse to be safe and Parelli students don't fall offsomething like that. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: helmets - trying to push them on people who don't use them.
This message is from: Lola Lahr If you have good insurance and make a choice that results in your using it in the way Robin describes, you are driving up the cost of health insurance for the rest of us too. That also is unfair. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Lola Lahr wrote: > Amen Robin > > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Robin Churchill wrote: > >> This message is from: Robin Churchill >> >> I guess if you have good insurance, including long-term care insurance >> then it is your business whether you wear a helmet or not. Unfortunately >> most people who get a serious head injury don't seem to have planned on >> needing medical care for the rest of their lives, so the taxpayers are >> paying for their care which I think is unfair. It is pretty clear that >> wearing a helmet decreases the risk of serious head injury but we all know >> that nothing protects us 100% of the time, particularly when we sustain some >> other type of injury that the helmet was not designed to prevent. I have >> only fallen 4 times and every time I was wearing a helmet. Once I saw stars >> and technically probably had a mild concussion and another time recently, I >> broke the helmet. Come see what somebody with a serious head injury looks >> like lying in the ICU and then decide if you want to wear your helmet or >> not--it's generally not a pretty sight. It bears little resemblance to what >> they show >> on TV. >> >> >> Robin in SW Florida where there is supposed to be a cold front this >> weekend to get the temps down into the 70s >> >> Important FjordHorse List Links: >> Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e >> FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw >> Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: helmets - trying to push them on people who don't use them.
This message is from: Lola Lahr Amen Robin On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Robin Churchill wrote: > This message is from: Robin Churchill > > I guess if you have good insurance, including long-term care insurance then > it is your business whether you wear a helmet or not. Unfortunately most > people who get a serious head injury don't seem to have planned on needing > medical care for the rest of their lives, so the taxpayers are paying for > their care which I think is unfair. It is pretty clear that wearing a helmet > decreases the risk of serious head injury but we all know that nothing > protects us 100% of the time, particularly when we sustain some other type > of injury that the helmet was not designed to prevent. I have only fallen 4 > times and every time I was wearing a helmet. Once I saw stars and > technically probably had a mild concussion and another time recently, I > broke the helmet. Come see what somebody with a serious head injury looks > like lying in the ICU and then decide if you want to wear your helmet or > not--it's generally not a pretty sight. It bears little resemblance to what > they show > on TV. > > > Robin in SW Florida where there is supposed to be a cold front this weekend > to get the temps down into the 70s > > Important FjordHorse List Links: > Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e > FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw > Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: helmets - trying to push them on people who don't use them.
This message is from: Robin Churchill I guess if you have good insurance, including long-term care insurance then it is your business whether you wear a helmet or not. Unfortunately most people who get a serious head injury don't seem to have planned on needing medical care for the rest of their lives, so the taxpayers are paying for their care which I think is unfair. It is pretty clear that wearing a helmet decreases the risk of serious head injury but we all know that nothing protects us 100% of the time, particularly when we sustain some other type of injury that the helmet was not designed to prevent. I have only fallen 4 times and every time I was wearing a helmet. Once I saw stars and technically probably had a mild concussion and another time recently, I broke the helmet. Come see what somebody with a serious head injury looks like lying in the ICU and then decide if you want to wear your helmet or not--it's generally not a pretty sight. It bears little resemblance to what they show on TV. Robin in SW Florida where there is supposed to be a cold front this weekend to get the temps down into the 70s Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
