Re: try before you buy...

2000-07-01 Thread Epona1971
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Hi All-

I have enjoyed the discussion on Fjord value, etc. I am shocked when people 
tell me my horses are expensive. I can't imagine what they think a horse is 
worth? I have friends who've raised puppies, and I can tell you the amount of 
time and money which goes into their care. Then buyers say $400 is too much. 
Huh! Too much for 2 months of care, feeding, medical, not to mention the 
bitch's needs. 

I admire good Fjord breeders, and I say they're worth it!

Brigid
Tommes  Rafael



Re: try before you buy...

2000-07-01 Thread Denise Delgado
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hello listers,

i'd like some opinions on leasing.  ideas are always welcome as are stories
of previous experiences. thanks, denise is cooler northern calif.




Re: try before you buy...

2000-06-30 Thread Northhorse
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In a message dated 6/29/00 4:23:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
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  I hpe so because in my search for the perfect horse for me i've fund it 
benificial to try at least riding the horses at there stable.  

Of course!  You should be able to see what the horse knows, doesn't know and 
see how you two click.  If a horse is advertised as being trained in 
riding/driving, before you pay your hard earned money,  you need to be 
certain that the horse does indeed know these things.  However, in my 
opinion, it is best done under the supervision of the owner.  After all, you 
would just be the potential buyer and the horse is still theirs.  And they 
need to protect the horse's interest.  Even doing this, sometimes it can be 
awful.  I was selling an Arab at one point and I had a potential buyer come 
out.  No problem.  She and the horse clicked.  Then she had the trainer 
come out, and he got on my horse and before I knew it, he had pulled my horse 
to the ground  No way would I let him back on my horse again, and I 
obviously wouldn't sell the poor creature to somebody who would have this man 
as a trainer.  And I've at times ridden horse after horse after horse in the 
pursuit of finding one that was right for me.  And always was welcomed back 
for a second, third ride if I was interested.So, I've been on both sides 
of the fence on this one.

I'll still never forget the hilarious experience of getting on Juniper for 
the first time in front of Ginny Cowles!!  

Pamela



Re: try before you buy...

2000-06-29 Thread Holly Bullard
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When all of you talk about not leting people try a horse before they buy it, 
you just mean like have it shipped to their place for 2 weeks right? I hpe so 
because in my search for the perfect horse for me i've fund it benificial to 
try at least riding the horses at there stable. If i hadn't done this i migt 
very well have ended up with a only semi trained horse that bucked every time 
it had weight on its back! (that really did happen!)
just wanted to make sure!
Holly


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try before you buy...

2000-06-28 Thread Ingrid Ivic
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 As far as letting people try out for two weeks before they buy. I don't do
 it. The reason is, everytime I have done it the horse has come back lame.

Oh dear...yes, I've experienced this too Misha. Have had some awful 
results
by trying to be nice like this...never again. The first and ONLY time I did
this, the particular gelding out on loan was tied by his reins in an arena
(DUH!!) and ended up ripping his mouth after being startled and flying back.
These people were actually madder about their ruined bridle, than his poor
mouth and the fact he would not tie well for a long while after that. 
Aaaarrrgghhh!
 
To soothe people's buying jitters, I do offer a first right of 
refusal
clause in my contract...that way, if things don't go well for the new buyer, I
can be the first in line to purchase the horse back. Afterall, I know the
animal and how it was raised, cared for, etc. No one feels taken and the
animal doesn't end up where it shouldn't. This is mostly for the horse's sake, 
really.

YUP! The fjord market is ripe for mature, trained geldings. I can't 
tell you
how many folks have contacted me looking for them. Recently sold my last one.
Have some nice fillies left though.heh-heh-heh!  ;o)

It is annoying to have people inquire if you have any fjords in the 
$500 to
$1000 range or so. Yes, I've actually had this asked of me, as I'm sure have
others. I chalk it up to lack of research on the buyers part and merrily send
them off to other breeders and sellers to discover the truth...once again. 

We do put quite alot into our horses, don't we? And this doesn't mean 
only
feed and basic care. The time spent training is something else all together.
Folks looking to purchase don't seem to understand the involvement here.
Sometimes, just to teach a simple thing can eat up more time than we could
ever imagine...especially if we want to be SURE it has sunk in. There is no
substitute for extensive handling, teaching and TIME. It's unfortunate some
sellers don't do this, and it reflects badly on the breed, in some cases. But
then...word gets around, doesn't it? 

Fjords may be extra-sweet and forgiving, but they don't train
themselves...contrary to how how some folks try to portray/sell them.

 I have a hard time seeing my horses as just commodities and not living
 thinking breathing beautiful souls. I guess that is why I appreciate the
 list so much. Most people on it really love their horses and I just
 appreciate all the stories and triumphs and tales people tell. 

Once again, I agree...it's a pity when a creature as special as a 
fjord, is
seen as something you've only acquired in dollars and cents. Not a pretty
picture. 

OK, I've yakked enough! Ingrid in Ohio



Re: try before you buy...

2000-06-28 Thread Northhorse
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In a message dated 6/28/00 5:41:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
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  Once again, I agree...it's a pity when a creature as special as a fjord, 
is
 seen as something you've only acquired in dollars and cents. Not a pretty
 picture.  

Yes.  Agreed.  Although I have Skylark up for sale, I've got really REALLY 
mixed feelings about it.  After putting heart and soul into an animal, 
watching it grow, nurturing it, and seeing the spirit bloom into something 
beautiful, it is like selling a piece of your heart.  IF she doesn't sell 
(I'm not doing a lot of advertising so it is very possible g) I see her as 
being a very good personal horse for myself.  

Pamela