[flac-dev] FLAC compression experiment

2017-08-19 Thread z1x2c3v4z1x2c3v4
Hi FLAC team.


I feel I have found a super high compression way of FLAC. I have tested a 1 
hour WAV file of 440HTZ with a 5,25,50,75,100 normalize volume preset. This 
dramatically changes the compression size of the end FLAC file even though the 
WAV file size is identical for all 5 WAV files. Only the volume is different. 
When you renormalize the WAV to its original volume the file is still 100% 
original.


My tests are the following.

source file WAV. 1 hour 440HTZ tone. 600MB.

volume at 100. FLAC file size is  184MB.

volume at 75. FLAC file size is  166MB.

volume at 50. FLAC file size is  143MB.

volume at 25. FLAC file size is  109MB.

volume at 5. FLAC file size is  96MB.


From184MB to 96MB.

As you can see from the full 100 normalize volume to the 5 normalize volume it 
is half the file size.

So to put it. I think that you should have your compression of FLAC to also 
include a normalize volume shift to further compress the end product. Either 
have a default setting or allow a user to input an option in the command line 
arguments to add a normalize volume value. Then to uncompress it back to a WAV 
file FLAC would read the volume header in the FLAC file to apply the WAV 
original normalize volume and expand it back to its original state.


Then have the FLAC decoder for all the players out there to read the volume 
header so to play the FLAC at the WAV original normalize volume.


I hope I have helped to develop FLAC further.
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Re: [flac-dev] FLAC compression experiment

2017-08-19 Thread Erik de Castro Lopo
z1x2c3v4z1x2c3v4 wrote:

> I feel I have found a super high compression way of FLAC. I
> have tested a 1 hour WAV file of 440HTZ with a 5,25,50,75,100
> normalize volume preset

So this a a test file with just a 440Hz sine wave? That signal
is totally unlike actual music that people use FLAC to encode.

If you can test with normal music signals and still see the same
results then you may get some more interest.

Erik
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Re: [flac-dev] FLAC compression experiment

2017-08-19 Thread Federico Miyara


"z1x2c3v4z1x2c3v4",

I think a sine wave is not the best way to test a compression algorithm 
since the only uncorrelated component is the quantizing error, which is 
very small.


First of all, my test for a 100 % 440 Hz tone yields 24.10 % instead of 
30.66 % as yours.


Second, for 16 bit, 44100 Hz the slope is so large that if the first 
sample is 0 then the second sample is about 1854 (being 100% = 32767). 
This means that atenuating it to a 5 % and then multiplying by 20 
probably will recover the signal accurately.


But if instead of a full scale sine wave you generate a signal that 
starts being a sine wave of an amplitiude equal to


10 / 32767 = 0.00030518

(equivalent to an amplitude -70.3087 dB)

and then, after, say, 10 s, follows a full scale (100 % = 0 dB) sine 
wave, then you'll find that the decoded signal is different from the 
original one if you apply your method, since normalizing to a anythig 
but 100 % will render the first part severely and unrecoverably 
distorted. And normalizing to a 5 % actually will make the signal 
vanish, so no matter by how much you multiply it, it will keep being 0.


Federico Miyara



On 19/08/2017 18:37, z1x2c3v4z1x2c3v4 wrote:


Hi FLAC team.


I feel I have found a super high compression way of FLAC. I have 
tested a 1 hour WAV file of 440HTZ with a 5,25,50,75,100 normalize 
volume preset. This dramatically changes the compression size of the 
end FLAC file even though the WAV file size is identical for all 5 WAV 
files. Only the volume is different. When you renormalize the WAV to 
its original volume the file is still 100% original.



My tests are the following.

source file WAV. 1 hour 440HTZ tone. 600MB.

volume at 100. FLAC file size is  184MB.

volume at 75. FLAC file size is  166MB.

volume at 50. FLAC file size is  143MB.

volume at 25. FLAC file size is  109MB.

volume at 5. FLAC file size is  96MB.


From184MB to 96MB.

As you can see from the full 100 normalize volume to the 5 
normalize volume it is half the file size.


So to put it. I think that you should have your compression of FLAC to 
also include a normalize volume shift to further compress the end 
product. Either have a default setting or allow a user to input an 
option in the command line arguments to add a normalize volume value. 
Then to uncompress it back to a WAV file FLAC would read the volume 
header in the FLAC file to apply the WAV original normalize volume and 
expand it back to its original state.



Then have the FLAC decoder for all the players out there to read the 
volume header so to play the FLAC at the WAV original normalize volume.



I hope I have helped to develop FLAC further.



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