Re: [Flashcoders] JavaFX released
Anthony Pace wrote: Sure for the corporate environment, or cell phones, or tv, javaFX wil kick flashes ass until adobe gets smart and gets rid of licensing drawbacks Good morning: http://www.openscreenproject.org/ Cheers, Claus. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] JavaFX released
Sure for the corporate environment, or cell phones, or tv, javaFX wil kick flashes ass until adobe gets smart and gets rid of licensing drawbacks; yet, when I go to a website, it will be flash based content I see. Paul Andrews wrote: - Original Message - From: "Anthony Pace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Flash Coders List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:30 AM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] JavaFX released If you still need to have downloaded the JRE in order to use javaFX, then it still has the same issue it always had... most people are impatient and can't stand waiting for such a large download to complete; especially, when they are using a 56k modem. This isn't going to be a barrier for use in a corporate environment or for deployment on an intranet. Clearly JavaFX is very much at a disadvantage compared with flash in the wider world, but in a corporate environment with an existing java development culture, it would be seen as a very useful tool. Paul ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] JavaFX released
- Original Message - From: "Anthony Pace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Flash Coders List" Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:30 AM Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] JavaFX released If you still need to have downloaded the JRE in order to use javaFX, then it still has the same issue it always had... most people are impatient and can't stand waiting for such a large download to complete; especially, when they are using a 56k modem. This isn't going to be a barrier for use in a corporate environment or for deployment on an intranet. Clearly JavaFX is very much at a disadvantage compared with flash in the wider world, but in a corporate environment with an existing java development culture, it would be seen as a very useful tool. Paul ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] JavaFX released
This is going to fade.. JavaFX will never be used for an online ad banner or some little blending effects on pictures. It has the same audience like Flex RIAs and due to this fact the expectations change. When you are forced to wait for 2MB of pictures just to see them blend on top of a page mixed with the content you really have been after - that sucks. But if you have an ebay RIA (for example) in which you can handle multiple auctions at the same time and modify your auction pictures in a photoshop like environment - hey this is just an example, I just mean more an application instead of a "dynamic webpage") you do want to wait for this additional amount of time. It only depends on your expectations... Anthony Pace schrieb: If you still need to have downloaded the JRE in order to use javaFX, then it still has the same issue it always had... most people are impatient and can't stand waiting for such a large download to complete; especially, when they are using a 56k modem. Latcho wrote: I only said they had the tools for years (java) and the examples (cool nerd applets, processing) to make that shift earlier and to create the atmosphere and invitations to a "multimedia" minded crowd (how old is that word now). How come that for ex the videoplayer war was on real, ms and qt ? Where was java, where were the java api's, tutorials on video and codec support? Where were the tools and the starter kits. Some where in underground hackersland maybe. Thats what I imply. That's why Java always missed the boat, to get the wright buzz out on the wright time; It just always looked so java, and the dev's thought it was all good with thre new skin toolkit end the sun was shining. How much time does it take to get that nickel dropping ? And how much time will they need to catchup if we merge into a another cycle witch requires new tools and sets new expectations ? And for that reason I'm not encouraged to jump on their boat. They managed to release some-200X-thing and it was about time. Time for the nickel to fall. Latcho dr.ache wrote: I did not say anything else. No one says that it's a direct opponent to flash. but I am pretty sure that this is gonna steal the show for flex in the business line. When you have to build really huge applications enterprise developer are the first who can manage that - and now with the ability of a front-end extension to their OWN language and environment (which includes everything that is still lacking in flex and flash or is at most in the beginning of development like unit tests, dependencies visualisation, blablabla...) they do not need to switch to things like flex. they just need to learn that package like some flash developers need to learn , whatever.. Tweenlite ;-) Just to remember. I just say, there IS a good reason for them to further develop java fx Ashim D'Silva schrieb: As for Java, yes, it's the original, yes, it's a more powerful engine, but as far as front-end web work goes, both those don't matter too much, ease of production, I think, trumps them. And with Flash 10 (CS4) artists and developers have an incredible platform, with simple 3D, inverse kinematics with soft skinning, and a shit load more all ready to go. I don't see Java competing with that too easily. Java always seemed to have its own space, which I knew nothing about; Fx is confusing me. That said, I'd back open source if its got a chance. 2008/12/7 Latcho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Dr. Ache, It's not about it's power. It's also about marketing and market penetration and providing newcomers a solid entry point. Furthermore ... The level of complexity that flash can have now can be harder on starters; AS3, compilers, design patterns and so on will be are no out of the box toys. The main difference for me is that you can start easy and animation friendly via the flash IDE and it's fine documentation. The historical super technical java docs, silly examples. the packaging, the badly documented differences between compiling for online and local aps, and a missing IDE or compiler gui pulled me from going further after some experimenting with it. Just now, nearly half a decade later, after being mentored by good tutorials, a very communicative and a helpful flash and AS community from a simple video editor up to a design-pattern-level coder, just now I would have the courage to check it out again. By the way: processing providde me with a nice wrapper and support to get visual stuff done for starters; I loved it and it's betst part -> : the java displaying power and the easy applet pubishing. http://processing.org/ Latcho dr.ache wrote: What I am concerned I do not see any reason why they should NOT do this. I find its pretty obvious. a) They do already have a language actionscript tries to mimic more and more with every release. b) They do have the power flash is lacking especially what desctop is concerned. c) Java was meant t
Re: [Flashcoders] JavaFX released
Hehe...i had to laugh about this to - BUT : go to flash sites listed on FWA, alot of them have bugs like this to. Latcho schrieb: Sorry couldn't see the content: TypeError: Error #1009: Cannot access a property or method of a null object reference. at Omniture_Utility/onTemplateReady()[/Applications/MAMP/htdocs/flex/Omniture_Utility/Omniture_Utility.as:59] at flash.events::EventDispatcher/dispatchEventFunction() at flash.events::EventDispatcher/dispatchEvent() at com.brightcove.fl.federated.api.modules::ExperienceAPI/onTemplateReady() at flash.events::EventDispatcher/dispatchEventFunction() at flash.events::EventDispatcher/dispatchEvent() at com.brightcove.fl.federated::Template/onContentLoad() at flash.events::EventDispatcher/dispatchEventFunction() at flash.events::EventDispatcher/dispatchEvent() at com.brightcove.fl.federated.content::ContentManager/onContentLoad() at com.brightcove.fl.federated.services::PersistentResponder/onResult() :) Anthony Pace wrote: http://channelsun.sun.com/video/software/javafx/1915439297 Check this out... you know it is kind of funny that they are selling the idea of javaFX through the use of flash hahaha dr.ache wrote: I did not say anything else. No one says that it's a direct opponent to flash. but I am pretty sure that this is gonna steal the show for flex in the business line. When you have to build really huge applications enterprise developer are the first who can manage that - and now with the ability of a front-end extension to their OWN language and environment (which includes everything that is still lacking in flex and flash or is at most in the beginning of development like unit tests, dependencies visualisation, blablabla...) they do not need to switch to things like flex. they just need to learn that package like some flash developers need to learn , whatever.. Tweenlite ;-) Just to remember. I just say, there IS a good reason for them to further develop java fx Ashim D'Silva schrieb: As for Java, yes, it's the original, yes, it's a more powerful engine, but as far as front-end web work goes, both those don't matter too much, ease of production, I think, trumps them. And with Flash 10 (CS4) artists and developers have an incredible platform, with simple 3D, inverse kinematics with soft skinning, and a shit load more all ready to go. I don't see Java competing with that too easily. Java always seemed to have its own space, which I knew nothing about; Fx is confusing me. That said, I'd back open source if its got a chance. 2008/12/7 Latcho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Dr. Ache, It's not about it's power. It's also about marketing and market penetration and providing newcomers a solid entry point. Furthermore ... The level of complexity that flash can have now can be harder on starters; AS3, compilers, design patterns and so on will be are no out of the box toys. The main difference for me is that you can start easy and animation friendly via the flash IDE and it's fine documentation. The historical super technical java docs, silly examples. the packaging, the badly documented differences between compiling for online and local aps, and a missing IDE or compiler gui pulled me from going further after some experimenting with it. Just now, nearly half a decade later, after being mentored by good tutorials, a very communicative and a helpful flash and AS community from a simple video editor up to a design-pattern-level coder, just now I would have the courage to check it out again. By the way: processing providde me with a nice wrapper and support to get visual stuff done for starters; I loved it and it's betst part -> : the java displaying power and the easy applet pubishing. http://processing.org/ Latcho dr.ache wrote: What I am concerned I do not see any reason why they should NOT do this. I find its pretty obvious. a) They do already have a language actionscript tries to mimic more and more with every release. b) They do have the power flash is lacking especially what desctop is concerned. c) Java was meant to be the internet language ever since. Meaning it has all you need for web based systems. d) Its open source e) Serious corporations DO use Java for their networks and with Flex Adobe is trying to become more mature to be recognized by those companies (SAP, etc) d) Just a guess, but I would say there are more Java developer out there then flash developers - so a hugh audience. e) etc etc I dont think JavaFX will replace something like flash... but it has great power and this is the first release... do you remember flash 1? Latcho schrieb: Dunno why they put energy in this. Java, they had their chances for online animation-focussed penetration, too late now I guess. And the site crashed my pretty stable FF3. Anthony Pace wrote: I am sure if better coders provided better examples it would work well; yet, the applications
Re: [Flashcoders] JavaFX released
Sorry couldn't see the content: TypeError: Error #1009: Cannot access a property or method of a null object reference. at Omniture_Utility/onTemplateReady()[/Applications/MAMP/htdocs/flex/Omniture_Utility/Omniture_Utility.as:59] at flash.events::EventDispatcher/dispatchEventFunction() at flash.events::EventDispatcher/dispatchEvent() at com.brightcove.fl.federated.api.modules::ExperienceAPI/onTemplateReady() at flash.events::EventDispatcher/dispatchEventFunction() at flash.events::EventDispatcher/dispatchEvent() at com.brightcove.fl.federated::Template/onContentLoad() at flash.events::EventDispatcher/dispatchEventFunction() at flash.events::EventDispatcher/dispatchEvent() at com.brightcove.fl.federated.content::ContentManager/onContentLoad() at com.brightcove.fl.federated.services::PersistentResponder/onResult() :) Anthony Pace wrote: http://channelsun.sun.com/video/software/javafx/1915439297 Check this out... you know it is kind of funny that they are selling the idea of javaFX through the use of flash hahaha dr.ache wrote: I did not say anything else. No one says that it's a direct opponent to flash. but I am pretty sure that this is gonna steal the show for flex in the business line. When you have to build really huge applications enterprise developer are the first who can manage that - and now with the ability of a front-end extension to their OWN language and environment (which includes everything that is still lacking in flex and flash or is at most in the beginning of development like unit tests, dependencies visualisation, blablabla...) they do not need to switch to things like flex. they just need to learn that package like some flash developers need to learn , whatever.. Tweenlite ;-) Just to remember. I just say, there IS a good reason for them to further develop java fx Ashim D'Silva schrieb: As for Java, yes, it's the original, yes, it's a more powerful engine, but as far as front-end web work goes, both those don't matter too much, ease of production, I think, trumps them. And with Flash 10 (CS4) artists and developers have an incredible platform, with simple 3D, inverse kinematics with soft skinning, and a shit load more all ready to go. I don't see Java competing with that too easily. Java always seemed to have its own space, which I knew nothing about; Fx is confusing me. That said, I'd back open source if its got a chance. 2008/12/7 Latcho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Dr. Ache, It's not about it's power. It's also about marketing and market penetration and providing newcomers a solid entry point. Furthermore ... The level of complexity that flash can have now can be harder on starters; AS3, compilers, design patterns and so on will be are no out of the box toys. The main difference for me is that you can start easy and animation friendly via the flash IDE and it's fine documentation. The historical super technical java docs, silly examples. the packaging, the badly documented differences between compiling for online and local aps, and a missing IDE or compiler gui pulled me from going further after some experimenting with it. Just now, nearly half a decade later, after being mentored by good tutorials, a very communicative and a helpful flash and AS community from a simple video editor up to a design-pattern-level coder, just now I would have the courage to check it out again. By the way: processing providde me with a nice wrapper and support to get visual stuff done for starters; I loved it and it's betst part -> : the java displaying power and the easy applet pubishing. http://processing.org/ Latcho dr.ache wrote: What I am concerned I do not see any reason why they should NOT do this. I find its pretty obvious. a) They do already have a language actionscript tries to mimic more and more with every release. b) They do have the power flash is lacking especially what desctop is concerned. c) Java was meant to be the internet language ever since. Meaning it has all you need for web based systems. d) Its open source e) Serious corporations DO use Java for their networks and with Flex Adobe is trying to become more mature to be recognized by those companies (SAP, etc) d) Just a guess, but I would say there are more Java developer out there then flash developers - so a hugh audience. e) etc etc I dont think JavaFX will replace something like flash... but it has great power and this is the first release... do you remember flash 1? Latcho schrieb: Dunno why they put energy in this. Java, they had their chances for online animation-focussed penetration, too late now I guess. And the site crashed my pretty stable FF3. Anthony Pace wrote: I am sure if better coders provided better examples it would work well; yet, the applications seem to take forever to load and I have a pretty decent system. Eric E. Dolecki wrote: On my Mac in Firefox when I scroll
Re: [Flashcoders] JavaFX released
If you still need to have downloaded the JRE in order to use javaFX, then it still has the same issue it always had... most people are impatient and can't stand waiting for such a large download to complete; especially, when they are using a 56k modem. Latcho wrote: I only said they had the tools for years (java) and the examples (cool nerd applets, processing) to make that shift earlier and to create the atmosphere and invitations to a "multimedia" minded crowd (how old is that word now). How come that for ex the videoplayer war was on real, ms and qt ? Where was java, where were the java api's, tutorials on video and codec support? Where were the tools and the starter kits. Some where in underground hackersland maybe. Thats what I imply. That's why Java always missed the boat, to get the wright buzz out on the wright time; It just always looked so java, and the dev's thought it was all good with thre new skin toolkit end the sun was shining. How much time does it take to get that nickel dropping ? And how much time will they need to catchup if we merge into a another cycle witch requires new tools and sets new expectations ? And for that reason I'm not encouraged to jump on their boat. They managed to release some-200X-thing and it was about time. Time for the nickel to fall. Latcho dr.ache wrote: I did not say anything else. No one says that it's a direct opponent to flash. but I am pretty sure that this is gonna steal the show for flex in the business line. When you have to build really huge applications enterprise developer are the first who can manage that - and now with the ability of a front-end extension to their OWN language and environment (which includes everything that is still lacking in flex and flash or is at most in the beginning of development like unit tests, dependencies visualisation, blablabla...) they do not need to switch to things like flex. they just need to learn that package like some flash developers need to learn , whatever.. Tweenlite ;-) Just to remember. I just say, there IS a good reason for them to further develop java fx Ashim D'Silva schrieb: As for Java, yes, it's the original, yes, it's a more powerful engine, but as far as front-end web work goes, both those don't matter too much, ease of production, I think, trumps them. And with Flash 10 (CS4) artists and developers have an incredible platform, with simple 3D, inverse kinematics with soft skinning, and a shit load more all ready to go. I don't see Java competing with that too easily. Java always seemed to have its own space, which I knew nothing about; Fx is confusing me. That said, I'd back open source if its got a chance. 2008/12/7 Latcho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Dr. Ache, It's not about it's power. It's also about marketing and market penetration and providing newcomers a solid entry point. Furthermore ... The level of complexity that flash can have now can be harder on starters; AS3, compilers, design patterns and so on will be are no out of the box toys. The main difference for me is that you can start easy and animation friendly via the flash IDE and it's fine documentation. The historical super technical java docs, silly examples. the packaging, the badly documented differences between compiling for online and local aps, and a missing IDE or compiler gui pulled me from going further after some experimenting with it. Just now, nearly half a decade later, after being mentored by good tutorials, a very communicative and a helpful flash and AS community from a simple video editor up to a design-pattern-level coder, just now I would have the courage to check it out again. By the way: processing providde me with a nice wrapper and support to get visual stuff done for starters; I loved it and it's betst part -> : the java displaying power and the easy applet pubishing. http://processing.org/ Latcho dr.ache wrote: What I am concerned I do not see any reason why they should NOT do this. I find its pretty obvious. a) They do already have a language actionscript tries to mimic more and more with every release. b) They do have the power flash is lacking especially what desctop is concerned. c) Java was meant to be the internet language ever since. Meaning it has all you need for web based systems. d) Its open source e) Serious corporations DO use Java for their networks and with Flex Adobe is trying to become more mature to be recognized by those companies (SAP, etc) d) Just a guess, but I would say there are more Java developer out there then flash developers - so a hugh audience. e) etc etc I dont think JavaFX will replace something like flash... but it has great power and this is the first release... do you remember flash 1? Latcho schrieb: Dunno why they put energy in this. Java, they had their chances for online animation-focussed penetration, too late now I guess. And the site crashed my pretty stable FF3. Anthony
Re: [Flashcoders] JavaFX released
I only said they had the tools for years (java) and the examples (cool nerd applets, processing) to make that shift earlier and to create the atmosphere and invitations to a "multimedia" minded crowd (how old is that word now). How come that for ex the videoplayer war was on real, ms and qt ? Where was java, where were the java api's, tutorials on video and codec support? Where were the tools and the starter kits. Some where in underground hackersland maybe. Thats what I imply. That's why Java always missed the boat, to get the wright buzz out on the wright time; It just always looked so java, and the dev's thought it was all good with thre new skin toolkit end the sun was shining. How much time does it take to get that nickel dropping ? And how much time will they need to catchup if we merge into a another cycle witch requires new tools and sets new expectations ? And for that reason I'm not encouraged to jump on their boat. They managed to release some-200X-thing and it was about time. Time for the nickel to fall. Latcho dr.ache wrote: I did not say anything else. No one says that it's a direct opponent to flash. but I am pretty sure that this is gonna steal the show for flex in the business line. When you have to build really huge applications enterprise developer are the first who can manage that - and now with the ability of a front-end extension to their OWN language and environment (which includes everything that is still lacking in flex and flash or is at most in the beginning of development like unit tests, dependencies visualisation, blablabla...) they do not need to switch to things like flex. they just need to learn that package like some flash developers need to learn , whatever.. Tweenlite ;-) Just to remember. I just say, there IS a good reason for them to further develop java fx Ashim D'Silva schrieb: As for Java, yes, it's the original, yes, it's a more powerful engine, but as far as front-end web work goes, both those don't matter too much, ease of production, I think, trumps them. And with Flash 10 (CS4) artists and developers have an incredible platform, with simple 3D, inverse kinematics with soft skinning, and a shit load more all ready to go. I don't see Java competing with that too easily. Java always seemed to have its own space, which I knew nothing about; Fx is confusing me. That said, I'd back open source if its got a chance. 2008/12/7 Latcho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Dr. Ache, It's not about it's power. It's also about marketing and market penetration and providing newcomers a solid entry point. Furthermore ... The level of complexity that flash can have now can be harder on starters; AS3, compilers, design patterns and so on will be are no out of the box toys. The main difference for me is that you can start easy and animation friendly via the flash IDE and it's fine documentation. The historical super technical java docs, silly examples. the packaging, the badly documented differences between compiling for online and local aps, and a missing IDE or compiler gui pulled me from going further after some experimenting with it. Just now, nearly half a decade later, after being mentored by good tutorials, a very communicative and a helpful flash and AS community from a simple video editor up to a design-pattern-level coder, just now I would have the courage to check it out again. By the way: processing providde me with a nice wrapper and support to get visual stuff done for starters; I loved it and it's betst part -> : the java displaying power and the easy applet pubishing. http://processing.org/ Latcho dr.ache wrote: What I am concerned I do not see any reason why they should NOT do this. I find its pretty obvious. a) They do already have a language actionscript tries to mimic more and more with every release. b) They do have the power flash is lacking especially what desctop is concerned. c) Java was meant to be the internet language ever since. Meaning it has all you need for web based systems. d) Its open source e) Serious corporations DO use Java for their networks and with Flex Adobe is trying to become more mature to be recognized by those companies (SAP, etc) d) Just a guess, but I would say there are more Java developer out there then flash developers - so a hugh audience. e) etc etc I dont think JavaFX will replace something like flash... but it has great power and this is the first release... do you remember flash 1? Latcho schrieb: Dunno why they put energy in this. Java, they had their chances for online animation-focussed penetration, too late now I guess. And the site crashed my pretty stable FF3. Anthony Pace wrote: I am sure if better coders provided better examples it would work well; yet, the applications seem to take forever to load and I have a pretty decent system. Eric E. Dolecki wrote: On my Mac in Firefox when I scroll the page, that pla
Re: [Flashcoders] JavaFX released
http://channelsun.sun.com/video/software/javafx/1915439297 Check this out... you know it is kind of funny that they are selling the idea of javaFX through the use of flash hahaha dr.ache wrote: I did not say anything else. No one says that it's a direct opponent to flash. but I am pretty sure that this is gonna steal the show for flex in the business line. When you have to build really huge applications enterprise developer are the first who can manage that - and now with the ability of a front-end extension to their OWN language and environment (which includes everything that is still lacking in flex and flash or is at most in the beginning of development like unit tests, dependencies visualisation, blablabla...) they do not need to switch to things like flex. they just need to learn that package like some flash developers need to learn , whatever.. Tweenlite ;-) Just to remember. I just say, there IS a good reason for them to further develop java fx Ashim D'Silva schrieb: As for Java, yes, it's the original, yes, it's a more powerful engine, but as far as front-end web work goes, both those don't matter too much, ease of production, I think, trumps them. And with Flash 10 (CS4) artists and developers have an incredible platform, with simple 3D, inverse kinematics with soft skinning, and a shit load more all ready to go. I don't see Java competing with that too easily. Java always seemed to have its own space, which I knew nothing about; Fx is confusing me. That said, I'd back open source if its got a chance. 2008/12/7 Latcho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Dr. Ache, It's not about it's power. It's also about marketing and market penetration and providing newcomers a solid entry point. Furthermore ... The level of complexity that flash can have now can be harder on starters; AS3, compilers, design patterns and so on will be are no out of the box toys. The main difference for me is that you can start easy and animation friendly via the flash IDE and it's fine documentation. The historical super technical java docs, silly examples. the packaging, the badly documented differences between compiling for online and local aps, and a missing IDE or compiler gui pulled me from going further after some experimenting with it. Just now, nearly half a decade later, after being mentored by good tutorials, a very communicative and a helpful flash and AS community from a simple video editor up to a design-pattern-level coder, just now I would have the courage to check it out again. By the way: processing providde me with a nice wrapper and support to get visual stuff done for starters; I loved it and it's betst part -> : the java displaying power and the easy applet pubishing. http://processing.org/ Latcho dr.ache wrote: What I am concerned I do not see any reason why they should NOT do this. I find its pretty obvious. a) They do already have a language actionscript tries to mimic more and more with every release. b) They do have the power flash is lacking especially what desctop is concerned. c) Java was meant to be the internet language ever since. Meaning it has all you need for web based systems. d) Its open source e) Serious corporations DO use Java for their networks and with Flex Adobe is trying to become more mature to be recognized by those companies (SAP, etc) d) Just a guess, but I would say there are more Java developer out there then flash developers - so a hugh audience. e) etc etc I dont think JavaFX will replace something like flash... but it has great power and this is the first release... do you remember flash 1? Latcho schrieb: Dunno why they put energy in this. Java, they had their chances for online animation-focussed penetration, too late now I guess. And the site crashed my pretty stable FF3. Anthony Pace wrote: I am sure if better coders provided better examples it would work well; yet, the applications seem to take forever to load and I have a pretty decent system. Eric E. Dolecki wrote: On my Mac in Firefox when I scroll the page, that player UI flickers on and off. Pretty lame. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Jim Robson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I checked out the drag-able component sample on javafx.com and it didn't work. If you're interested in the details, I put them in a comment on Sten Andersen's blog here: http://blogs.citytechinc.com/sanderson/?p=49#comment-714 hth Jim ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chatty
Re: [Flashcoders] JavaFX released
I did not say anything else. No one says that it's a direct opponent to flash. but I am pretty sure that this is gonna steal the show for flex in the business line. When you have to build really huge applications enterprise developer are the first who can manage that - and now with the ability of a front-end extension to their OWN language and environment (which includes everything that is still lacking in flex and flash or is at most in the beginning of development like unit tests, dependencies visualisation, blablabla...) they do not need to switch to things like flex. they just need to learn that package like some flash developers need to learn , whatever.. Tweenlite ;-) Just to remember. I just say, there IS a good reason for them to further develop java fx Ashim D'Silva schrieb: As for Java, yes, it's the original, yes, it's a more powerful engine, but as far as front-end web work goes, both those don't matter too much, ease of production, I think, trumps them. And with Flash 10 (CS4) artists and developers have an incredible platform, with simple 3D, inverse kinematics with soft skinning, and a shit load more all ready to go. I don't see Java competing with that too easily. Java always seemed to have its own space, which I knew nothing about; Fx is confusing me. That said, I'd back open source if its got a chance. 2008/12/7 Latcho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Dr. Ache, It's not about it's power. It's also about marketing and market penetration and providing newcomers a solid entry point. Furthermore ... The level of complexity that flash can have now can be harder on starters; AS3, compilers, design patterns and so on will be are no out of the box toys. The main difference for me is that you can start easy and animation friendly via the flash IDE and it's fine documentation. The historical super technical java docs, silly examples. the packaging, the badly documented differences between compiling for online and local aps, and a missing IDE or compiler gui pulled me from going further after some experimenting with it. Just now, nearly half a decade later, after being mentored by good tutorials, a very communicative and a helpful flash and AS community from a simple video editor up to a design-pattern-level coder, just now I would have the courage to check it out again. By the way: processing providde me with a nice wrapper and support to get visual stuff done for starters; I loved it and it's betst part -> : the java displaying power and the easy applet pubishing. http://processing.org/ Latcho dr.ache wrote: What I am concerned I do not see any reason why they should NOT do this. I find its pretty obvious. a) They do already have a language actionscript tries to mimic more and more with every release. b) They do have the power flash is lacking especially what desctop is concerned. c) Java was meant to be the internet language ever since. Meaning it has all you need for web based systems. d) Its open source e) Serious corporations DO use Java for their networks and with Flex Adobe is trying to become more mature to be recognized by those companies (SAP, etc) d) Just a guess, but I would say there are more Java developer out there then flash developers - so a hugh audience. e) etc etc I dont think JavaFX will replace something like flash... but it has great power and this is the first release... do you remember flash 1? Latcho schrieb: Dunno why they put energy in this. Java, they had their chances for online animation-focussed penetration, too late now I guess. And the site crashed my pretty stable FF3. Anthony Pace wrote: I am sure if better coders provided better examples it would work well; yet, the applications seem to take forever to load and I have a pretty decent system. Eric E. Dolecki wrote: On my Mac in Firefox when I scroll the page, that player UI flickers on and off. Pretty lame. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Jim Robson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I checked out the drag-able component sample on javafx.com and it didn't work. If you're interested in the details, I put them in a comment on Sten Andersen's blog here: http://blogs.citytechinc.com/sanderson/?p=49#comment-714 hth Jim ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders _
Re: [Flashcoders] JavaFX released
I dont get your point. First you said: "Dunno why they put energy in this". Then I pointed out what makes me think there decision is obvious and even more: a good step from a java perspective. What does that mean: "It's not about it's power. It's also about marketing and market penetration and providing newcomers a solid entry point." That is a totally different story. They do not copy flash they just expand there platform in a way that you build more modern RIAs on it. When you want to make a comparison then with flex. In a way both of them (Flex and Java FX) seem to mimic each other. The first one adopts the language structure, the later admits that there is more then forms and tables. I agree with a lot of points from you but its another discussion. There are good reasons for the Java world to open up, its just getting more multimedia. Latcho schrieb: Hi Dr. Ache, It's not about it's power. It's also about marketing and market penetration and providing newcomers a solid entry point. Furthermore ... The level of complexity that flash can have now can be harder on starters; AS3, compilers, design patterns and so on will be are no out of the box toys. The main difference for me is that you can start easy and animation friendly via the flash IDE and it's fine documentation. The historical super technical java docs, silly examples. the packaging, the badly documented differences between compiling for online and local aps, and a missing IDE or compiler gui pulled me from going further after some experimenting with it. Just now, nearly half a decade later, after being mentored by good tutorials, a very communicative and a helpful flash and AS community from a simple video editor up to a design-pattern-level coder, just now I would have the courage to check it out again. By the way: processing providde me with a nice wrapper and support to get visual stuff done for starters; I loved it and it's betst part -> : the java displaying power and the easy applet pubishing. http://processing.org/ Latcho dr.ache wrote: What I am concerned I do not see any reason why they should NOT do this. I find its pretty obvious. a) They do already have a language actionscript tries to mimic more and more with every release. b) They do have the power flash is lacking especially what desctop is concerned. c) Java was meant to be the internet language ever since. Meaning it has all you need for web based systems. d) Its open source e) Serious corporations DO use Java for their networks and with Flex Adobe is trying to become more mature to be recognized by those companies (SAP, etc) d) Just a guess, but I would say there are more Java developer out there then flash developers - so a hugh audience. e) etc etc I dont think JavaFX will replace something like flash... but it has great power and this is the first release... do you remember flash 1? Latcho schrieb: Dunno why they put energy in this. Java, they had their chances for online animation-focussed penetration, too late now I guess. And the site crashed my pretty stable FF3. Anthony Pace wrote: I am sure if better coders provided better examples it would work well; yet, the applications seem to take forever to load and I have a pretty decent system. Eric E. Dolecki wrote: On my Mac in Firefox when I scroll the page, that player UI flickers on and off. Pretty lame. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Jim Robson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I checked out the drag-able component sample on javafx.com and it didn't work. If you're interested in the details, I put them in a comment on Sten Andersen's blog here: http://blogs.citytechinc.com/sanderson/?p=49#comment-714 hth Jim ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] JavaFX released
I'll back processing. It's an incredible tool. Relatively simple and pretty damn powerful. I got facial recognition going (with a library) for a 3D scene you can look around and I've seen a good amount of excellent stuff come out of it. As for Java, yes, it's the original, yes, it's a more powerful engine, but as far as front-end web work goes, both those don't matter too much, ease of production, I think, trumps them. And with Flash 10 (CS4) artists and developers have an incredible platform, with simple 3D, inverse kinematics with soft skinning, and a shit load more all ready to go. I don't see Java competing with that too easily. Java always seemed to have its own space, which I knew nothing about; Fx is confusing me. That said, I'd back open source if its got a chance. 2008/12/7 Latcho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi Dr. Ache, > It's not about it's power. It's also about marketing and market penetration > and providing newcomers a solid entry point. Furthermore ... > The level of complexity that flash can have now can be harder on starters; > AS3, compilers, design patterns and so on will be are no out of the box > toys. The main difference for me is that you can start easy and animation > friendly via the flash IDE and it's fine documentation. > The historical super technical java docs, silly examples. the packaging, > the badly documented differences between compiling for online and local aps, > and a missing IDE or compiler gui pulled me from going further after some > experimenting with it. Just now, nearly half a decade later, after being > mentored by good tutorials, a very communicative and a helpful flash and AS > community from a simple video editor up to a design-pattern-level coder, > just now I would have the courage to check it out again. > By the way: processing providde me with a nice wrapper and support to get > visual stuff done for starters; I loved it and it's betst part -> : the > java displaying power and the easy applet pubishing. > http://processing.org/ > > Latcho > > > > dr.ache wrote: > >> What I am concerned I do not see any reason why they should NOT do this. >> I find its pretty obvious. >> >> a) They do already have a language actionscript tries to mimic more and >> more with every release. >> b) They do have the power flash is lacking especially what desctop is >> concerned. >> c) Java was meant to be the internet language ever since. Meaning it has >> all you need for web based systems. >> d) Its open source >> e) Serious corporations DO use Java for their networks and with Flex Adobe >> is trying to become more mature to be recognized by those companies (SAP, >> etc) >> d) Just a guess, but I would say there are more Java developer out there >> then flash developers - so a hugh audience. >> e) etc etc >> >> I dont think JavaFX will replace something like flash... but it has great >> power and this is the first release... do you remember flash 1? >> >> >> >> Latcho schrieb: >> >>> Dunno why they put energy in this. Java, they had their chances for >>> online animation-focussed penetration, too late now I guess. >>> And the site crashed my pretty stable FF3. >>> >>> Anthony Pace wrote: >>> I am sure if better coders provided better examples it would work well; yet, the applications seem to take forever to load and I have a pretty decent system. Eric E. Dolecki wrote: > On my Mac in Firefox when I scroll the page, that player UI flickers on > and > off. Pretty lame. > > On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Jim Robson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > >> I checked out the drag-able component sample on javafx.com and it >> didn't work. If you're interested in the details, I put them in a >> comment on Sten Andersen's blog here: >> >> http://blogs.citytechinc.com/sanderson/?p=49#comment-714 >> >> hth >> Jim >> ___ >> Flashcoders mailing list >> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com >> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >> >> >> > > > > > ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >>> ___ >>> Flashcoders mailing list >>> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com >>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >>> >>> >>> >> ___ >> Flashcoders mailing list >> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com >> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >> >> > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > -- The Random Lines My online portfolio www.therandomlines.com ___
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Sorry for the typo's and bad structured mail. I wrote it too fast. Original Message Subject:Re: [Flashcoders] JavaFX released Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:27:03 +0100 From: Latcho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flash Coders List References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Dr. Ache, It's not about it's power. It's also about marketing and market penetration and providing newcomers a solid entry point. Furthermore ... The level of complexity that flash can have now can be harder on starters; AS3, compilers, design patterns and so on will be are no out of the box toys. The main difference for me is that you can start easy and animation friendly via the flash IDE and it's fine documentation. The historical super technical java docs, silly examples. the packaging, the badly documented differences between compiling for online and local aps, and a missing IDE or compiler gui pulled me from going further after some experimenting with it. Just now, nearly half a decade later, after being mentored by good tutorials, a very communicative and a helpful flash and AS community from a simple video editor up to a design-pattern-level coder, just now I would have the courage to check it out again. By the way: processing providde me with a nice wrapper and support to get visual stuff done for starters; I loved it and it's betst part -> : the java displaying power and the easy applet pubishing. http://processing.org/ Latcho dr.ache wrote: What I am concerned I do not see any reason why they should NOT do this. I find its pretty obvious. a) They do already have a language actionscript tries to mimic more and more with every release. b) They do have the power flash is lacking especially what desctop is concerned. c) Java was meant to be the internet language ever since. Meaning it has all you need for web based systems. d) Its open source e) Serious corporations DO use Java for their networks and with Flex Adobe is trying to become more mature to be recognized by those companies (SAP, etc) d) Just a guess, but I would say there are more Java developer out there then flash developers - so a hugh audience. e) etc etc I dont think JavaFX will replace something like flash... but it has great power and this is the first release... do you remember flash 1? Latcho schrieb: Dunno why they put energy in this. Java, they had their chances for online animation-focussed penetration, too late now I guess. And the site crashed my pretty stable FF3. Anthony Pace wrote: I am sure if better coders provided better examples it would work well; yet, the applications seem to take forever to load and I have a pretty decent system. Eric E. Dolecki wrote: On my Mac in Firefox when I scroll the page, that player UI flickers on and off. Pretty lame. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Jim Robson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I checked out the drag-able component sample on javafx.com and it didn't work. If you're interested in the details, I put them in a comment on Sten Andersen's blog here: http://blogs.citytechinc.com/sanderson/?p=49#comment-714 hth Jim ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] JavaFX released
Hi Dr. Ache, It's not about it's power. It's also about marketing and market penetration and providing newcomers a solid entry point. Furthermore ... The level of complexity that flash can have now can be harder on starters; AS3, compilers, design patterns and so on will be are no out of the box toys. The main difference for me is that you can start easy and animation friendly via the flash IDE and it's fine documentation. The historical super technical java docs, silly examples. the packaging, the badly documented differences between compiling for online and local aps, and a missing IDE or compiler gui pulled me from going further after some experimenting with it. Just now, nearly half a decade later, after being mentored by good tutorials, a very communicative and a helpful flash and AS community from a simple video editor up to a design-pattern-level coder, just now I would have the courage to check it out again. By the way: processing providde me with a nice wrapper and support to get visual stuff done for starters; I loved it and it's betst part -> : the java displaying power and the easy applet pubishing. http://processing.org/ Latcho dr.ache wrote: What I am concerned I do not see any reason why they should NOT do this. I find its pretty obvious. a) They do already have a language actionscript tries to mimic more and more with every release. b) They do have the power flash is lacking especially what desctop is concerned. c) Java was meant to be the internet language ever since. Meaning it has all you need for web based systems. d) Its open source e) Serious corporations DO use Java for their networks and with Flex Adobe is trying to become more mature to be recognized by those companies (SAP, etc) d) Just a guess, but I would say there are more Java developer out there then flash developers - so a hugh audience. e) etc etc I dont think JavaFX will replace something like flash... but it has great power and this is the first release... do you remember flash 1? Latcho schrieb: Dunno why they put energy in this. Java, they had their chances for online animation-focussed penetration, too late now I guess. And the site crashed my pretty stable FF3. Anthony Pace wrote: I am sure if better coders provided better examples it would work well; yet, the applications seem to take forever to load and I have a pretty decent system. Eric E. Dolecki wrote: On my Mac in Firefox when I scroll the page, that player UI flickers on and off. Pretty lame. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Jim Robson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I checked out the drag-able component sample on javafx.com and it didn't work. If you're interested in the details, I put them in a comment on Sten Andersen's blog here: http://blogs.citytechinc.com/sanderson/?p=49#comment-714 hth Jim ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] JavaFX released
What I am concerned I do not see any reason why they should NOT do this. I find its pretty obvious. a) They do already have a language actionscript tries to mimic more and more with every release. b) They do have the power flash is lacking especially what desctop is concerned. c) Java was meant to be the internet language ever since. Meaning it has all you need for web based systems. d) Its open source e) Serious corporations DO use Java for their networks and with Flex Adobe is trying to become more mature to be recognized by those companies (SAP, etc) d) Just a guess, but I would say there are more Java developer out there then flash developers - so a hugh audience. e) etc etc I dont think JavaFX will replace something like flash... but it has great power and this is the first release... do you remember flash 1? Latcho schrieb: Dunno why they put energy in this. Java, they had their chances for online animation-focussed penetration, too late now I guess. And the site crashed my pretty stable FF3. Anthony Pace wrote: I am sure if better coders provided better examples it would work well; yet, the applications seem to take forever to load and I have a pretty decent system. Eric E. Dolecki wrote: On my Mac in Firefox when I scroll the page, that player UI flickers on and off. Pretty lame. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Jim Robson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I checked out the drag-able component sample on javafx.com and it didn't work. If you're interested in the details, I put them in a comment on Sten Andersen's blog here: http://blogs.citytechinc.com/sanderson/?p=49#comment-714 hth Jim ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] JavaFX released
Dunno why they put energy in this. Java, they had their chances for online animation-focussed penetration, too late now I guess. And the site crashed my pretty stable FF3. Anthony Pace wrote: I am sure if better coders provided better examples it would work well; yet, the applications seem to take forever to load and I have a pretty decent system. Eric E. Dolecki wrote: On my Mac in Firefox when I scroll the page, that player UI flickers on and off. Pretty lame. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Jim Robson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I checked out the drag-able component sample on javafx.com and it didn't work. If you're interested in the details, I put them in a comment on Sten Andersen's blog here: http://blogs.citytechinc.com/sanderson/?p=49#comment-714 hth Jim ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] JavaFX released
I am sure if better coders provided better examples it would work well; yet, the applications seem to take forever to load and I have a pretty decent system. Eric E. Dolecki wrote: On my Mac in Firefox when I scroll the page, that player UI flickers on and off. Pretty lame. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Jim Robson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I checked out the drag-able component sample on javafx.com and it didn't work. If you're interested in the details, I put them in a comment on Sten Andersen's blog here: http://blogs.citytechinc.com/sanderson/?p=49#comment-714 hth Jim ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] JavaFX released
On my Mac in Firefox when I scroll the page, that player UI flickers on and off. Pretty lame. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Jim Robson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I checked out the drag-able component sample on javafx.com and it > didn't work. If you're interested in the details, I put them in a > comment on Sten Andersen's blog here: > > http://blogs.citytechinc.com/sanderson/?p=49#comment-714 > > hth > Jim > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > -- http://ericd.net Interactive design and development ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] JavaFX released
I checked out the drag-able component sample on javafx.com and it didn't work. If you're interested in the details, I put them in a comment on Sten Andersen's blog here: http://blogs.citytechinc.com/sanderson/?p=49#comment-714 hth Jim ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] JavaFX released
I'm actually not entirely sure where Java (applets) fit into the front end web thing. I'd really like to see where this goes, because as far as usability and increased interactivity go, javascript and flash each have a good solid space; as well as competing for some common areas. I haven't really used Java, so I'd love some light shed. Ashim 2008/12/6 Jason Van Cleave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Curious to what others think... > > Interesting that it can play flvs out of the box. I haven't seen the > feature in action but supposedly you can drag applications from the > browser to the desktop. The free NetBeans IDE is a nice touch too. > > http://www.javafx.com/samples/ > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > -- The Random Lines My online portfolio www.therandomlines.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] JavaFX released
Curious to what others think... Interesting that it can play flvs out of the box. I haven't seen the feature in action but supposedly you can drag applications from the browser to the desktop. The free NetBeans IDE is a nice touch too. http://www.javafx.com/samples/ ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders