Re: [Flashcoders] Search engine indexable Flash content; anyone with insight please help!
elibol wrote: I don't expect that our clients would like their sites searchabe only by appending filetype:swf with every search. No, you wouldn't need to... the use of the "filetype:" term in my search query just meant that you wouldn't see all the other web content in your results. It's not required to access SWFs. The example proves that Google knows about and databases the text within a SWF. Gaining visibility within any search (ie, being in the first page of results) still requires the normal search-optimization techniques of good TITLE and metadata info, excellent inbound links from authoritative sources, use of search terms that you have a realistic hope of achieving good placement on (eg, "flowers" is hosed, but "san francisco corsages" might be attainable, etc). Recap: Google knows the text in your SWFs. (I didn't follow the parts you wrote about redirection... you may have another way to complicate search processes that way.) jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Search engine indexable Flash content; anyone with insight please help!
>>I would assume that the indexing method follows patterns that are similiar to domains that abuse SEO, and so, like a virus scanner would, the domain is flagged the same as an abusing domain is flagged. I think this distinction is important, as to not assume that google is exclusively targeting the project, or flash content. The Ripple toolkit is written to redirect the google agent; this is probably a common SEO abuse technique. correct ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Search engine indexable Flash content; anyone with insight please help!
> peter hall (the owner of the project) was told this by google in person 5 > months ago. I would assume that the indexing method follows patterns that are similiar to domains that abuse SEO, and so, like a virus scanner would, the domain is flagged the same as an abusing domain is flagged. I think this distinction is important, as to not assume that google is exclusively targeting the project, or flash content. The Ripple toolkit is written to redirect the google agent; this is probably a common SEO abuse technique. > Just checking... you're aware that Google already reads text inside a > SWF, right? (Try a search term like "contrary evidence filetype:swf" to > confirm.) Hi John, I'm aware, but I don't expect that our clients would like their sites searchabe only by appending filetype:swf with every search. Another problem is that the only way to get the page to initialize correctly is to detect the agent that's accessing the swf file. This is necessary to properly redirect it to the page it's embedded in, otherwise the link would launch the swf file without the markup page it was designed to be launched in. Passing an initialization query string to the swf when it's launched from the proper markup page would do the trick too; where all other agents that access the swf directly would be redirected, but, again, you get the google smack down if you redirect the agent. It's unfortunate that it doesn't suffice to satisfy our clients. I think the bottom line is that either Adobe, Google, or both need to do something about this situation; it's a big pain in the ass. H ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Search engine indexable Flash content; anyone with insight please help!
elibol wrote: > I want to know how todo this to build a toolkit for making > flash sites indexable. Just checking... you're aware that Google already reads text inside a SWF, right? (Try a search term like "contrary evidence filetype:swf" to confirm.) jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] Search engine indexable Flash content; anyone with insight please help!
Hi, EGO7's Flash CMS, CMSmx, allows for deep linking and search engine indexable flash content. I would like to know how this is done, without breaking any search engine optimization rules. I looked at one of the indexed pages, and it looks like the content that's loaded into flash is also loaded into a hidden frame as just html text. Technically, I know how to do these things, I am just totally lost when it comes to understanding how search engines spider websites, especially when there is dynamic content and query strings involved. I want to know how to do this to build a toolkit for making flash sites indexable. I will be using this tool for building indexable sites for our clients, it will also be an open source toolkit that I will distribute, because I believe that a strong future for flash content on the web includes indexable content, with as much browser support as can be implemented (browser back/forward functionality, and deep linking), and so, I believe that it's important to provide flash developers with a toolkit that streamlines these features. Check it out: http://www.google.com/search?hs=1Xv&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=strength+is+our+exclusive+talent+pool+deeply+committed+to+engineering&btnG=Search It's the first result, and it will even take you to the page when you click on it! I must admit, EGO7 has done a great job, however, I feel like it's no secret to the flash coders list. Only the hardest core post here! Thanks for taking the time to read my post. If there is any insight at all that you could provide, please do. If there are any theories, I'd love to hear them. H ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
