Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
Hi Josh, Thanks for the tips, but I already chose trac. Actually, I'm using it already and I must say it's a great piece of software! The only downside is the installation process which can be a pain if you're not used to *nix systems. Thank you all for the suggestions guys! Marcelo. On 11/30/06, Josh Santangelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ...and has the most unusable UI/workflow of any bug-tracking software I've ever used. Got no love for Mantis. TestTrack Pro is great if you're Windows-centric and willing to spend some money. http://www.seapine.com/ttpro.html In addition to web access, there's a Windows desktop client, and a simplified version you can give to clients to report bugs/etc. ActiveCollab looks cool too, but is still very early in development. http://www.activecollab.com/ -josh On Nov 28, 2006, at 4:32p, Steven Sacks | BLITZ wrote: > If you're looking for bug/feature tracking for your clients, check out > Mantis. It's easy to set up, customize (if you know php), and best of > all, it's free. > > HTH, > Steven > ___ > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > To change your subscription options or search the archive: > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > http://www.figleaf.com > http://training.figleaf.com > ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
...and has the most unusable UI/workflow of any bug-tracking software I've ever used. Got no love for Mantis. TestTrack Pro is great if you're Windows-centric and willing to spend some money. http://www.seapine.com/ttpro.html In addition to web access, there's a Windows desktop client, and a simplified version you can give to clients to report bugs/etc. ActiveCollab looks cool too, but is still very early in development. http://www.activecollab.com/ -josh On Nov 28, 2006, at 4:32p, Steven Sacks | BLITZ wrote: If you're looking for bug/feature tracking for your clients, check out Mantis. It's easy to set up, customize (if you know php), and best of all, it's free. HTH, Steven ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
On 11/30/06, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As for the automation of development and deployment processes: * To deploy the app on the production server, I'm thinking about using Capistrano; * On my development machine, I'm using ANT for the compiling and unit-testing processes. *snip* Sounds good - I haven't heard of Capistrano before, I'll have to take a look. I've used http://cruisecontrol.sourceforge.net/ in the past (but that was in a Java coding environment rathre than Flash) for continuous integration, but haven't tried applying that to Flash yet (I think we'd need to make the switch to using mtasc or the Flex compiler; which we aren't prepared to do immediately). Ian ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
Hello Ian, Man, it was a real pain to get this trac thing to work, even though they claim the installation to be "easy". However I've got *almost* everything set up and working already :) As for the automation of development and deployment processes: * To deploy the app on the production server, I'm thinking about using Capistrano; * On my development machine, I'm using ANT for the compiling and unit-testing processes. Here how it would work: * I have a work dir for the project on my dev. machine * I develop the flash app, run the ant task to test (unit-tests) and compile it * The ant task also copies the compiled swfs to their respective locations on the back-end part of the project I then impact my changes to the SVN server. Then, on the production server, Capistrano gets the last trunk revision of the SVN server and gracefully deploys it :) Marcelo. On 11/29/06, Ian Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Chris, It entirely depends on the project. There's an optional FTP task (requires some extra libs) that comes with Ant which we use for simple file uploads. Off the top of my head, we've used combinations of: - hand-written calls to SVN (i.e. using the exec task) to update and to tag - writing/reading of .properties files (to maintain build numbers etc.) using the property task - the optional FTP task - the Zip task for creating single-file packages (to, for example, send a server install/distribution to a client) - integration with NSIS (more exec tasks) to build Windows installers (for Flash projectors) - even, sometimes, simple copies across Windows/Samba fileshares for deployment In the past we've written our own extensions to Ant to make some of the tasks much simpler in Ant syntax; but over time (as Ant has developed) we moved away from that. At the place I worked four or five years ago we had a lot more integration on the server side; e.g. you checked in your shared classes and a hook (in CVS, in those days) fired off a server-side test suite and a rebuild of the API documentation based on those classes; but we've not had a need (yet!) for that here. Cheers. Ian On 11/29/06, Chris Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm really curious how you install your apps to the server using ant. We > currently use svn update for some of our staging stuff. Which tasks do > you use to install/deploy? I'd like to see something that would > automatically synchronize via ftp in ant but I never thought doing > something like that would work. > > Thanks > C ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
Hi Chris, It entirely depends on the project. There's an optional FTP task (requires some extra libs) that comes with Ant which we use for simple file uploads. Off the top of my head, we've used combinations of: - hand-written calls to SVN (i.e. using the exec task) to update and to tag - writing/reading of .properties files (to maintain build numbers etc.) using the property task - the optional FTP task - the Zip task for creating single-file packages (to, for example, send a server install/distribution to a client) - integration with NSIS (more exec tasks) to build Windows installers (for Flash projectors) - even, sometimes, simple copies across Windows/Samba fileshares for deployment In the past we've written our own extensions to Ant to make some of the tasks much simpler in Ant syntax; but over time (as Ant has developed) we moved away from that. At the place I worked four or five years ago we had a lot more integration on the server side; e.g. you checked in your shared classes and a hook (in CVS, in those days) fired off a server-side test suite and a rebuild of the API documentation based on those classes; but we've not had a need (yet!) for that here. Cheers. Ian On 11/29/06, Chris Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm really curious how you install your apps to the server using ant. We currently use svn update for some of our staging stuff. Which tasks do you use to install/deploy? I'd like to see something that would automatically synchronize via ftp in ant but I never thought doing something like that would work. Thanks C ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
I'm really curious how you install your apps to the server using ant. We currently use svn update for some of our staging stuff. Which tasks do you use to install/deploy? I'd like to see something that would automatically synchronize via ftp in ant but I never thought doing something like that would work. Thanks C Ian Thomas wrote: On 11/29/06, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * How do you handle projects that consists of a client (flash) and a server written in another language? A trac enviroment for both of them? No - we use the same environment for both, and Ant build scripts to install the appropriately built code to the server/client. Or sometimes directly SVN update into the appropriate working directory on the server, depending on the complexity of the project. Personally I think it'd be crazy to seperate the front-end and back-end code into different repositories - it's the same project, you want to be able to version track/bugfix the same project (is that bug in the front end or back end?) and, importantly, you want to be able to branch and tag the same project. * About the syntax highliting, is there support for AS2/AS3? Don't know, I'm afraid. HTH, Ian ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
Yes I´m using Streber-PM here. But the file manager is pretty simple and doesn't support SVN. I think you need something like a mix of Streber+Track SVN. That's could be awesome. Luchyx On 11/29/06, Ian Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 11/29/06, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * How do you handle projects that consists of a client (flash) and a server > written in another language? A trac enviroment for both of them? No - we use the same environment for both, and Ant build scripts to install the appropriately built code to the server/client. Or sometimes directly SVN update into the appropriate working directory on the server, depending on the complexity of the project. Personally I think it'd be crazy to seperate the front-end and back-end code into different repositories - it's the same project, you want to be able to version track/bugfix the same project (is that bug in the front end or back end?) and, importantly, you want to be able to branch and tag the same project. > * About the syntax highliting, is there support for AS2/AS3? Don't know, I'm afraid. HTH, Ian ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com -- l u c h y x r i a e v o l u t i o n (r) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.riaevolution.com Phone: +54 (11) 4931-7006 ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
On 11/29/06, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * How do you handle projects that consists of a client (flash) and a server written in another language? A trac enviroment for both of them? No - we use the same environment for both, and Ant build scripts to install the appropriately built code to the server/client. Or sometimes directly SVN update into the appropriate working directory on the server, depending on the complexity of the project. Personally I think it'd be crazy to seperate the front-end and back-end code into different repositories - it's the same project, you want to be able to version track/bugfix the same project (is that bug in the front end or back end?) and, importantly, you want to be able to branch and tag the same project. * About the syntax highliting, is there support for AS2/AS3? Don't know, I'm afraid. HTH, Ian ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
Hey guys, thank you all for the replies, it really helped me on deciding which one to choose. After some research, I've found trac to be the one with most advantages. Before "closing the thread", I would like to ask a few question about trac and flash projects: * How do you handle projects that consists of a client (flash) and a server written in another language? A trac enviroment for both of them? * About the syntax highliting, is there support for AS2/AS3? Marcelo. On 11/28/06, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Steven, Mantis seems to be a good alternative to Trac. It seems to have all the features trac has plus a bunch more and still is simple and effective. I'm having problems installing mod_pythin on my cpanel enabled server so I'm considering other tool to use, and Mantis is certainly attractive :) Marcelo. On 11/28/06, Steven Sacks | BLITZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you're looking for bug/feature tracking for your clients, check out > Mantis. It's easy to set up, customize (if you know php), and best of > all, it's free. > > HTH, > Steven > ___ > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > To change your subscription options or search the archive: > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > http://www.figleaf.com > http://training.figleaf.com > ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
Hi Steven, Mantis seems to be a good alternative to Trac. It seems to have all the features trac has plus a bunch more and still is simple and effective. I'm having problems installing mod_pythin on my cpanel enabled server so I'm considering other tool to use, and Mantis is certainly attractive :) Marcelo. On 11/28/06, Steven Sacks | BLITZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If you're looking for bug/feature tracking for your clients, check out Mantis. It's easy to set up, customize (if you know php), and best of all, it's free. HTH, Steven ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
If you're looking for bug/feature tracking for your clients, check out Mantis. It's easy to set up, customize (if you know php), and best of all, it's free. HTH, Steven ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
I apologize, but I said grant / deny, but you can only grant privileges in Trac. Chris Hill wrote: Sorry, just saw this post, hope i'm not being redundant or too OT. We use trac, but we don't use it with clients, only internally. We could potentially allow client access, but our custom-built system doesn't have much in the way of access control. Checking out the permissions page in my WebAdmin plugin, trac has the following priveleges you can grant deny on a per user/group basis: view/create/modify/grant/delete/admin/etc. (depends on item) on milestone/report/ticket/trac/wiki/log/file/etc. And we love Trac and Subversion. Definitely worth every penny ;) Peace C Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote: Oh Ok.. thanks for the help! On 11/28/06, Ian Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh - I should also point out that there are a bunch of plugins available, IIRC - one of them might have the functionality you need. Ian On 11/28/06, Ian Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Marcelo, > To be perfectly honest, I have no idea. :-) Sorry! > > However, at the worst, trac uses web-based forms. There's nothing to > stop you writing a custom front end for your client that then posts > appropriate data to Trac. > > I'd suggest you just download it and have a play with the options; > it's a very straightforward install. > > Cheers, > Ian > > On 11/28/06, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Ian, thanks again :) > > > > I would like to know something else: What if you want to use trac as a > > ticket interface between you and your client. Clients could login and send > > tickets. However, let's say that I wouldn't like clients to see any code on > > the svn. Is this level of granularity possible on trac? > > > ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
Sorry, just saw this post, hope i'm not being redundant or too OT. We use trac, but we don't use it with clients, only internally. We could potentially allow client access, but our custom-built system doesn't have much in the way of access control. Checking out the permissions page in my WebAdmin plugin, trac has the following priveleges you can grant deny on a per user/group basis: view/create/modify/grant/delete/admin/etc. (depends on item) on milestone/report/ticket/trac/wiki/log/file/etc. And we love Trac and Subversion. Definitely worth every penny ;) Peace C Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote: Oh Ok.. thanks for the help! On 11/28/06, Ian Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh - I should also point out that there are a bunch of plugins available, IIRC - one of them might have the functionality you need. Ian On 11/28/06, Ian Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Marcelo, > To be perfectly honest, I have no idea. :-) Sorry! > > However, at the worst, trac uses web-based forms. There's nothing to > stop you writing a custom front end for your client that then posts > appropriate data to Trac. > > I'd suggest you just download it and have a play with the options; > it's a very straightforward install. > > Cheers, > Ian > > On 11/28/06, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Ian, thanks again :) > > > > I would like to know something else: What if you want to use trac as a > > ticket interface between you and your client. Clients could login and send > > tickets. However, let's say that I wouldn't like clients to see any code on > > the svn. Is this level of granularity possible on trac? > > > ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
Oh Ok.. thanks for the help! On 11/28/06, Ian Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh - I should also point out that there are a bunch of plugins available, IIRC - one of them might have the functionality you need. Ian On 11/28/06, Ian Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Marcelo, > To be perfectly honest, I have no idea. :-) Sorry! > > However, at the worst, trac uses web-based forms. There's nothing to > stop you writing a custom front end for your client that then posts > appropriate data to Trac. > > I'd suggest you just download it and have a play with the options; > it's a very straightforward install. > > Cheers, > Ian > > On 11/28/06, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Ian, thanks again :) > > > > I would like to know something else: What if you want to use trac as a > > ticket interface between you and your client. Clients could login and send > > tickets. However, let's say that I wouldn't like clients to see any code on > > the svn. Is this level of granularity possible on trac? > > > ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
Oh - I should also point out that there are a bunch of plugins available, IIRC - one of them might have the functionality you need. Ian On 11/28/06, Ian Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Marcelo, To be perfectly honest, I have no idea. :-) Sorry! However, at the worst, trac uses web-based forms. There's nothing to stop you writing a custom front end for your client that then posts appropriate data to Trac. I'd suggest you just download it and have a play with the options; it's a very straightforward install. Cheers, Ian On 11/28/06, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Ian, thanks again :) > > I would like to know something else: What if you want to use trac as a > ticket interface between you and your client. Clients could login and send > tickets. However, let's say that I wouldn't like clients to see any code on > the svn. Is this level of granularity possible on trac? > ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
Hi Marcelo, To be perfectly honest, I have no idea. :-) Sorry! However, at the worst, trac uses web-based forms. There's nothing to stop you writing a custom front end for your client that then posts appropriate data to Trac. I'd suggest you just download it and have a play with the options; it's a very straightforward install. Cheers, Ian On 11/28/06, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey Ian, thanks again :) I would like to know something else: What if you want to use trac as a ticket interface between you and your client. Clients could login and send tickets. However, let's say that I wouldn't like clients to see any code on the svn. Is this level of granularity possible on trac? ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
Hey Ian, thanks again :) I would like to know something else: What if you want to use trac as a ticket interface between you and your client. Clients could login and send tickets. However, let's say that I wouldn't like clients to see any code on the svn. Is this level of granularity possible on trac? On 11/28/06, Ian Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Marcelo, SVN handles binary data in the same way as most versioning systems i.e. not very well. (although better than CVS). The trouble is that SVN has no built-in knowledge of what a binary file (such as a fla) _is_, or how to compare it to previous versions; it only knows that the file has changed, but doesn't know what has changed (to do so would mean including a complete .fla parser in the SVN code). On the flip side, we've had no problems with SVN and .fla files - we just use it to store them as we would any other binary asset. As long as your project files are organised sensibly and you store the bulk of your code as external .as files, you should be fine. As an aside, later versions of TortoiseSVN (which we use for keeping things in sync on our local machines) have diff views for some types of images, which is neat. The trac interface will give you previews of .jpg files and the like, but won't do so for .flas or .swfs. It sounds like we're doing similar sorts of projects to you, tho', with some flas being used for layouts and assets, and we've coped fine using trac without having to do any special workarounds for binaries. HTH, Ian On 11/28/06, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ian, I wonder how trac handles binary files with its SVN interface. I ask > this becouse we still use lots of FLA on our projects, of course, only for > layout and graphic assets. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
Hi Marcelo, SVN handles binary data in the same way as most versioning systems i.e. not very well. (although better than CVS). The trouble is that SVN has no built-in knowledge of what a binary file (such as a fla) _is_, or how to compare it to previous versions; it only knows that the file has changed, but doesn't know what has changed (to do so would mean including a complete .fla parser in the SVN code). On the flip side, we've had no problems with SVN and .fla files - we just use it to store them as we would any other binary asset. As long as your project files are organised sensibly and you store the bulk of your code as external .as files, you should be fine. As an aside, later versions of TortoiseSVN (which we use for keeping things in sync on our local machines) have diff views for some types of images, which is neat. The trac interface will give you previews of .jpg files and the like, but won't do so for .flas or .swfs. It sounds like we're doing similar sorts of projects to you, tho', with some flas being used for layouts and assets, and we've coped fine using trac without having to do any special workarounds for binaries. HTH, Ian On 11/28/06, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ian, I wonder how trac handles binary files with its SVN interface. I ask this becouse we still use lots of FLA on our projects, of course, only for layout and graphic assets. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
Ian, I wonder how trac handles binary files with its SVN interface. I ask this becouse we still use lots of FLA on our projects, of course, only for layout and graphic assets. On 11/28/06, Ian Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 11/28/06, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Ian, thanks for the reply! > > Is it overkill to setup multiple projects in trac ? I mean, does it take too > much time and system resource to do so? No, it's just a couple of command-line statements. I'm not complaining about the time taken to set up the multiple projects; just that you can't get reporting across multiple projects without hacking it in yourself. :-) Ian ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
On 11/28/06, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Ian, thanks for the reply! Is it overkill to setup multiple projects in trac ? I mean, does it take too much time and system resource to do so? No, it's just a couple of command-line statements. I'm not complaining about the time taken to set up the multiple projects; just that you can't get reporting across multiple projects without hacking it in yourself. :-) Ian ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
Better thinking (and after taking a deep look into Streber's website), Streber's seems to be good. I'll take a better look into it later. The good thing about it is that it's easy to install yet have features equivalent to trac and is simple as well, don't know if it has svn integration though (probally not). On 11/28/06, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Ian, thanks for the reply! Is it overkill to setup multiple projects in trac ? I mean, does it take too much time and system resource to do so? We are not sure wether we go with trac or basecamp... I didn't really like the ones Anggie suggested (thanks for the suggestions anyway!) Marcelo. On 11/28/06, Ian Thomas < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I should add - I've used other systems in the past (notably Scarab for > issue tracking and both VSS and CVS for issue tracking) and the > current trac/SVN system beats them all hands down for ease-of-use and > stability. > > HTH, > Ian > > On 11/28/06, Ian Thomas < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Marcelo, > > We use trac/wvn for all our projects and it works very well for us; > > and it does support simple user/password authentication. > > > > The only downside is that trac is designed to host only one project - > > multiple projects mean multiple databases (if you want to seperate > > tickets etc.) and there's no reporting across the multiple databases. > > To get around this we've written a very simple front-end which > > collates all the 'outstanding tickets' RSS info into one web page, so > > each developer can see what's on his ToDo list. :-) It's working very > > well. > > > > Cheers, > > Ian > > > > On 11/28/06, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hey guys, > > > > > > We've got our own web development company (pretty small at moment, > but > > > that's not the question really :)) and we are looking forward to a > good > > > SCM/Project Management tool for all of our project managent needs. > We would > > > like to know what other fellow osflasher's use and maybe share some > insights > > > about these tools. We are considering to install trac on our server, > trac > > > seems to be a very good option (specially its integration with SVN), > however > > > I've only seen it used on open source projects so far and we will be > using > > > it only for our commercial projects (does it offer some kind of > > > user-authentication system?). > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Marcelo. > ___ > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > To change your subscription options or search the archive: > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > http://www.figleaf.com > http://training.figleaf.com > ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
Hi Ian, thanks for the reply! Is it overkill to setup multiple projects in trac ? I mean, does it take too much time and system resource to do so? We are not sure wether we go with trac or basecamp... I didn't really like the ones Anggie suggested (thanks for the suggestions anyway!) Marcelo. On 11/28/06, Ian Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I should add - I've used other systems in the past (notably Scarab for issue tracking and both VSS and CVS for issue tracking) and the current trac/SVN system beats them all hands down for ease-of-use and stability. HTH, Ian On 11/28/06, Ian Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Marcelo, > We use trac/wvn for all our projects and it works very well for us; > and it does support simple user/password authentication. > > The only downside is that trac is designed to host only one project - > multiple projects mean multiple databases (if you want to seperate > tickets etc.) and there's no reporting across the multiple databases. > To get around this we've written a very simple front-end which > collates all the 'outstanding tickets' RSS info into one web page, so > each developer can see what's on his ToDo list. :-) It's working very > well. > > Cheers, > Ian > > On 11/28/06, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey guys, > > > > We've got our own web development company (pretty small at moment, but > > that's not the question really :)) and we are looking forward to a good > > SCM/Project Management tool for all of our project managent needs. We would > > like to know what other fellow osflasher's use and maybe share some insights > > about these tools. We are considering to install trac on our server, trac > > seems to be a very good option (specially its integration with SVN), however > > I've only seen it used on open source projects so far and we will be using > > it only for our commercial projects (does it offer some kind of > > user-authentication system?). > > > > Thanks! > > > > Marcelo. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
Err... trac/svn, obviously. It's been a bad day... On 11/28/06, Ian Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Marcelo, We use trac/wvn for all our projects and it works very well for us; and it does support simple user/password authentication. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
hey Anggie, thanks for the tips :) On 11/28/06, Anggie Bratadinata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I use Streber [ http://www.streber-pm.org ]. It's lightweight, easy to setup and to use. If you want a PM with more features, e.g. Gantt chart, I think PHProjekt is worth a look. -- Anggie Bratadinata www.masputih.com I N D O N E S I A Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote: > Hey guys, > > We've got our own web development company (pretty small at moment, but > that's not the question really :)) and we are looking forward to a good > SCM/Project Management tool for all of our project managent needs. We would > like to know what other fellow osflasher's use and maybe share some > insights > about these tools. We are considering to install trac on our server, trac > seems to be a very good option (specially its integration with SVN), > however > I've only seen it used on open source projects so far and we will be using > it only for our commercial projects (does it offer some kind of > user-authentication system?). > > Thanks! > > Marcelo. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
I should add - I've used other systems in the past (notably Scarab for issue tracking and both VSS and CVS for issue tracking) and the current trac/SVN system beats them all hands down for ease-of-use and stability. HTH, Ian On 11/28/06, Ian Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Marcelo, We use trac/wvn for all our projects and it works very well for us; and it does support simple user/password authentication. The only downside is that trac is designed to host only one project - multiple projects mean multiple databases (if you want to seperate tickets etc.) and there's no reporting across the multiple databases. To get around this we've written a very simple front-end which collates all the 'outstanding tickets' RSS info into one web page, so each developer can see what's on his ToDo list. :-) It's working very well. Cheers, Ian On 11/28/06, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey guys, > > We've got our own web development company (pretty small at moment, but > that's not the question really :)) and we are looking forward to a good > SCM/Project Management tool for all of our project managent needs. We would > like to know what other fellow osflasher's use and maybe share some insights > about these tools. We are considering to install trac on our server, trac > seems to be a very good option (specially its integration with SVN), however > I've only seen it used on open source projects so far and we will be using > it only for our commercial projects (does it offer some kind of > user-authentication system?). > > Thanks! > > Marcelo. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
Hi Marcelo, We use trac/wvn for all our projects and it works very well for us; and it does support simple user/password authentication. The only downside is that trac is designed to host only one project - multiple projects mean multiple databases (if you want to seperate tickets etc.) and there's no reporting across the multiple databases. To get around this we've written a very simple front-end which collates all the 'outstanding tickets' RSS info into one web page, so each developer can see what's on his ToDo list. :-) It's working very well. Cheers, Ian On 11/28/06, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey guys, We've got our own web development company (pretty small at moment, but that's not the question really :)) and we are looking forward to a good SCM/Project Management tool for all of our project managent needs. We would like to know what other fellow osflasher's use and maybe share some insights about these tools. We are considering to install trac on our server, trac seems to be a very good option (specially its integration with SVN), however I've only seen it used on open source projects so far and we will be using it only for our commercial projects (does it offer some kind of user-authentication system?). Thanks! Marcelo. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] [OT] SCM/Project management tool
I use Streber [ http://www.streber-pm.org ]. It's lightweight, easy to setup and to use. If you want a PM with more features, e.g. Gantt chart, I think PHProjekt is worth a look. -- Anggie Bratadinata www.masputih.com I N D O N E S I A Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote: Hey guys, We've got our own web development company (pretty small at moment, but that's not the question really :)) and we are looking forward to a good SCM/Project Management tool for all of our project managent needs. We would like to know what other fellow osflasher's use and maybe share some insights about these tools. We are considering to install trac on our server, trac seems to be a very good option (specially its integration with SVN), however I've only seen it used on open source projects so far and we will be using it only for our commercial projects (does it offer some kind of user-authentication system?). Thanks! Marcelo. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
