Re: [Flashcoders] RANT: Collect Fonts Button
I agree 100% on this issue. I have lost count as to how many times the missing font issue has come up in projects. It always stalls a project, sometimes for days (especially when one group of developers are in a different time zone on the other side of the world). Adobe/Macromedia need to include this capability in the next Flash IDE. Stephen.___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] RANT: Collect Fonts Button
With respect to the legality, fonts may be likely candidates for piracy - but there's nothing to stop people swapping system font folders. So given that users can copy and swap font files, I really don't see the problem introducing a utility in the IDE that collects the fonts for any given project. For archival purposes alone, this would be very useful and save a great deal of time tracking down obscure fonts when ressurrecting some project dormant for some period of time. Suitcase is pretty useful. To try and get around this problem in house, we restored everyone's system fonts folder to the default os install. Then we agreed that we would create a suitcase for every project. This eased matters somewhat, but then we ran into the problem where the font name displayed in suitcase is not the same as the font name displayed in Flash. Not even the same family in some cases. So, it becomes impossible to determine which font file Flash is actually using to display any specific font in the IDE. If there was just an extension to the font mapping dialog that allowed us to see the physical font files being used by the IDE for each font, that would be a major step forward, and Flash could stick with the bizarro font naming convention...which I just don't get. Not wanting to divert this thread - but actually I think the font naming system is the heart of the problem. Why does Flash use different names for fonts than other applications? And where does Flash take that name from? Clark ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] RANT: Collect Fonts Button
When you use a Font in Flash, I believe it makes a slightly "optimized" version of each glyph and stored it in the library of the SWF... What would be nice is if adding a font to your Library stored the whole font in the FLA in the same format. At the very least, It would be nice if Text maintained its font like Photoshop documents do, as un-editable(without losing the font) art. On Apr 14, 2006, at 9:28 AM, jim wrote: I fit is illigal (which I agree is the case) how does Quark get around that issue? Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shaw, Matt (MTVN) Sent: 13 April 2006 23:19 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] RANT: Collect Fonts Button This would be illegal unless the fonts included a license which allowed copying them and sending them around. Unless the fonts were free... But yes, I agree that it is annoying. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of clark slater Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:16 PM To: [ExtendFlash]; [FlashCoders] Subject: [Flashcoders] RANT: Collect Fonts Button Print designers who use QuarkXpress have had an essential utility for years. They can collect all the fonts used in a project so that when passing the source file to a bureau for print the exact same fonts are supplied along with the artwork and layout. I cannot begin to list all the times we have encountered major pain because the designer who created a particular FLA has lost the fonts or reinstalled their operating system or for whatever reason can no longer get their hands on the fonts. It is such a phenomenal pain in the tits. In terms of production time this is a VERY costly problem. We have literally wasted hours screwing around with fonts trying to track down the exact font used in a particular file. Sometimes the font might be correct version - but different kerning table means it reflows everywhere. Aggh. Often made worse by the way that font names are handled differently in Flash than in other programs using the exact same file. The scope for confusion is enormous. Even using third party font management tools like suitcase does not alleviate the problems because of the way that most design applications will install their own dirty secret fonts into the system fonts folder. Given the number of FLA files that are shared from designer to developer, agency to client to agency to freelancer etc. I simply cannot understand why Macromedia never saw fit to implement a utility like Quark has so it would be easy to collect all the fonts used in a particular file for handoff to the next part of the production workflow. The chance of font piracy is not a strong enough argument to explain why this critical design feature has been left out. After all anyone wanting to pirate fonts can just swap the contents of their system fonts folder etc. Clearly, I sincerely hope this is included in the next version of the Flash IDE - but I'm not holding my breath as it's been a submitted wishlist item since version 3 or 4! In the meantime it would be great if there was a way to handle this with JSFL. Unfortunately I can't see any way to access the fonts used property of a document. I'm sure we are not the only agency nearly driven to dementia with these kind of Flash font related issues. If anyone else out there shares our anguish please speak up, we need to convince Adobe to include proper font management in the next Flash IDE. And on the offchance that anyone has found a funky solution to this most annoying of problems, I will at the very least buy you a case of your favorite beer. And if anyone has any insights to how this could be pulled off with JSFL I would be very interested to discuss. OK anyone that made it this far thanks for listening to my ranting. Maybe we're the only Flash agency lame enough to be so badly affected by such font problems coz I don't really see this discussed anywhere, or maybe there's some really slick or simple solution that everyone else is using...but I'm betting not. In which case it seems like an extension that could fix this would be a *really* shit hot item for someone to develop and offer to the Flash community as a whole. Clark Slater www.bayinteractive.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http:// www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Pre
Re: [Flashcoders] RANT: Collect Fonts Button
It's not always illegal, in the Quark example, the passing of Fonts would be to a Printer. Some Licenses exempt the Printer (or Reproduction processes) from the restrictions. Also most Printers buy into a large scale license for a whole family or even firm, allowing the use of any font delivered with creative work. Also, the problem mentioned between Designers and Developers, that license will be covered by the company, so no problem there. Clients shouldn't be editing the work (or they should buy the Font licence in the first place. AS for freelancers, they always seem to be sitting on legal grey areas (Software used within companies, music rights), but it tends to be when working for a company the company covers licenses... As for the actual problem, I agree... would be useful even if just for Archiving past projects. Suitcase can create Job based sets, and probably collect those... but that means creating a new set per job. I've never been organized enough to get this far anyhow! Dan On 14 Apr 2006, at 14:28, jim wrote: I fit is illigal (which I agree is the case) how does Quark get around that issue? Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shaw, Matt (MTVN) Sent: 13 April 2006 23:19 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] RANT: Collect Fonts Button This would be illegal unless the fonts included a license which allowed copying them and sending them around. Unless the fonts were free... But yes, I agree that it is annoying. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of clark slater Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:16 PM To: [ExtendFlash]; [FlashCoders] Subject: [Flashcoders] RANT: Collect Fonts Button Print designers who use QuarkXpress have had an essential utility for years. They can collect all the fonts used in a project so that when passing the source file to a bureau for print the exact same fonts are supplied along with the artwork and layout. I cannot begin to list all the times we have encountered major pain because the designer who created a particular FLA has lost the fonts or reinstalled their operating system or for whatever reason can no longer get their hands on the fonts. It is such a phenomenal pain in the tits. In terms of production time this is a VERY costly problem. We have literally wasted hours screwing around with fonts trying to track down the exact font used in a particular file. Sometimes the font might be correct version - but different kerning table means it reflows everywhere. Aggh. Often made worse by the way that font names are handled differently in Flash than in other programs using the exact same file. The scope for confusion is enormous. Even using third party font management tools like suitcase does not alleviate the problems because of the way that most design applications will install their own dirty secret fonts into the system fonts folder. Given the number of FLA files that are shared from designer to developer, agency to client to agency to freelancer etc. I simply cannot understand why Macromedia never saw fit to implement a utility like Quark has so it would be easy to collect all the fonts used in a particular file for handoff to the next part of the production workflow. The chance of font piracy is not a strong enough argument to explain why this critical design feature has been left out. After all anyone wanting to pirate fonts can just swap the contents of their system fonts folder etc. Clearly, I sincerely hope this is included in the next version of the Flash IDE - but I'm not holding my breath as it's been a submitted wishlist item since version 3 or 4! In the meantime it would be great if there was a way to handle this with JSFL. Unfortunately I can't see any way to access the fonts used property of a document. I'm sure we are not the only agency nearly driven to dementia with these kind of Flash font related issues. If anyone else out there shares our anguish please speak up, we need to convince Adobe to include proper font management in the next Flash IDE. And on the offchance that anyone has found a funky solution to this most annoying of problems, I will at the very least buy you a case of your favorite beer. And if anyone has any insights to how this could be pulled off with JSFL I would be very interested to discuss. OK anyone that made it this far thanks for listening to my ranting. Maybe we're the only Flash agency lame enough to be so badly affected by such font problems coz I don't really see this discussed anywhere, or maybe there's some really slick or simple solution that everyone else is using...but I'm betting not. In which case it seems like an extension that could fix this would be a *really* shit hot item for someone to develop and offer to the Flash comm
RE: [Flashcoders] RANT: Collect Fonts Button
I fit is illigal (which I agree is the case) how does Quark get around that issue? Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shaw, Matt (MTVN) Sent: 13 April 2006 23:19 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] RANT: Collect Fonts Button This would be illegal unless the fonts included a license which allowed copying them and sending them around. Unless the fonts were free... But yes, I agree that it is annoying. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of clark slater Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:16 PM To: [ExtendFlash]; [FlashCoders] Subject: [Flashcoders] RANT: Collect Fonts Button Print designers who use QuarkXpress have had an essential utility for years. They can collect all the fonts used in a project so that when passing the source file to a bureau for print the exact same fonts are supplied along with the artwork and layout. I cannot begin to list all the times we have encountered major pain because the designer who created a particular FLA has lost the fonts or reinstalled their operating system or for whatever reason can no longer get their hands on the fonts. It is such a phenomenal pain in the tits. In terms of production time this is a VERY costly problem. We have literally wasted hours screwing around with fonts trying to track down the exact font used in a particular file. Sometimes the font might be correct version - but different kerning table means it reflows everywhere. Aggh. Often made worse by the way that font names are handled differently in Flash than in other programs using the exact same file. The scope for confusion is enormous. Even using third party font management tools like suitcase does not alleviate the problems because of the way that most design applications will install their own dirty secret fonts into the system fonts folder. Given the number of FLA files that are shared from designer to developer, agency to client to agency to freelancer etc. I simply cannot understand why Macromedia never saw fit to implement a utility like Quark has so it would be easy to collect all the fonts used in a particular file for handoff to the next part of the production workflow. The chance of font piracy is not a strong enough argument to explain why this critical design feature has been left out. After all anyone wanting to pirate fonts can just swap the contents of their system fonts folder etc. Clearly, I sincerely hope this is included in the next version of the Flash IDE - but I'm not holding my breath as it's been a submitted wishlist item since version 3 or 4! In the meantime it would be great if there was a way to handle this with JSFL. Unfortunately I can't see any way to access the fonts used property of a document. I'm sure we are not the only agency nearly driven to dementia with these kind of Flash font related issues. If anyone else out there shares our anguish please speak up, we need to convince Adobe to include proper font management in the next Flash IDE. And on the offchance that anyone has found a funky solution to this most annoying of problems, I will at the very least buy you a case of your favorite beer. And if anyone has any insights to how this could be pulled off with JSFL I would be very interested to discuss. OK anyone that made it this far thanks for listening to my ranting. Maybe we're the only Flash agency lame enough to be so badly affected by such font problems coz I don't really see this discussed anywhere, or maybe there's some really slick or simple solution that everyone else is using...but I'm betting not. In which case it seems like an extension that could fix this would be a *really* shit hot item for someone to develop and offer to the Flash community as a whole. Clark Slater www.bayinteractive.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] RANT: Collect Fonts Button
On Apr 13, 2006, at 5:15 PM, clark slater wrote: Often made worse by the way that font names are handled differently in Flash than in other programs using the exact same file. I've always loved how my creative director specs out a design in Photoshop using one of many versions of Myriad, but the rest of us who use Flash on a Mac can't get any more than 2 faces (normal, italic) to work in Flash. That's my 2 cents :-) Brian Mays ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] RANT: Collect Fonts Button
So how can QuarkXpress offer such a utility? Or FlightCheck? I haven't done any print work in years - and I haven't yet had any *major* issues with Flash and font management, knock on wood. However I did pick up some good habits from when I did work in print, and I'm very impressed with the latest version of Suitcase - "Suitcase Fusion". It's merged with Font Reserve now, so you can get rid of fonts throughout your system and let Suitcase manage them in one repository. And you can collect for output. Adobe has more than enough expertise with fonts & font management (ATM) that they should be able to add it to the next generation apps. I'm with you. -Daniel On Apr 13, 2006, at 6:40 PM, clark slater wrote: So how can QuarkXpress offer such a utility? I don't think it would be illegal to collect the fonts used in a FLA by using a utility in the Flash IDE. It's up to the user to ensure that font licensing terms are met in terms of subsequent distribution etc. Clark On 4/13/06, Shaw, Matt (MTVN) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This would be illegal unless the fonts included a license which allowed copying them and sending them around. Unless the fonts were free... But yes, I agree that it is annoying. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of clark slater Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:16 PM To: [ExtendFlash]; [FlashCoders] Subject: [Flashcoders] RANT: Collect Fonts Button Print designers who use QuarkXpress have had an essential utility for years. They can collect all the fonts used in a project so that when passing the source file to a bureau for print the exact same fonts are supplied along with the artwork and layout. I cannot begin to list all the times we have encountered major pain because the designer who created a particular FLA has lost the fonts or reinstalled their operating system or for whatever reason can no longer get their hands on the fonts. It is such a phenomenal pain in the tits. In terms of production time this is a VERY costly problem. We have literally wasted hours screwing around with fonts trying to track down the exact font used in a particular file. Sometimes the font might be correct version - but different kerning table means it reflows everywhere. Aggh. Often made worse by the way that font names are handled differently in Flash than in other programs using the exact same file. The scope for confusion is enormous. Even using third party font management tools like suitcase does not alleviate the problems because of the way that most design applications will install their own dirty secret fonts into the system fonts folder. Given the number of FLA files that are shared from designer to developer, agency to client to agency to freelancer etc. I simply cannot understand why Macromedia never saw fit to implement a utility like Quark has so it would be easy to collect all the fonts used in a particular file for handoff to the next part of the production workflow. The chance of font piracy is not a strong enough argument to explain why this critical design feature has been left out. After all anyone wanting to pirate fonts can just swap the contents of their system fonts folder etc. Clearly, I sincerely hope this is included in the next version of the Flash IDE - but I'm not holding my breath as it's been a submitted wishlist item since version 3 or 4! In the meantime it would be great if there was a way to handle this with JSFL. Unfortunately I can't see any way to access the fonts used property of a document. I'm sure we are not the only agency nearly driven to dementia with these kind of Flash font related issues. If anyone else out there shares our anguish please speak up, we need to convince Adobe to include proper font management in the next Flash IDE. And on the offchance that anyone has found a funky solution to this most annoying of problems, I will at the very least buy you a case of your favorite beer. And if anyone has any insights to how this could be pulled off with JSFL I would be very interested to discuss. OK anyone that made it this far thanks for listening to my ranting. Maybe we're the only Flash agency lame enough to be so badly affected by such font problems coz I don't really see this discussed anywhere, or maybe there's some really slick or simple solution that everyone else is using...but I'm betting not. In which case it seems like an extension that could fix this would be a *really* shit hot item for someone to develop and offer to the Flash community as a whole. Clark Slater www.bayinteractive.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com _
Re: [Flashcoders] RANT: Collect Fonts Button
So how can QuarkXpress offer such a utility? I don't think it would be illegal to collect the fonts used in a FLA by using a utility in the Flash IDE. It's up to the user to ensure that font licensing terms are met in terms of subsequent distribution etc. Clark On 4/13/06, Shaw, Matt (MTVN) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This would be illegal unless the fonts included a license which allowed > copying them and sending them around. Unless the fonts were free... > > But yes, I agree that it is annoying. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of clark > slater > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:16 PM > To: [ExtendFlash]; [FlashCoders] > Subject: [Flashcoders] RANT: Collect Fonts Button > > Print designers who use QuarkXpress have had an essential utility for > years. > They can collect all the fonts used in a project so that when passing > the source file to a bureau for print the exact same fonts are supplied > along with the artwork and layout. > > I cannot begin to list all the times we have encountered major pain > because the designer who created a particular FLA has lost the fonts or > reinstalled their operating system or for whatever reason can no longer > get their hands on the fonts. It is such a phenomenal pain in the tits. > In terms of production time this is a VERY costly problem. We have > literally wasted hours screwing around with fonts trying to track down > the exact font used in a particular file. Sometimes the font might be > correct version - but different kerning table means it reflows > everywhere. Aggh. > > Often made worse by the way that font names are handled differently in > Flash than in other programs using the exact same file. The scope for > confusion is enormous. Even using third party font management tools like > suitcase does not alleviate the problems because of the way that most > design applications will install their own dirty secret fonts into the > system fonts folder. > > Given the number of FLA files that are shared from designer to > developer, agency to client to agency to freelancer etc. I simply cannot > understand why Macromedia never saw fit to implement a utility like > Quark has so it would be easy to collect all the fonts used in a > particular file for handoff to the next part of the production workflow. > The chance of font piracy is not a strong enough argument to explain why > this critical design feature has been left out. After all anyone wanting > to pirate fonts can just swap the contents of their system fonts folder > etc. > > Clearly, I sincerely hope this is included in the next version of the > Flash IDE - but I'm not holding my breath as it's been a submitted > wishlist item since version 3 or 4! In the meantime it would be great if > there was a way to handle this with JSFL. Unfortunately I can't see any > way to access the fonts used property of a document. > > I'm sure we are not the only agency nearly driven to dementia with these > kind of Flash font related issues. If anyone else out there shares our > anguish please speak up, we need to convince Adobe to include proper > font management in the next Flash IDE. And on the offchance that anyone > has found a funky solution to this most annoying of problems, I will at > the very least buy you a case of your favorite beer. And if anyone has > any insights to how this could be pulled off with JSFL I would be very > interested to discuss. > > OK anyone that made it this far thanks for listening to my ranting. > > Maybe we're the only Flash agency lame enough to be so badly affected by > such font problems coz I don't really see this discussed anywhere, or > maybe there's some really slick or simple solution that everyone else is > using...but I'm betting not. In which case it seems like an extension > that could fix this would be a *really* shit hot item for someone to > develop and offer to the Flash community as a whole. > > > Clark Slater > www.bayinteractive.com > ___ > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > To change your subscription options or search the archive: > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com > http://training.figleaf.com > ___ > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > To change your subscription options or search the archive: > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > http://www.figleaf.com > http://training.figleaf.com > ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Tra
RE: [Flashcoders] RANT: Collect Fonts Button
This would be illegal unless the fonts included a license which allowed copying them and sending them around. Unless the fonts were free... But yes, I agree that it is annoying. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of clark slater Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:16 PM To: [ExtendFlash]; [FlashCoders] Subject: [Flashcoders] RANT: Collect Fonts Button Print designers who use QuarkXpress have had an essential utility for years. They can collect all the fonts used in a project so that when passing the source file to a bureau for print the exact same fonts are supplied along with the artwork and layout. I cannot begin to list all the times we have encountered major pain because the designer who created a particular FLA has lost the fonts or reinstalled their operating system or for whatever reason can no longer get their hands on the fonts. It is such a phenomenal pain in the tits. In terms of production time this is a VERY costly problem. We have literally wasted hours screwing around with fonts trying to track down the exact font used in a particular file. Sometimes the font might be correct version - but different kerning table means it reflows everywhere. Aggh. Often made worse by the way that font names are handled differently in Flash than in other programs using the exact same file. The scope for confusion is enormous. Even using third party font management tools like suitcase does not alleviate the problems because of the way that most design applications will install their own dirty secret fonts into the system fonts folder. Given the number of FLA files that are shared from designer to developer, agency to client to agency to freelancer etc. I simply cannot understand why Macromedia never saw fit to implement a utility like Quark has so it would be easy to collect all the fonts used in a particular file for handoff to the next part of the production workflow. The chance of font piracy is not a strong enough argument to explain why this critical design feature has been left out. After all anyone wanting to pirate fonts can just swap the contents of their system fonts folder etc. Clearly, I sincerely hope this is included in the next version of the Flash IDE - but I'm not holding my breath as it's been a submitted wishlist item since version 3 or 4! In the meantime it would be great if there was a way to handle this with JSFL. Unfortunately I can't see any way to access the fonts used property of a document. I'm sure we are not the only agency nearly driven to dementia with these kind of Flash font related issues. If anyone else out there shares our anguish please speak up, we need to convince Adobe to include proper font management in the next Flash IDE. And on the offchance that anyone has found a funky solution to this most annoying of problems, I will at the very least buy you a case of your favorite beer. And if anyone has any insights to how this could be pulled off with JSFL I would be very interested to discuss. OK anyone that made it this far thanks for listening to my ranting. Maybe we're the only Flash agency lame enough to be so badly affected by such font problems coz I don't really see this discussed anywhere, or maybe there's some really slick or simple solution that everyone else is using...but I'm betting not. In which case it seems like an extension that could fix this would be a *really* shit hot item for someone to develop and offer to the Flash community as a whole. Clark Slater www.bayinteractive.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
