RE: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
> > just a quick test under vmware: > > ubuntu 4.10: firefox 1.04: w/o image : WORKS > w image : CRASH > > i wonder why you cannot for the sake reproduce this. i really wonder. > ... > files: > http://onupdate.de/ > > should crash OSX-browsers (at least <10.4) too. > I'm just saying if you want improvement in this situation That you should take the time to provide any necessary informations to the people concerned the most by this crash and who can help you solve it really contact Macromedia, explain them the crash you're experiencing and provide them link, source code, fla, as, whatever is necessary for them to help you solve those crash zwetan ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
if a feature is sometimes working and sometimes not, what shall we call it in your opinion ? Lazy ? When I'm feeling generous, I would call the linux Flash player a prematurely released beta. That's about it. ryanm ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
zwetan schrieb: No offense too just a quick test under vmware: ubuntu 4.10: firefox 1.04: w/o image : WORKS w image : CRASH i wonder why you cannot for the sake reproduce this. i really wonder. ... files: http://onupdate.de/ should crash OSX-browsers (at least <10.4) too. micha ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
> > > > How about reporting reproducible steps of the bug here and someone > > will get it to the engineers to look at? If its a crashing bug, like > > you have said, and it is reproducible, then please post it up. > > Otherwise, like Stan said, this indeed comes across like a rant. > > > didn't you read the whole thread ? i posted those steps, no ? > No offense too But the steps you had provided are no use to do a debug or a test This as a dev on any app would be classified As NEED MORE INFO NOT REPRODUCIBLE Or NOT A BUG If you can not provide a crashing file either in source code Or FLA source or well defined steps to reproduce the bugs AND the machine/os/system configuration where those crashing occurs This "crashing" will never be solved Dev can not solve bugs they can not tests and/or reproduce That's all, not even need to complain or rant zwetan ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
Eric E. Dolecki schrieb: I didn't read that far down. So one of us will try to reproduce your bug and send it in to MM. Thanks. Eric that would be nice. i didn't say this, but it never ever crashed on windoze, not on IE not on WinFF not WinOpera, but all browsers i and my clients could get my hands on, for Linux and OSX (~ 10.39) crashed. micha ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
I didn't read that far down. So one of us will try to reproduce your bug and send it in to MM. Thanks. Eric On Oct 20, 2005, at 7:38 AM, Michael Stuhr wrote: Eric E. Dolecki schrieb: micha, How about reporting reproducible steps of the bug here and someone will get it to the engineers to look at? If its a crashing bug, like you have said, and it is reproducible, then please post it up. Otherwise, like Stan said, this indeed comes across like a rant. didn't you read the whole thread ? i posted those steps, no ? micha ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
Eric E. Dolecki schrieb: micha, How about reporting reproducible steps of the bug here and someone will get it to the engineers to look at? If its a crashing bug, like you have said, and it is reproducible, then please post it up. Otherwise, like Stan said, this indeed comes across like a rant. didn't you read the whole thread ? i posted those steps, no ? micha ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
micha, How about reporting reproducible steps of the bug here and someone will get it to the engineers to look at? If its a crashing bug, like you have said, and it is reproducible, then please post it up. Otherwise, like Stan said, this indeed comes across like a rant. Eric Dolecki On Oct 20, 2005, at 7:04 AM, Michael Stuhr wrote: Stan Vassilev schrieb: If you strongly complain about the bug but don't want to help with material to get it reproduced and fixed, should I consider this post a "rant" :)? Anyway, up to you, of course. no offense mate, but if i'd say this to my customers, i'd get fired. point. micha ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
Stan Vassilev schrieb: If you strongly complain about the bug but don't want to help with material to get it reproduced and fixed, should I consider this post a "rant" :)? Anyway, up to you, of course. no offense mate, but if i'd say this to my customers, i'd get fired. point. micha ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
If you strongly complain about the bug but don't want to help with material to get it reproduced and fixed, should I consider this post a "rant" :)? Anyway, up to you, of course. Regards, Stan Vassilev Stan Vassilev schrieb: Trust me the MM engineers are definitely interested in fixing crash bugs. If you can provide files where they see this happen it'll help a lot. i'd like to trust you, no problem, but i have no will to spend my time on bug-fixing. i should say, that i believe the bug is there, maybe not in te player itself but in my app. there is a chance that i took an unusual way to get what i wanted, but either if this is the case: it's an enourmous bug, since i told my client they'd be able to change those files by themselves with little knowledge of html, which they have. micha ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
Stan Vassilev schrieb: Trust me the MM engineers are definitely interested in fixing crash bugs. If you can provide files where they see this happen it'll help a lot. i'd like to trust you, no problem, but i have no will to spend my time on bug-fixing. i should say, that i believe the bug is there, maybe not in te player itself but in my app. there is a chance that i took an unusual way to get what i wanted, but either if this is the case: it's an enourmous bug, since i told my client they'd be able to change those files by themselves with little knowledge of html, which they have. micha ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
Trust me the MM engineers are definitely interested in fixing crash bugs. If you can provide files where they see this happen it'll help a lot. So far I've seen images wrongly positioned, but not crashing the player, so you may have something specific going on there which will be hard to reproduce with just that description. I did this in summer this year. Nobody was really interested. have no example at hand right now but summary is: i have an app that shows different states like tabs. each time you choose a new tab, a html is loaded via xml.load() into a textarea (v2). this html sometimes contains tags, and the fonts are embedded as i said earlier. on Linux and OSX it crashes (to be more precise: on linux it freezes until it at last crashes :-) ) every browser, reproducable. I have then tried un-embedded fonts (sans) but the results were the same. i than read somehwere in the coders archives (sorray no link here) that others had this problems too (since v6 ?), and it had to do with the images, so i deleted all tags and woosh! no crashes anymore. It's that simple. i wonder why nobody else has seen this before. greets micha ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
Stan Vassilev schrieb: Can you please post a sample that does this? If you found a way to crash the OSX player a reproducible sample can be given to the engineers to fix it. It's not as if the Windows version is perfect and Macromedia doesn't care for OSX or Linux, but bugs happen, and then are fixed. You can also post about it in the forums of Macromedia Labs if you want. I did this in summer this year. Nobody was really interested. have no example at hand right now but summary is: i have an app that shows different states like tabs. each time you choose a new tab, a html is loaded via xml.load() into a textarea (v2). this html sometimes contains tags, and the fonts are embedded as i said earlier. on Linux and OSX it crashes (to be more precise: on linux it freezes until it at last crashes :-) ) every browser, reproducable. I have then tried un-embedded fonts (sans) but the results were the same. i than read somehwere in the coders archives (sorray no link here) that others had this problems too (since v6 ?), and it had to do with the images, so i deleted all tags and woosh! no crashes anymore. It's that simple. i wonder why nobody else has seen this before. greets micha ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
Can you please post a sample that does this? If you found a way to crash the OSX player a reproducible sample can be given to the engineers to fix it. It's not as if the Windows version is perfect and Macromedia doesn't care for OSX or Linux, but bugs happen, and then are fixed. You can also post about it in the forums of Macromedia Labs if you want. i wouldn't, i'm not even telling thwm that OSX is supported. (Since embedded images in textfields with embedded fonts crashes nearly all browsers on OSX.) micha ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
ryanm schrieb: buggy. you should ask them. they know best. I wouldn't call it buggy, I would call it an incomplete implementation. if a feature is sometimes working and sometimes not, what shall we call it in your opinion ? Lazy ? Do yourself a favor and don't tell your customers that linux is supported. i wouldn't, i'm not even telling thwm that OSX is supported. (Since embedded images in textfields with embedded fonts crashes nearly all browsers on OSX.) micha ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
You know Microsoft isn't even tagreting Linux with WPF/E as far as I know. It targets mobiles, older Windows OS and Mac. Even Firefox has some truly weird bugs on Linux which aren't present on either Windows or Mac (I've tested Ubuntu which comes with Firefox). Linux is just... not the best Desktop OS to develop stuff for (yet). (but it's the best mainstream server technology when coupled with Apache / PHP as far as I'm concerned) Regards, Stan Vassilev buggy. you should ask them. they know best. I wouldn't call it buggy, I would call it an incomplete implementation. Do yourself a favor and don't tell your customers that linux is supported. ryanm ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
buggy. you should ask them. they know best. I wouldn't call it buggy, I would call it an incomplete implementation. Do yourself a favor and don't tell your customers that linux is supported. ryanm ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
> 1. slower > 2. right-click context menu looks funny and takes a second or two to > pop up sometimes > 3. sound doesn't work sometimes (though this may be my fault) > 4. text rendering problems: on some sites, dynamic text doesn't show > up. This may be a browser problem, but I think it's flash. > 5. focus problems - sometimes i can't seem to get the flash movie to > recieve keyboard focus. 6. xml socket jams when receiving data in quick order 7. flash is always rendered on top i believe the text rendering problem are fonts that the developer didn't include because of the false assumption they would be present on all systems. not sure, though. as for standalone, pf8 and fp8.5 work well with wine, as far as i have tested. can't wait for a new linux plugin -- yes, 8.5 preferably. unfortunately it will probably take a while, considering the job for principal engineer for the linux player is still open: http://www.macromedia.com/macromedia/hr/reqs/engineering/2907br.html (link taken from this very informative blog post which happens to be relevant for this discussion: http://www.kaourantin.net/2005/08/porting-flash-player-to-alternative.html btw, Tinic's blog is great. go read it now if you haven't yet.) mark On 10/20/05, David Rorex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 10/19/05, Michael Stuhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > eric dolecki schrieb: > > >Is the FP7 for Linux pretty solid? Has anyone tried it - and it looks like > > >its plugin only, no standalone. Which is okay I guess. > > > > > buggy. you should ask them. they know best. > > > > I believe there is a FP6 standalone for linux, but FP7 is plugin only > afaik. It is slower, and has a couple of bugs, compared to its windows > counterpart. Main problems I've had with it: > > 1. slower > 2. right-click context menu looks funny and takes a second or two to > pop up sometimes > 3. sound doesn't work sometimes (though this may be my fault) > 4. text rendering problems: on some sites, dynamic text doesn't show > up. This may be a browser problem, but I think it's flash. > 5. focus problems - sometimes i can't seem to get the flash movie to > recieve keyboard focus. > > -David R > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > -- http://snafoo.org/ jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
On 10/19/05, Michael Stuhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > eric dolecki schrieb: > >Is the FP7 for Linux pretty solid? Has anyone tried it - and it looks like > >its plugin only, no standalone. Which is okay I guess. > > > buggy. you should ask them. they know best. > I believe there is a FP6 standalone for linux, but FP7 is plugin only afaik. It is slower, and has a couple of bugs, compared to its windows counterpart. Main problems I've had with it: 1. slower 2. right-click context menu looks funny and takes a second or two to pop up sometimes 3. sound doesn't work sometimes (though this may be my fault) 4. text rendering problems: on some sites, dynamic text doesn't show up. This may be a browser problem, but I think it's flash. 5. focus problems - sometimes i can't seem to get the flash movie to recieve keyboard focus. -David R ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
eric dolecki schrieb: Is the FP7 for Linux pretty solid? Has anyone tried it - and it looks like its plugin only, no standalone. Which is okay I guess. e.dolecki buggy. you should ask them. they know best. micha ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
given 8.5 is out in uhmm... dunno but less than year, it make more sense to me that they skip 8.0 for linux and go for 8.5 .. On 10/19/05, eric dolecki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: whats the current rev of flash to run on linux? any plans for fp8 for linux? etc... flash player 7 on linux. they are working on flash player 8, but it's going to be quite a while. i think it was last month or two they were trying to hire someone to work on it for them. I wouldn't expect it for at least 6 months. (fp7 for linux came out like 8+ months after fp7 for windows IIRC) -David R ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
Is the FP7 for Linux pretty solid? Has anyone tried it - and it looks like its plugin only, no standalone. Which is okay I guess. e.dolecki On 10/19/05, David Rorex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 10/19/05, eric dolecki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > whats the current rev of flash to run on linux? any plans for fp8 for > linux? > > etc... > > flash player 7 on linux. they are working on flash player 8, but it's > going to be quite a while. i think it was last month or two they were > trying to hire someone to work on it for them. I wouldn't expect it > for at least 6 months. (fp7 for linux came out like 8+ months after > fp7 for windows IIRC) > > -David R > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] flash & linux
On 10/19/05, eric dolecki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > whats the current rev of flash to run on linux? any plans for fp8 for linux? > etc... flash player 7 on linux. they are working on flash player 8, but it's going to be quite a while. i think it was last month or two they were trying to hire someone to work on it for them. I wouldn't expect it for at least 6 months. (fp7 for linux came out like 8+ months after fp7 for windows IIRC) -David R ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
