from:"Bruce Cichowlas"

Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are available to whom when and how

2005-12-27 Thread Bruce Cichowlas




I've used Axis on other projects, but I'm not sure how this interaction as a RemoteObject would look in the context of Flex 2.0 .  Do you know of a working example of this somewhere?  I'm not sure what I would code on the Flex side and I'm not sure what I'd need to do on the server side to make it compatible and synchronize.
I'm also wondering whether everything is available to support developing this demo for as long as it takes or if I will at some point have to buy a license for one thing or another to continue development.  I also need to know how to explain the production operational costs to a potential investor.  Potentially this is an application run by large companies on their own servers for many subscribers.
And from a technical viewpoint, I'm still wondering how to implement these arbitrary small shapes (such as states on a map) that need to change to one of a number of colors.  I'd probably be able to answer that by myself if I were a Flash developer, but my Flash experience is limited to having run through the examples of a much earlier version of Flash.
I know that's a lot of questions.Thanks,BruceOn 12/27/05, Matt Chotin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:



I think you'll find 1.5 a more stable development experience in the next
month though of course 2.0 offers a lot of stuff.  For RemoteObject in
2.0 for now you do need the 2.0 CF adapter, but as many folks will be
happy to point out you could also just expose your Java objects via a
WebService using Apache Axis instead (this should be done in the 2.0
samples maybe but is definitely in 1.5 for reference).  The Flex 2 alpha
will hint at functionality (like RemoteObject) that may not actually be
functional in your configuration.

Matt

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From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of JesterXL
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:39 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features
are available to whom when and how

I cannot answer all of your questions, but here are my suggestions.
- assuming on Windows, download Apache Tomcat
- download Flex 1.5 demo
- install Flex 1.5 demo with just FlexBuilder 1.5
- copy and paste the flex.war & samples.war files into Tomcat's webapps 
directory

Hit the samples page to ensure all is well.  On mine, it's:

http://localhost:8080/samples/

I've yet to get Flex 2 to work with Remoting + AMFPHP.  Considering AMF
(the 
binary format used to send serialized class bits across the wire) is 
undergoing big changes, OpenAMF (Java) and AMFPHP (PHP) don't really
work 
yet.

I've heard of some people getting Remoting to work with the CFAdapter,
but I 
don't use CF ( I do at work, but I don't code it).  Some have reported 
success with the WebService/HTTPService.

Me?  I use Flex 1.5 every day and it works great.  At night, I moonlight
in 
Flex 2, but she's still alpha, so we have a ways to go.

The bad news is, for those client developers (like me) who only care
about 
the client, Flex 1.5 has the server requirement.  However, you can still

snag SWF's off of the server once compiled as well as to show clients of

what's possible.  Good news, she works great, HTTPService (GET/POST)
works, 
WebService works, and RemoteObject works with AMFPHP, OpenAMF, and 
ColdFusion.

Hope that helps some.  Feel free to post more questions.

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From: "BCichowlas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:22 PM
Subject: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are 
available to whom when and how


Hi!

I'm an independent developer trying to put together an RIA demo for
potential investors in a proposed enterprise.  This proposed
enterprise is not a software company but would make heavy use of an
RIA application.

My most reasonable choices seem to be Flex, Laszlo or Ajax (in its
many variations).  I spent the last week with the Iteration Two Flex
book, downloading what is available freely to developers from the
Macromedia/Adobe site.

As part of my demo, I need to be able to change the color of irregular
small shapes.  The shapes themselves are known in advance and don't
change.  For the sake of discussion, it is as if I had an outline of
New England, divided into the six New England states and I wanted to
be able to choose one of eight colors for each of the states based on
user interaction.

After looking at the complexities of Ajax, Flex seemed like an ideal
choice.  Since I develop under Eclipse and since the 2.0 alpha seemed
like a generally usable version, it was my first choice.  However, the
examples in the Iteration Two book seem to be written for 1.0 or 1.5,
and I spent quite a while trying to run them under 2.0 with varying
degrees of success.

My database needs for this demo application are modest, but I did want
to be able to use RemoteObject.  I was never able to get anything
using RemoteObject to operate successfully.  I

Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are available to whom when and how

2005-12-28 Thread Bruce Cichowlas

I'm wondering which of the ways to implement the color-changing irregular shapes might work or whether I should be learning to do something custom with Flash, such as making a movie in which the irregular shape changes between the eight colors. I don't know enough about using Flash controls within Flex to know whether that is an appropriate and feasible idea or not.
Thanks,BruceOn 12/28/05, Weyert de Boer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

What's the problem?

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Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are available to whom when and how

2005-12-28 Thread Bruce Cichowlas




Thanks for the prompt reply.I can see how your suggestion would work, but in my case I don't think I can use the background color.  Imagine if the shapes were the six states of New England on a map.  I want to be able to control the color of each state to be one of eight colors.
I can see a few approaches.  One would be to treat the whole map of New England as a graphic and then somehow repaint the individual state, perhaps on a pixel by pixel basis.  I suppose that could work, but it would be tedious.
Another way would be to have a graphic object of each state with a transparent background and then overlay them appropriately in their appropriate positions.  However, the color I would have to then change would be the foreground object color and I don't know that there is a simple way to do that.  I could, perhaps, supply eight graphics for each state and then switch between them using _javascript_ to alter the DHTML.  That might be feasible for six states, but if the map included all fifty states, I would need at least 50 * 8 graphic objects to use that approach.
A third way might be to somehow use areamaps and regions, but I don't know if that would result in DHTML where I could easily recolor a region.What do you think would work?Bruce
On 12/28/05, JesterXL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:









Can help with #3.
 
Here's a sample:
 
 xmlns:mx="http://www.macromedia.com/2003/mxml
" initialize="initApp()">   id="color_cb"   change="setColor(event)">0x00
 0x66 0x66  id="colorMe_box"  borderStyle="solid"  width="100" 
height="100"/>
 

 
- Original Message - 
From: 
Bruce 
Cichowlas 
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what 
features are available to whom when and how
I've used Axis on other projects, but I'm not sure how this 
interaction as a RemoteObject would look in the context of Flex 2.0 .  Do 
you know of a working example of this somewhere?  I'm not sure what I would 
code on the Flex side and I'm not sure what I'd need to do on the server side to 
make it compatible and synchronize. I'm also wondering whether 
everything is available to support developing this demo for as long as it takes 
or if I will at some point have to buy a license for one thing or another to 
continue development.  I also need to know how to explain the production 
operational costs to a potential investor.  Potentially this is an 
application run by large companies on their own servers for many subscribers. 
And from a technical viewpoint, I'm still wondering how to implement 
these arbitrary small shapes (such as states on a map) that need to change to 
one of a number of colors.  I'd probably be able to answer that by myself 
if I were a Flash developer, but my Flash experience is limited to having run 
through the examples of a much earlier version of Flash. I know that's a 
lot of questions.Thanks,Bruce
On 12/27/05, Matt 
Chotin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > 
wrote:
I 
  think you'll find 1.5 a more stable development experience in the 
  nextmonth though of course 2.0 offers a lot of stuff.  For 
  RemoteObject in2.0 for now you do need the 2.0 CF adapter, but as many 
  folks will behappy to point out you could also just expose your Java 
  objects via aWebService using Apache Axis instead (this should be done in 
  the 2.0samples maybe but is definitely in 1.5 for reference).  The 
  Flex 2 alphawill hint at functionality (like RemoteObject) that may not 
  actually befunctional in your configuration.Matt
  -Original 
  Message-From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
 
  flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalf Of JesterXLSent: Tuesday, 
  December 27, 2005 4:39 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] 
  Having hard time understanding what featuresare available to whom when and 
  howI cannot answer all of your questions, but here are my 
  suggestions.- assuming on Windows, download Apache Tomcat- download 
  Flex 1.5 demo- install Flex 1.5 demo with just FlexBuilder 1.5- copy 
  and paste the flex.war & samples.war files into Tomcat's webapps 
  directoryHit the samples page to ensure all is well.  On 
  mine, it's:http://localhost:8080/samples/I've yet to get Flex 2 
  to work with Remoting + AMFPHP.  Considering AMF(the binary 
  format used to send serialized class bits across the wire) is undergoing 
  big changes, OpenAMF (Java) and AMFPHP (PHP) don't reallywork 
  yet.I've heard of some people getting Remoting to work with the 
  CFAdapter,but I don't use CF ( I do at work, but I don't code 
  it).  Some have reported success with the 
  WebService/HTTPService.Me?  I use Flex 1.5 every day and it works 
  great.  At night, I moonli

Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are available to whom when and how

2005-12-28 Thread Bruce Cichowlas




That's very informative.  I'll be trying it soon.I did install Tomcat and Flex 1.5 in the way that you suggested and confirmed that it was running properly with the samples.  I've also looked through some of the 1.5
 examples and found it encouraging.  I have part of my app that I initially built in 2.0 under Eclipse which I need to move back into the 1.5 environment.I'm finding the OpenAMF stuff a bit confusing.  I've been studying 
http://www.darronschall.com/weblog/archives/000186.cfm and hope that it is relevant.  I'm wondering if I have to read up on Flash, but perhaps not.
So what I'm going to attempt next is to Flex to download the initial colors from the server using OpenAMF, add some rudimentary controls to the Flex page to change the colors and another button to write them back to the server.  If I can get that to work today, I will think that Flex 
1.5 will most likely get me through this demo.I'm still wondering whether I will run up against trial deadline limits on the demo products I am using that will get.  I also have to figure out what to tell the potential investors about how much the use of Flex will add to the cost of the production product.
Thanks for your help,BruceOn 12/28/05, JesterXL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:









Dude, that is so easy.  You just:
- import each graphic into Flash
- give it an instance name
- modify the code I posted to do:
 
var c:Color = new Color(targetState);
c.setRGB(0xFF);
 
That'll set it red, and ONLY it.  If you have 
the graphic as a PNG or GIF (transparency intact), it'll color just the shape 
with nice edges.
 
You could do the same in Flex as well, just embed 
the images:
 
[Embed(source="maine.png")]
var main_png:String;
 

 
And set the color the same way:
 
var c:Color = new Color(main_png_img);
c.setRGB(0xFF);
 
Flash, Flex... either one.  Additionally, 
Bline Express created a pretty phat USA Map component with all 50 states.  
Methods already exist in it to set colors, know which state you clicked on, 
etc.  It's written for Flash 6, but you could easily load that into a Flex 
Loader, and use proxy functions to call the Flash 6 methods in the externally 
loaded SWF.
 
Bring it.
 
- Original Message - 
From: 
Bruce 
Cichowlas 
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what 
features are available to whom when and how
Thanks for the prompt reply.I can see how your suggestion 
would work, but in my case I don't think I can use the background color.  
Imagine if the shapes were the six states of New England on a map.  I want 
to be able to control the color of each state to be one of eight colors. 
I can see a few approaches.  One would be to treat the whole map of 
New England as a graphic and then somehow repaint the individual state, perhaps 
on a pixel by pixel basis.  I suppose that could work, but it would be 
tedious. Another way would be to have a graphic object of each state 
with a transparent background and then overlay them appropriately in their 
appropriate positions.  However, the color I would have to then change 
would be the foreground object color and I don't know that there is a simple way 
to do that.  I could, perhaps, supply eight graphics for each state and 
then switch between them using _javascript_ to alter the DHTML.  That might 
be feasible for six states, but if the map included all fifty states, I would 
need at least 50 * 8 graphic objects to use that approach. A third way 
might be to somehow use areamaps and regions, but I don't know if that would 
result in DHTML where I could easily recolor a region.What do you think 
would work?Bruce
On 12/28/05, JesterXL 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

  Can help with #3.
   
  Here's a sample:
   
   xmlns:mx="http://www.macromedia.com/2003/mxml 
  " initialize="initApp()">   id="color_cb"   change="setColor(event)">0x00 
   0x66 0x000066   
   id="colorMe_box"  borderStyle="solid"  width="100" 
  height="100"/>
   
  
   
  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Bruce Cichowlas 
  To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what 
  features are available to whom when and how
  
  I've used Axis on other projects, but I'm not sure how this 
  interaction as a RemoteObject would look in the context of Flex 2.0 .  Do 
  you know of a working example of this somewhere?  I'm not sure what I 
  would code on the Flex side and I'm not sure what I'd need to do on the server 
  side to make it compatible and synchronize. I'm also wondering whether 
  everything is available to support developing this demo for as l

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