[flexcoders] Flex2: pricing info

2005-11-03 Thread Aldo Bucchi
Hola,

Where can I find pricing info??
I have to defend flex against some cheaper ajax frameworks. For this
matter, I believe the serverless deployment model is the feature to
highlight... any serverless flex apps TCO approximations?

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Re: [flexcoders] Flex2: pricing info

2005-11-03 Thread Dave Carabetta
On 11/3/05, Aldo Bucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hola,

 Where can I find pricing info??
 I have to defend flex against some cheaper ajax frameworks. For this
 matter, I believe the serverless deployment model is the feature to
 highlight... any serverless flex apps TCO approximations?


Dude, the product is in an *Alpha* form right now. It's waaay to early
to have final pricing worked out. That being said, this FAQ item might
help ballpark it:

http://www.macromedia.com/software/flex/productinfo/faq/flex2_faq.html#item-2-3

Regards,
Dave.


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Re: [flexcoders] Flex2: pricing info

2005-11-03 Thread Daniel Cascais
Hola,

I've heard it is going to be under $1000.

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Re: [flexcoders] Flex2: pricing info

2005-11-03 Thread Daniel Cascais
That is Flex Builder...

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 Hola,

 I've heard it is going to be under $1000.

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Re: [flexcoders] Flex2: pricing info

2005-11-03 Thread Aldo Bucchi
Thanks Daniel, Dave

Dave, it might be in alpha, but it is still excelent leverage that can
be used today. If a big client goes for an expensive Ajax framework
for all 2006 then good bye to selling flex for a whole year. I don't
want that to happen.



On 11/3/05, Dave Carabetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 11/3/05, Aldo Bucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hola,
 
  Where can I find pricing info??
  I have to defend flex against some cheaper ajax frameworks. For this
  matter, I believe the serverless deployment model is the feature to
  highlight... any serverless flex apps TCO approximations?
 

 Dude, the product is in an *Alpha* form right now. It's waaay to early
 to have final pricing worked out. That being said, this FAQ item might
 help ballpark it:

 http://www.macromedia.com/software/flex/productinfo/faq/flex2_faq.html#item-2-3

 Regards,
 Dave.



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RE: [flexcoders] Flex2: pricing info

2005-11-03 Thread Kelly R
Serverless flex apps only require that the developers have a copy of Flex 
Builder 2.

@  $1000 that is pretty inexpensive.

Couple that with the rapid development and debug time in relation to AJAx 
and you have a winner.

That and you have an application that works relatively predictably.

Flex developers probably charge more per hour then AJAX people but only 
because they can.

You know why they can?


Because Flex is badass and companies are willing to pay through the nose for 
having useful web applications.




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Re: [flexcoders] Flex2: pricing info

2005-11-03 Thread Dave Carabetta
On 11/3/05, Aldo Bucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks Daniel, Dave

 Dave, it might be in alpha, but it is still excelent leverage that can
 be used today. If a big client goes for an expensive Ajax framework
 for all 2006 then good bye to selling flex for a whole year. I don't
 want that to happen.


I certainly understand that, but it's kind of tough to do a price
comparison, in my opinion. Flex is, to an extent, a shrink-wrapped
product with a known price tag. AJAX products aren't the result of
using a product that has a price tag -- the true cost is in the
development/debugging hours. Sure, there are AJAX libraries that
certainly help out, but it's not really the same. Scott Barnes has
some excellent blog entries (www.mossyblog.com, specifically
http://www.mossyblog.com/archives/454.cfm) with some AJAX/DHTML vs.
Flex development anecdotes, which I personally feel are more
indicative of the true cost rather than looking at price tags.

Regards,
Dave.


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Re: [flexcoders] Flex2: pricing info

2005-11-03 Thread Tariq Ahmed






Well if your company wants to get serious about AJAX be prepared to
blow some serious dough. Because you'll of course want to boost the
productivity of your developers by using IDE's, tools, libaries, out of
the box components, etc... 

E.g the TIBCO Ajax Accelerator/General Interface starts at $25K.

http://www.tibco.com/mk/2005/ajax.jsp



Dave Carabetta wrote:

  On 11/3/05, Aldo Bucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
Thanks Daniel, Dave

Dave, it might be in alpha, but it is still excelent leverage that can
be used today. If a big client goes for an expensive Ajax framework
for all 2006 then good bye to selling flex for a whole year. I don't
want that to happen.


  
  
I certainly understand that, but it's kind of tough to do a price
comparison, in my opinion. Flex is, to an extent, a shrink-wrapped
product with a known price tag. AJAX products aren't the result of
using a product that has a price tag -- the true cost is in the
development/debugging hours. Sure, there are AJAX libraries that
certainly help out, but it's not really the same. Scott Barnes has
some excellent blog entries (www.mossyblog.com, specifically
http://www.mossyblog.com/archives/454.cfm) with some AJAX/DHTML vs.
Flex development anecdotes, which I personally feel are more
indicative of the true "cost" rather than looking at price tags.

Regards,
Dave.

  







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Re: [flexcoders] Flex2: pricing info

2005-11-03 Thread Scott Barnes



All that in DHTML :) ... err AJAX... amazing, still say its got a limited future... 

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Well if your company wants to get serious about AJAX be prepared to
blow some serious dough. Because you'll of course want to boost the
productivity of your developers by using IDE's, tools, libaries, out of
the box components, etc... 

E.g the TIBCO Ajax Accelerator/General Interface starts at $25K.

http://www.tibco.com/mk/2005/ajax.jsp



Dave Carabetta wrote:

  On 11/3/05, Aldo Bucchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
  
Thanks Daniel, DaveDave, it might be in alpha, but it is still excelent leverage that canbe used today. If a big client goes for an expensive Ajax frameworkfor all 2006 then good bye to selling flex for a whole year. I don't
want that to happen.
  
  I certainly understand that, but it's kind of tough to do a pricecomparison, in my opinion. Flex is, to an extent, a shrink-wrappedproduct with a known price tag. AJAX products aren't the result of
using a product that has a price tag -- the true cost is in thedevelopment/debugging hours. Sure, there are AJAX libraries thatcertainly help out, but it's not really the same. Scott Barnes hassome excellent blog entries (
www.mossyblog.com, specifically
http://www.mossyblog.com/archives/454.cfm) with some AJAX/DHTML vs.Flex development anecdotes, which I personally feel are moreindicative of the true cost rather than looking at price tags.
Regards,Dave.  







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