Re: [flexcoders] What's up Adobe?
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:42 AM, GeorgeB wrote: > I am a fully occupied Flex v3 developer, and don't have spare time to switch > to Flex v4 before the projects I work on are over and done. It might be a good idea to take on less projects, but for a higher margin. Not having time to study is not a good place to be long-term. > 1. What was the meaning of Adobe changing the name from Flex Builder (v3) to > Flash Builder, while keeping the upgrade path from v3 to v4? A better distinction between the free and commercial offerings. All commercial IDE offerings are branded Flash something, all the free open source stuff is branded Flex something. > 2. I used to call myself a Flex developer, i.e MXML plus AS3 programmer. > Should I have to call myself a Flash developer from now on? Why would you? You wrote in another message you work with Hibernate and BlazeDS. In those cases you identify yourself with the application / framework you work with. Why would you in the case of Flash/Flex identify yourself with the IDE? You are not calling yourself Eclipse or JBuilder developer just because that is the IDE you use for your Java development either. > 6. Also what's the future of BlazeDS after recent marketing developments on > LCESDS (or is it LCDSES?)? BlazeDS is the free, unsupported, open-source offering for fast communication with Java backends. It will continue to be so for the foreseeable future. Adobe will continue to develop it. Adobe will not support it nor market it because it is not a source of revenue. LCDS will be supported and marketed because it is a source of revenue. Jochem -- Jochem van Dieten http://jochem.vandieten.net/
Re: [flexcoders] What's up Adobe?
1.) Keeping all their items more focused on the 'Flash Platform'. 2.) Call yourself a 'Flash Developer specializing in the Flex Framework'. Flex is not a language, its a Framework. It runs your application on a 2 frame time line. Frame 1 is the application loader, Frame 2 is your application. MXML gets compiled into ActionScript. All tags are easy representations of true AS classes. It is created for speed. Kinda like how ColdFusion is compiled into Java. You can create full working Flex apps without any MXML. I guess if you are worried about being confused with an animator call yourself a 'ActionScript Developer specializing in the Flex Framework' 5.) Doubt it too. They seem just to be aligning all the products related to Flash with Flash (Flash Builder, Flash Professional, Flash Catalyst) 6.) Blaze will probably remain around as a lesser version of LCDS. You lose some really cool features, but don't pay the monster price tag. I think Adobe knows that some of the success of Flash/Flex is that streaming data interaction and to only offer a pay version (LCDS) would stunt the growth of the community. Not all independant developer, web hosts, or small-mid companies can afford the full LCDS price tag. On 2/2/2010 4:42 AM, GeorgeB wrote: Hi all, I am a fully occupied Flex v3 developer, and don't have spare time to switch to Flex v4 before the projects I work on are over and done. While on the side subject that Gordon Smith (post 152124) raised, may I ask for reasonable answers? (since what I read worry me a lot about the future of my projects support from Adobe): 1. What was the meaning of Adobe changing the name from Flex Builder (v3) to Flash Builder, while keeping the upgrade path from v3 to v4? 2. I used to call myself a Flex developer, i.e MXML plus AS3 programmer. Should I have to call myself a Flash developer from now on? 3. I understand there were Flash developers around since the very begining. They have expertise among other things in timeline effects and sequential animation programming using tools like Creative Suite (Photoshop etc) way out of my discipline of database RIAs. Do I have to describe myself as a creative animator now? 4. If this is v4 of something, shouldn't that be an update of it's previous version 3? (In this case does Flex = Flash?) 5. Is Adobe running out of trade names? (or running out of what?) 6. Also what's the future of BlazeDS after recent marketing developments on LCESDS (or is it LCDSES?)? BTW I used to think of Adobe as a technology company. Am I mistaken? Thanks all George
Re: [flexcoders] What's up Adobe?
On Tuesday 02 Feb 2010, Nick Collins wrote: > And Tom, re: "Well, Flash is a subset of Flex...", I would say it's the > other way around, since as I know that you're aware, Flex is simply a > framework written on top of the Flash platform ( AS3 ). Swings and round abouts. I put it the way around I did because Flex provides a set of nice abstractions and pre-built components on top of Flex. -- Helping to continuously cultivate distributed experiences as part of the IT team of the year 2010, '09 and '08 This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office together with a list of those non members who are referred to as partners. We use the word ?partner? to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com.
Re: [flexcoders] What's up Adobe?
You're a Flex developer if you are using the Flex SDK, regardless of what your tooling is called. What if you were using FlashDevelop to code in, or FDT, or IntelliJ IDEA? Still a Flex developer. And Tom, re: "Well, Flash is a subset of Flex...", I would say it's the other way around, since as I know that you're aware, Flex is simply a framework written on top of the Flash platform ( AS3 ). On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:51 AM, Tom Chiverton wrote: > > > On Tuesday 02 Feb 2010, GeorgeB wrote: > > 1. What was the meaning of Adobe changing the name from Flex Builder (v3) > > to Flash Builder, while keeping the upgrade path from v3 to v4? > > Marketing bollocks about 'the Flash platform'. > > > > 2. I used > > to call myself a Flex developer, i.e MXML plus AS3 programmer. Should I > > have to call myself a Flash developer from now on? > > Call yourself whatever is true and looks right on the CV . > If you don't know Flash Professional as an IDE though, I would be wary of > calling yourself a 'Flash developer' because it gives people the wrong > idea. > > > > 3. Do I have to describe myself as a creative animator now? > > You can do. > I'm sure you're using all sorts of cute effects and filters to give your > Flex > application users a good experience. > > > > 4. > > If this is v4 of something, shouldn't that be an update of it's previous > > version 3? > > There have been several point releases to Flex 3. It's now up to 3.5 I > think. > The IDE has been updated now and again too. > > > > (In this case does Flex = Flash?) > > Well, Flash is a subset of Flex... > > > > 5. Is Adobe running out of > > trade names? (or running out of what?) > > > I doubt it. > > > > 6. Also what's the future of BlazeDS after recent marketing developments > on > > LCESDS (or is it LCDSES?)? > > BlazeDS does some of what LCDS does, and is FOSS. I don't think that has > changed has it ? > > > > BTW I used to think of Adobe as a technology company. Am I mistaken? > > I don't see them stopping doing new tech., do you ? > > -- > Helping to centrally consolidate channels as part of the IT team of the > year > 2010, '09 and '08 > > > > This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. > > Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and > Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at > Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list > of members is available for inspection at the registered office together > with a list of those non members who are referred to as partners. We use the > word ?partner? to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant > with equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors > Regulation Authority. > > CONFIDENTIALITY > > This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and > may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you > must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it > nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its > existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please > delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. > > For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.Halliwells.com. > > >
Re: [flexcoders] What's up Adobe?
On Tuesday 02 Feb 2010, GeorgeB wrote: > 1. What was the meaning of Adobe changing the name from Flex Builder (v3) > to Flash Builder, while keeping the upgrade path from v3 to v4? Marketing bollocks about 'the Flash platform'. > 2. I used > to call myself a Flex developer, i.e MXML plus AS3 programmer. Should I > have to call myself a Flash developer from now on? Call yourself whatever is true and looks right on the CV . If you don't know Flash Professional as an IDE though, I would be wary of calling yourself a 'Flash developer' because it gives people the wrong idea. > 3. Do I have to describe myself as a creative animator now? You can do. I'm sure you're using all sorts of cute effects and filters to give your Flex application users a good experience. > 4. > If this is v4 of something, shouldn't that be an update of it's previous > version 3? There have been several point releases to Flex 3. It's now up to 3.5 I think. The IDE has been updated now and again too. > (In this case does Flex = Flash?) Well, Flash is a subset of Flex... > 5. Is Adobe running out of > trade names? (or running out of what?) I doubt it. > 6. Also what's the future of BlazeDS after recent marketing developments on > LCESDS (or is it LCDSES?)? BlazeDS does some of what LCDS does, and is FOSS. I don't think that has changed has it ? > BTW I used to think of Adobe as a technology company. Am I mistaken? I don't see them stopping doing new tech., do you ? -- Helping to centrally consolidate channels as part of the IT team of the year 2010, '09 and '08 This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at Halliwells LLP, 3 Hardman Square, Spinningfields, Manchester, M3 3EB. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office together with a list of those non members who are referred to as partners. We use the word ?partner? to refer to a member of the LLP, or an employee or consultant with equivalent standing and qualifications. Regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 2500. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com.
[flexcoders] What's up Adobe?
Hi all, I am a fully occupied Flex v3 developer, and don't have spare time to switch to Flex v4 before the projects I work on are over and done. While on the side subject that Gordon Smith (post 152124) raised, may I ask for reasonable answers? (since what I read worry me a lot about the future of my projects support from Adobe): 1. What was the meaning of Adobe changing the name from Flex Builder (v3) to Flash Builder, while keeping the upgrade path from v3 to v4? 2. I used to call myself a Flex developer, i.e MXML plus AS3 programmer. Should I have to call myself a Flash developer from now on? 3. I understand there were Flash developers around since the very begining. They have expertise among other things in timeline effects and sequential animation programming using tools like Creative Suite (Photoshop etc) way out of my discipline of database RIAs. Do I have to describe myself as a creative animator now? 4. If this is v4 of something, shouldn't that be an update of it's previous version 3? (In this case does Flex = Flash?) 5. Is Adobe running out of trade names? (or running out of what?) 6. Also what's the future of BlazeDS after recent marketing developments on LCESDS (or is it LCDSES?)? BTW I used to think of Adobe as a technology company. Am I mistaken? Thanks all George
