[Flexradio] Teamspeak Audio - 3-18-06

[Eric Ellison]

Folks

 

Active forum as usual:

 

Eric - AA4SW reports on progress with Dayton Hamvention Forum most speakers
lined up still awaiting information on a last invitee card now includes:

 

Lyle Johnson KK7P"High Performance SDR -
FPGA Project" (Offshoot of FlexRadio group with a
series of boards on a buss)

Harold Johnson  W4ZCB "Real Radio's Have Knobs ...
One at Least"(Pic-a-Star, RatCom PIC SDR Project.)

Tony ParksKB9YIG"SoftRock40 SDR Past,
Present and Future"(Picked up by AMQrp and kits now in
EU)

Mel Whitten   K0PFX  "Flex Radio Systems
SDR-1000 - DRM reception"(Evidence of the POWER of SDR!)

 

Quite a line-up so far!

 

John - W5GI from Flex joins wants comments.

Released Preview 18 - Close to 1.6 release. Challenge was to control power a
bit better. Improved Compander and Compressor.

Would like off line conversastions evaluating "Out of Box Experience"
SDR-1000 from new users to improve the ease of set up.

Program modeled after 10-10 club to promote SDR-1000 awards for folks
working 5 or 10 or more Flexers. Needs volunteer for tracking awards.
Possible Flexers QSO party.

Expert set up guide posted to SDR-1000 Yahoo Site. Will be moved to Flex
Radio site soon. QBase LE interface from Firebox.

 Dayton will have 2 FlexRadio tables, looking for user volunteers to spend
some time at the booth and would like to schedule a bit.

Hospitality Suite at Crown Plaza - 7 PM  More of a social event,
presentation, Flexi Awards 2006 demonstration set up.

We have asked for a room for entire room at Hara for SDR sessions/meetings
with topics. If it occurs we will solicit folks wishing to use the room .

 

Bob - K5KDN 

Working on next version of the CAT code. Enjoying SDR-100

 

Brian - VK1BF

Interested in others joining from VK Land! Summer winding down. Preview 81
working well there.

 

Dale - WA8SRA

Working on BugTracker.

 

Dan - N4XWE

Second Linux SDR Teamspeak forum on Thursday night.

Good participation. Some new members and working on a toutorial. Audio has
been posted on fourm hamsdr website.

Hopefully have a live distro for Dayton.

Folks working on the ubuntu distro version.

 

Ken - N9VV

Offering a 746 pro trade for a SDR-1000. (I think he has succeded)

 

Larry - K2LT

Busy makin' a buck but back and straightening out his shack and SDR-1000.

 

Phil - VK6APH

Working on a variant of Tony's softrock40 optimized for 10 meters as a 10
meter IF.

36 degrees C in Perth and having a late summer.

 

Tony - KB9YIG

Launced Version 6 of SoftRock 40 has sold 400 in first 4 days and has
ordered 1000 boards. Working on the 10 meter down converter with Phil and
Bill!

 

Bill - KD5TFD

Still working on the Bake off on the Sound Chips for Janus board. Working on
the 10 meter downconverter SoftRock40.

Working on code to do 96 bandwitdh and DRM with SR40.

 

Many minutes of post forum audion on Linux, Softrock40 with Tony, Gerald
joins late and gives even more happenings from FlexRadio plans, and comments
on preview 18!

 

Forum Audio:

http://www.flex-radio.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=8824#8824

 

Have a nice week

 

C U on Teamspeak!

 

Thanks

Eric2 - AA4SW

 

 

 

 

Re: [Flexradio] How to wire this up?

[John Ackermann N8UR]

Jim Lux said the following on 03/19/2006 03:01 PM:
> At 11:34 AM 3/19/2006, Neal Campbell wrote:
> 
>>Hi guys
>>
>>
>>
>>I just bought a Bliley NV26R891 voltage controlled  ovenized  100 Mhz
>>crystal oscillator. Should it be possible to use it for external frequency
>>standard for the SDR-1000? Any ideas on how to wire it up?
> 
> 
> Check out the external frequency reference ECO on the Flex 
> website.  Basically, you pull the existing 200 MHz oscillator out and feed 
> your 100 MHz signal in.  You need to tell PowerSDR that you're doing this, 
> so it can turn on the internal frequency multiplier, et.c

There's a gotcha -- the DDS chip has a multiplier range of 4 to 20, so
in theory 100MHz doesn't work.  You can use either 50MHz, or 200MHz.
However, I had some success when I tried using a 100MHz source some time
ago before I knew of the multiplier limitation.  i.e., I got a signal
out but I don't know what negative characteristics it might have had.

John

Re: [Flexradio] Recever goes dead

[Craig Monsen]

John,

I wonder if your problem is the same as was described in the Forum:

http://flex-radio.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1069&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=jumper+tony&start=0

Ironically, I have developed the same problem after having had no problems
with receiver dropout for several years.

I am in the process of jumpering the regulated voltage lines between DVDD,
AVDD, DGND and
AGND.

The nice picture link on the forum no longer works.

73
Craig
KC2LFI

- Original Message - 
From: "John L Merrill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'FlexRadio Systems email reflector'" 
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 6:40 AM
Subject: [Flexradio] Recever goes dead


> Occassionally the receiver in my SDR1000 goes dead just sitting there. I
> would say this happens about once a week on the average. I've had the
radio
> on since Friday evening and sometime between 11pm last night and now,
6:15a,
> the receiver went dead. Turning the radio to standby and on again bings it
> back to life. This has happened with this radio with previews 14-18. It
> doesn't appear to happen in the other SDR1000. Anyone else have this
> problem? Maybe I should report it as a bug?
>
> Another problem I have might be a conflict with Microsoft Money. It seems
> when I run both programs at the same time I get a .NET error and PowerSDR
> shuts down. The next time it happens I'll try to capture the error.
>
> 73,
> John N1JM
>
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Re: [Flexradio] How to wire this up?

[Sami Aintila]

On 3/19/06, Jim Lux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 11:34 AM 3/19/2006, Neal Campbell wrote:
> >I just bought a Bliley NV26R891 voltage controlled  ovenized  100 Mhz
> >crystal oscillator. Should it be possible to use it for external frequency
> >standard for the SDR-1000? Any ideas on how to wire it up?
>
> Check out the external frequency reference ECO on the Flex
> website.  Basically, you pull the existing 200 MHz oscillator out and feed
> your 100 MHz signal in.  You need to tell PowerSDR that you're doing this,
> so it can turn on the internal frequency multiplier, et.c
>

The problem is that a 2X multiplier will probably not work. From the
AD9854 data sheet: "The PLL multiplier valid range is from 4 to 20,
inclusive."

Of course using a 100 MHz REFCLK without the multiplier might be
possible (unless you want to operate 50 MHz). But I think the 200 MHz
value for REFCLK is currently hard coded in the PowerSDR source, so
that will have to be modified.

73, Sami OH2BFO

Re: [Flexradio] How to wire this up?

[Ignacio Cembreros]

Hello

I just ordered the same oscillator.  When it arrives, I will take 
advantage of your findings.


73 de Ignacio, EB4APL


Neal Campbell wrote:


Hi guys



I just bought a Bliley NV26R891 voltage controlled  ovenized  100 Mhz
crystal oscillator. Should it be possible to use it for external frequency
standard for the SDR-1000? Any ideas on how to wire it up? It uses a 5v
circuit for frequency adjustment, how is the best way to adjust it and how
sensitive is the adjustment?



It was not very expensive so if its beyond my reach its not that big a deal,
just thought it might be an opportunity!



Thanks!

Neal – k3nc
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Re: [Flexradio] How to wire this up?

[Jim Lux]

At 11:34 AM 3/19/2006, Neal Campbell wrote:

Hi guys



I just bought a Bliley NV26R891 voltage controlled  ovenized  100 Mhz
crystal oscillator. Should it be possible to use it for external frequency
standard for the SDR-1000? Any ideas on how to wire it up?


Check out the external frequency reference ECO on the Flex 
website.  Basically, you pull the existing 200 MHz oscillator out and feed 
your 100 MHz signal in.  You need to tell PowerSDR that you're doing this, 
so it can turn on the internal frequency multiplier, et.c





 It uses a 5v
circuit for frequency adjustment, how is the best way to adjust it and how
sensitive is the adjustment?


Depends on the oscillator.  Most ovenized oscillators have both a 
mechanical trim and an electronic adjustment.  You might want to just leave 
the electronic adjust open, and trim it mechanically by beating against 
some reference (i.e. set the SDR1000 up to receive, e.g. WWV, then adjust 
the oscillator so that it's right on).


I use Wenzel oscillators, and for the ones I use, the mechanical adjustment 
range is +/- 1ppm.  The electrical range is +/-0.2ppm for -/+ 5V: it has a 
negative slope.. that is, if you put +5V in, the frequency is pulled about 
0.2 ppm lower.


The reason not to use the electrical tuning for day to day use is that it's 
a path for noise into the innermost guts of the oscillator.  You could hook 
up a 10turn trim pot with suitable capacitors for filtering, but why do 
that when you could take a screwdriver to the oscillator's mechanical 
adjust just as easily.


The EFC is used in applications where you want to discipline the oscillator 
to an external source (i.e. GPS or an external frequency standard)  For 
instance, if you have a Rb or Cs source, they are kind of noisy (although 
very accurate), so you steer the XO to match the average output of the 
atomic source.  You also monitor the steering voltage, and if it starts to 
get close to the limits, you tell the user to go in and give the mechanical 
adjust a tweak to bring it back to the middle.


I have also wired up one of these oscillators with a 10 turn pot and a 
suitable dial in a lab situation where I wanted to be able to bump the 
oscillator around in frequency to "hand match" to another source (more 
accurately, to be a human phase locked loop).






It was not very expensive so if its beyond my reach its not that big a deal,
just thought it might be an opportunity!



Jim 

[Flexradio] How to wire this up?

[Neal Campbell]

Hi guys



I just bought a Bliley NV26R891 voltage controlled  ovenized  100 Mhz
crystal oscillator. Should it be possible to use it for external frequency
standard for the SDR-1000? Any ideas on how to wire it up? It uses a 5v
circuit for frequency adjustment, how is the best way to adjust it and how
sensitive is the adjustment?



It was not very expensive so if its beyond my reach its not that big a deal,
just thought it might be an opportunity!



Thanks!

Neal – k3nc

[Flexradio] GPS Controlled Oscillator

[Dave & Nancy Ridge]

Ross, ZL1WN, do you have any info on GPS controlled oscillator for the SDR that 
you can share. (Like schematic and parts list)

Thanks, Dave, W9DR
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Re: [Flexradio] ICOM Radio's - IC-7000

[Simon Brown \(HB9DRV\)]

Today I was thinking that the IC-7000 needs Flex Radio's SDR knowledge, 
especially the front end. IC-7000 = nice idea, nice packaging, rotten RadCom 
review, really rotten.


So I have just bought the TS-480SAT instead of the IC-7000 for portable / 
mobile (also the Kenwood uses less current and is a lot cheaper).


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- Original Message - 
From: "Lyman H. Wolfla II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>





I just received the IC-7000 to use as a portable rig and in the mobile.
While I am not ready to trade it for a SDR-1000 I can say quickly the
SDR-1000 is light years ahead in the quality of the receiver.  The DSP
filters of the ICOM do a good job, but have a ring quality and the 
receiver

is no where as clear as the SDR-1000.  In time I see the SDR system
available in a smaller package that will work in a mobile or portable
setting. 

Re: [Flexradio] ICOM Radio's - IC-7000

[Lyman H. Wolfla II]

I just received the IC-7000 to use as a portable rig and in the mobile.
While I am not ready to trade it for a SDR-1000 I can say quickly the
SDR-1000 is light years ahead in the quality of the receiver.  The DSP
filters of the ICOM do a good job, but have a ring quality and the receiver
is no where as clear as the SDR-1000.  In time I see the SDR system
available in a smaller package that will work in a mobile or portable
setting.

73,

Hank
K9LZJ
Hank Wolfla
Lyman H. Wolfla II, Inc.
1308 S. Peace St.
Greenfield, IN 46140
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
317-861-0186
Cell: 317-448-3457

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Re: [Flexradio] Pegasus to FlexRadio?

[Duane - N9DG]

I have both. The SDR-1000 has not yet replaced the Pegasus
for what I mainly do here. They are actually very different
radios. I currently use a small fleet of 6 Pegasus radios in
a multi-band V-UHF contest/DX station. The PowerSDR software
isn't yet to the point that I can do the same things control
wise that I can already do with the Pegasus heard and 4
simultaneous sessions of N4PY software. With the new PowerSDR
architecture coming I hope that I can then start implementing
what I'm now doing with the Pegs by using multiple SDR-1000's
or perhaps a transverter IF specialized derivative model. In
reality the SDR-1000/PowerSDR holds the potential for far
exceeding what I'm doing with the Pegs. So needless to say I
do see the SDR-1000 as the future.

For some comments about some direct comparisons (mostly
subjective) see this posting I made to the Ten Tec group last
summer:

http://lists.contesting.com/archives//html/TenTec/2005-06/msg00266.html

Much of it is still applicable. My comment about the low band
overload I have not seen since applying ECO 20 & 25.

Duane
N9DG

--- Craig Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Has anyone "transitioned" from a Ten Tec Pegasus to a
> FlexRadio?  If so, 
> what are your comparative impressions, please?
> 
> Thanks and 73,
> 
> Craig
> W3CRR


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Re: [Flexradio] want to trade 746pro for SDR-1000

[w2agn]

Willi Reppel wrote:

John,

I admit the"misguided attempt of humor". I can resist everything thing 
except  temptation to reply to humor in posts which I think is implied 
when someone tries to trade in a conventional rig  for a SDR1000 on 
this reflector.  Also, the reflector  may progressively turn into a 
type of e-bay. Before it gets improper to post adds, I want to swap a 
58 year old Hallicrafter Modell S-40A for a SDR1k.

Anyhow, ham radio is not that serious that you cant make fun of it.

Willi


Well, here you had a gentleman that wanted an SDR-1000. He hoped to 
trade what is considered by many, an excellent HF rig for it. After your 
arrogant responses, I would imagine he has had second thoughts about 
joining the "SDR Community." If I had not already made the investement, 
I certainly would have decided I didn't particularly like the neighborhood.


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Re: [Flexradio] Pegasus to FlexRadio?

[Charles Greene]

Craig,

How about a Ten Tec Jupiter?  Same radio but the Jupiter has a front 
panel.  I have the use of a  Jupiter which belongs to our radio club, 
as I am the current custodian of it, and I own a SDR-1000 with 100 
watt amplifier and antenna tuner.  I use the Pegasus software from 
Ten Tec and from N4PY in my computer to control the Jupiter.  Big 
difference from the SDR-1000.  For the SDR-1000, it uses a different 
concept than the Jupiter/Pegasus and of all other transceivers on the 
market now, including the software controlled transceivers.  The 
hardware is essentially broad band, and with the built antenna tuner 
tunes the entire band down to the IF where it is narrow band.  The 
Jupiter, after the RF amplifier which receives the entire band, tunes 
a narrow band, the width of which is the width of the roofing filter, 
which I believe is 15 KHz on the Jupiter. That means that the 
SDR-1000 can be overloaded by a very strong signal within the entire 
band, and the Jupiter with a very strong signal within the roofing 
filter.  I have both radios, and at a suburban with the only super DX 
hunter ham station about 5 miles away, have not seen this happen on 
either, but the potential is there.  Most modern transceivers have 
two or three IF stages which have some advantages but introduce 
birdies and IMD.  The SDR-1000 has a single IF; only the K2 and some 
simple QRP transceivers have a single IF.  The SDR-1000 can do 
practically anything the things the transceivers with two or three IF 
can do.  The only exception I can think of is the tuneable notch 
filter.  Neither the K2 or the SDR-1000 can do that.  I think it 
could be implemented in either; in the SDR-1000 in software, while 
the K2 would have to have some hardware mods.  (I have 2 K2s).   The 
Jupiter comes with downloadable code to change its internal computer, 
which is rarely changed.  Like all other transceivers, the internal 
computers inside the Jupiter do all the signal processing.  The 
external computer just does the display and radio control 
processing.  In other words, the external software for the Jupiter is 
a software front panel, when the Jupiter is operated in the Pegasus 
mode.  So the only thing you can change without changing the internal 
program are the display and external processing.  N4PY releases about 
4 updates of the external program a year.  Ten-Tec recently released 
an update on the internal code on the Jupiter, and it's the first 
update I have seen in the 18 months we have had the Jupiter.  The 
SDR-1000 hardware box on the other hand, just does the DDS (VFO), RF 
stages, mixer, audio interface and interface to the computer and 
other external devices.  All the signal processing is done in the 
external computer.  It has been updated frequently; currently on an 
average of every two weeks.  The radio has a lot of advanced features 
in signal processing, display, and interface functions that no other 
radio on the market now has.  The software comes in two versions, one 
is a thoroughly tested version with features that were locked in at 
the time of release.  The other beta version has new features that 
are released to the community for test and trial.  So you have the 
advantage of a entire community of ham operators and receiver 
designers testing the code for bugs and operability.  The bugs are 
worked out in the beta version and new features are changed to 
improve operability.  Not so on the Jupiter.  The internal code is 
locked in at the time of release, and new features are rarely if ever 
released; mostly the new versions of the internal code are bug fixes 
or to improve the operation of advertised features.  So the bottom 
line is that the SDR-1000 has features rivaling and some exceeding 
the newest top-of-the line transceivers on the market, and the 
Jupiter having features consistent with a mid-priced transceiver at 
the time of original release.  The cost of a SDR-1000 is about the 
same as a new Jupiter.


The operation of the Jupiter with external software or the front 
panel is about the same as other mid-level transceivers of the same 
price class.  It has variable DSP receive filters that can be 
narrowed from very narrow to very wide.  It's transmit filters are 
fixed at an average quality transmitted signal.  It has the 
traditional Ten-Tec QSK keying.  The SDR-1000 only has semi-break in 
keying.  Having used both, to do not find the semi-break in keying to 
be a large disadvantage.  You can listen between words at my CW 
speed.  The front panel in the Jupiter has a multipurpose knob that 
takes awhile getting used to, and many of the features of the rig are 
menu driven.  For me, that means I have to refer to the instruction 
manual to change dozens of functions on the radio.  This is not true 
of the Pegasus, or the Jupiter using the supplied software from 
Ten-Tec or from N4PY.  The SDR-1000 has control of transmitted audio 
as well as receved audio, using excellent DSP narrow band 

[Flexradio] Recever goes dead

[John L Merrill]

Occassionally the receiver in my SDR1000 goes dead just sitting there. I
would say this happens about once a week on the average. I've had the radio
on since Friday evening and sometime between 11pm last night and now, 6:15a,
the receiver went dead. Turning the radio to standby and on again bings it
back to life. This has happened with this radio with previews 14-18. It
doesn't appear to happen in the other SDR1000. Anyone else have this
problem? Maybe I should report it as a bug?

Another problem I have might be a conflict with Microsoft Money. It seems
when I run both programs at the same time I get a .NET error and PowerSDR
shuts down. The next time it happens I'll try to capture the error.

73,
John N1JM

Re: [Flexradio] want to trade 746pro for SDR-1000

[Willi Reppel]

John,

I admit the"misguided attempt of humor". I can resist everything thing 
except  temptation to reply to humor in posts which I think is implied when 
someone tries to trade in a conventional rig  for a SDR1000 on this 
reflector.  Also, the reflector  may progressively turn into a type of 
e-bay. Before it gets improper to post adds, I want to swap a 58 year old 
Hallicrafter Modell S-40A for a SDR1k.

Anyhow, ham radio is not that serious that you can´t make fun of it.

Willi

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From: "w2agn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Willi Reppel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Ken N9VV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "FlexRadio Systems email reflector" 


Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] want to trade 746pro for SDR-1000



Willi Reppel wrote:

Ken,

The reflector is no  recycling plant for obsolete elec-tronic appliances. 
Anyhow, who wants to trade in a bleeding edge for a leading edge of 
technology.


73 es gl
Willi

I am hoping the above is a misguided attempt at humor (at which it fails), 
rather than some kind of "I'm better than you because I have an SDR." As 
is obvious, the rig does not make tha man.


I noted the same kind of elitism on the Ten-tec reflector. Any criticism 
of anything Ten-Tec was met with hostility. I really hope the SDR folks 
are not geting that way.


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[Flexradio] Odd CW behavior

[Lee A Crocker]

I switched back to version 16 and the problem has not
recurred. 

W9OY

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Re: [Flexradio] Pegasus to FlexRadio?

[Frank Brickle]

Craig Roberts wrote:
Has anyone "transitioned" from a Ten Tec Pegasus to a FlexRadio?  If so, 
what are your comparative impressions, please?


Or, for that matter, from the combination of Ham Radio DeLuxe and a more 
convetional, high-end modern transceiver?


73
Frank
AB2KT

[Flexradio] Pegasus to FlexRadio?

[Craig Roberts]

Has anyone "transitioned" from a Ten Tec Pegasus to a FlexRadio?  If so, 
what are your comparative impressions, please?


Thanks and 73,

Craig
W3CRR

Re: [Flexradio] SVN tags was Re: Preview 18 is Released

[Christopher T. Day]

Bob,

Any apologies should be mine. I meant no criticism; just observing that
there are many ways to do things and trying to help out Jim. Sorry.


Chris - AE6VK



... I make no apologies.  This was rolled out before we were ready to
answer 
the demands of all.   We are fully cognizant of its non standard layout 
and you may expect it to be fixed.

Bob


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