Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-20 Thread Matthew Robinson
Ed,

Just a small correction:  Apple computers do not 'run well disguised versions 
of Linux'.  Mac OS X (and iOS on the iPhone/iPad) are based on BSD.  BSD is  
another Unix variant.  

Porting non-graphical software between Linux, BSD and OS X is usually quite 
easy.  Porting graphical applications is a much harder proposition unless some 
cross-platform GUI toolkit is used.  However, such toolkits usually make 
compromises on the consistency of the interface on the different platforms, 
e.g. the application running on a Mac looks out of place with other Mac 
applications.

Hope this helps,

Matt
VK6MR

On 20/05/2012, at 11:17 AM, Ed Haskell wrote:

 Greg,
 
 It appears that SmartSDR is not a Windows app. It runs in the 6000 not on
 the PC.
 
 There will be a user interface app (SmartSDR-win) that runs on the PC. That
 app will communicate with the 6000 running SmartSDR over an IP/TCP
 (Ethernet) network, initially on a LAN but eventually over the Internet.
 
 Any computer which supports the Ethernet could have an app that performs
 the same function as SmartSDR-win.  Obvious candidates are Apple computers
 which run well disguised versions of Linux, and one or more open versions
 of Linux. It is possible, perhaps eve likely that some of these
 environments will be supported directly by Flex Radio. It is virtually
 certain that others will write these user interface apps on nonWindows
 environments.
 
 Ed W1PN
 
 On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 11:02 PM, Greg a...@cablespeed.com wrote:
 
 If at some point I change my computers to Mac or Linux will there be a
 version of smartsdr to work with or will it only be a windows app?
 
 Greg
 On May 19, 2012 1:34 PM, Tim Ellison t.m.ellison...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 See my comments below
 
 Tim Ellison
 
 On 5/19/2012 4:26 PM, Bill Tracey wrote:
 
 Some follow up questions 
 
 At 02:52 PM 5/19/2012, Tim Ellison, W4TME wrote:
 
 3.   Did I read that the audio is kept in the radio on the first
 release?
 
 Yes
 
 So the demodulation is done in the radio, not in SmartSDR?  If this is
 the case, things like filters, notches and noise blankers are also
 done in
 the radio not in the application?
 
 SmartSDR runs in the radio.  The light weight GUI client is called
 SmartSDR-Win and it is a separate piece of software.
 
 
 So demodulation is on the radio, not the PC?
 
 Yes
 
 
 What language is SmartSDR-Win implemented .. C# or something that's more
 amenable to non Windows platforms?
 
 C# / VS2010 for the Windows client.  Other clients will probably use what
 is best for that particular OS.
 
 
 What data goes to the PC ... power data for panadapter displays, or full
 bandwidth (~300khz?)  IQ samples (at what bit depth) from the slices?
 
 Depends on the process.  Some of it is still being worked out to optimize
 bandwidth requirements depending on local (fast links) or remote (slow
 links) connectivity.
 
 
 Is there an OS running on the ARM processor in the radio?
 
 Yes.  A Linux kernel.
 
 
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[Flexradio] flex6700 inside pic ??

2012-05-20 Thread paim
 is any one have pic of the inside of the 6700 ???
vy 73 
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Re: [Flexradio] Frequency coverage of 6000 rxvr?

2012-05-20 Thread Stephen Hicks, N5AC
30kHz... 0.03MHz. Thanks for catching this.

Steve

On Sunday, May 20, 2012, Jerry Flanders wrote:

 The 6000 brochure states freq coverage of rxvr as 0.03 MHz to 77 MHz  on
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Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-20 Thread Eric Wachsmann
On Saturday, May 19, 2012, Peter G. Viscarola wrote:

 Thank you, Tim.

 Snip...

 Not to be a pain, but just for your info:  There appears to be a bit of an
 anomaly in the Transceiver DSP Performance Comparison graphic in the 6000
 Series brochure.  For the 6700 the graphic says Texas Instruments
 TMS320C6A8167 + XC6VLX130T -- Do you *really* use a TMS320C6A8167 (which
 is the C6-Integra, a deprecated part) or the TMS320DM8167 DaVinici which
 replaces it (and which is referred to elsewhere).   Again, I'm not trying
 to nit-pick, I'm enthusiastic about the design and I'm trying to understand
 it as fully as possible.


We are using the DaVinci part on all models.  Faster clock speed for the
6700.


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Re: [Flexradio] flex6700 inside pic ??

2012-05-20 Thread Tim Ellison
We have not published a picture of the insides of the FLEX-6000s.  
Although I suspect someone from Dayton that took pictures of it will.


Tim Ellison

On 5/20/2012 3:23 AM, paim wrote:

  is any one have pic of the inside of the 6700 ???
vy 73
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[Flexradio] 6000 series

2012-05-20 Thread Tony Estep
It looks like there is a wealth of great ideas in this new design.

First and foremost, the computer is inside the radio box where it belongs.
This has come up repeatedly on the reflector and is really the key to
finding the way forward. The server/client architecture offers a world of
interesting possibilities, and the outboard computer has nothing to do but
put a picture on the screen.

The ARM chip is giving its full attention to the radio, so it is plenty
powerful for the task.

Since the display/control program has been greatly simplified, the focus is
off that program. Over time, Flex will be relieved of the endless drain on
company resources that PSDR has represented. Moreover, the simplicity of
the interface program may mean that versions for Linux and/or Mac may be
more likely to appear some day.

CW latency and QSK are specifically addressed in the promotional material
and these issues will be laid to rest forever.

Since the radio will be a network device, interfacing other software and/or
hardware to it will not require any hacks to the source code. Remote
operation will be no harder than local operation. There are line in and
line out connectors, and physical USB ports. Virtual ports and cables may
be possible, but they won't be necessary. Firewire is out of the picture.

It will be fascinating to see the evolution of this design and its progress
in the marketplace. Congratulations to Flex! Let's hope that the 6000
series fulfills all its many promises.

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[Flexradio] 6000 in Dayton

2012-05-20 Thread TOM BLACKWELL (nt)

I wasn't at the Dayton Hamvention this time, but imagine if I show up at
the Flex office in Austin next week someone will be able to show me the 6000

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[Flexradio] Streaming video and chat from Dayton now on line

2012-05-20 Thread Tim Ellison, W4TME

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Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-20 Thread N7BCP
Regarding the question about language used to develop the win client, there is 
a well supported .Net runtime for Linux (FreeBSD  OSX too I think) called Mono 
so some modules written in C# could run on multiple platforms. Although there 
are several languages that target .Net, the tools support for C# is the best.  
Don't know if there is a Mono equivalent for WPF.

-Larry

 What language is SmartSDR-Win implemented .. C# or something that's more 
 amenable to non Windows platforms?
C# / VS2010 for the Windows client.  Other clients will probably use what is 
best for that particular OS.

-Larry

On 20.05.2012, at 05:56, Greg a...@cablespeed.com wrote:

 Thanks all.  Sometimes I think about changing my shack computer to a Mac
 mini. :-)
 On May 19, 2012 8:13 PM, Tim Ellison t.m.ellison...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The client / radio architecture allows for  different light weight clients
 running under different operating systems. At this point we have only
 committed to SmartSDR-Win.
 
 -Tim
 ---
 Sent from my mobile phone
 
 On May 19, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Greg a...@cablespeed.com wrote:
 
 If at some point I change my computers to Mac or Linux will there be a
 version of smartsdr to work with or will it only be a windows app?
 
 Greg
 On May 19, 2012 1:34 PM, Tim Ellison t.m.ellison...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 See my comments below
 
 Tim Ellison
 
 On 5/19/2012 4:26 PM, Bill Tracey wrote:
 
 Some follow up questions 
 
 At 02:52 PM 5/19/2012, Tim Ellison, W4TME wrote:
 
 3.   Did I read that the audio is kept in the radio on the first
 release?
 
 Yes
 
 So the demodulation is done in the radio, not in SmartSDR?  If this is
 the case, things like filters, notches and noise blankers are also done 
 in
 the radio not in the application?
 
 SmartSDR runs in the radio.  The light weight GUI client is called
 SmartSDR-Win and it is a separate piece of software.
 
 
 So demodulation is on the radio, not the PC?
 
 Yes
 
 
 What language is SmartSDR-Win implemented .. C# or something that's more
 amenable to non Windows platforms?
 
 C# / VS2010 for the Windows client.  Other clients will probably use what
 is best for that particular OS.
 
 
 What data goes to the PC ... power data for panadapter displays, or full
 bandwidth (~300khz?)  IQ samples (at what bit depth) from the slices?
 
 Depends on the process.  Some of it is still being worked out to optimize
 bandwidth requirements depending on local (fast links) or remote (slow
 links) connectivity.
 
 
 Is there an OS running on the ARM processor in the radio?
 
 Yes.  A Linux kernel.
 
 
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Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-20 Thread paul glassman
Nice to meet you boys this morning. Impressive looking toys!
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[Flexradio] Introductory Pricing

2012-05-20 Thread Dale Gates
I am a Flex-5000 user, and am very interested in the 6000 series.
Unfortunately I will not have an opportunity to see one of the rigs until
the Huntsville hamfest in mid-August.  

 

Will Flex-Radio still be offering the introductory pricing at that time?

 

Thank you and 73

Dale

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Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-20 Thread Tim Ellison

We looked at Mono.  They wanted an astronomical amount of money for it.

Now that the SmartSDR GUI clients are light weight, it probably makes 
more sense to write them using an IDE native to the OS


Tim Ellison

On 5/20/2012 10:37 AM, N7BCP wrote:
Regarding the question about language used to develop the win client, 
there is a well supported .Net runtime for Linux (FreeBSD  OSX too I 
think) called Mono so some modules written in C# could run on multiple 
platforms. Although there are several languages that target .Net, the 
tools support for C# is the best.  Don't know if there is a Mono 
equivalent for WPF.


-Larry

What language is SmartSDR-Win implemented .. C# or something that's 
more amenable to non Windows platforms?
C# / VS2010 for the Windows client.  Other clients will probably use 
what is best for that particular OS.


-Larry

On 20.05.2012, at 05:56, Greg a...@cablespeed.com 
mailto:a...@cablespeed.com wrote:



Thanks all.  Sometimes I think about changing my shack computer to a Mac
mini. :-)
On May 19, 2012 8:13 PM, Tim Ellison t.m.ellison...@gmail.com 
mailto:t.m.ellison...@gmail.com wrote:


The client / radio architecture allows for  different light weight 
clients

running under different operating systems. At this point we have only
committed to SmartSDR-Win.

-Tim
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Sent from my mobile phone

On May 19, 2012, at 11:02 PM, Greg a...@cablespeed.com 
mailto:a...@cablespeed.com wrote:


If at some point I change my computers to Mac or Linux will there be a
version of smartsdr to work with or will it only be a windows app?

Greg
On May 19, 2012 1:34 PM, Tim Ellison t.m.ellison...@gmail.com 
mailto:t.m.ellison...@gmail.com wrote:



See my comments below

Tim Ellison

On 5/19/2012 4:26 PM, Bill Tracey wrote:


Some follow up questions 

At 02:52 PM 5/19/2012, Tim Ellison, W4TME wrote:

3.   Did I read that the audio is kept in the radio on the first

release?


Yes

So the demodulation is done in the radio, not in SmartSDR?  If 
this is
the case, things like filters, notches and noise blankers are 
also done in

the radio not in the application?


SmartSDR runs in the radio.  The light weight GUI client is called
SmartSDR-Win and it is a separate piece of software.



So demodulation is on the radio, not the PC?


Yes



What language is SmartSDR-Win implemented .. C# or something 
that's more

amenable to non Windows platforms?

C# / VS2010 for the Windows client.  Other clients will probably 
use what

is best for that particular OS.



What data goes to the PC ... power data for panadapter displays, 
or full

bandwidth (~300khz?)  IQ samples (at what bit depth) from the slices?

Depends on the process.  Some of it is still being worked out to 
optimize

bandwidth requirements depending on local (fast links) or remote (slow
links) connectivity.



Is there an OS running on the ARM processor in the radio?


Yes.  A Linux kernel.



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Re: [Flexradio] Introductory Pricing

2012-05-20 Thread Tim Ellison
Probably not.  We had an idea of the number of units we wanted to 
pre-sell for the limited time offer and the response at Dayton to the 
FLEX-6000 line exceeded expectations.


Tim Ellison

On 5/20/2012 11:00 AM, Dale Gates wrote:

I am a Flex-5000 user, and am very interested in the 6000 series.
Unfortunately I will not have an opportunity to see one of the rigs until
the Huntsville hamfest in mid-August.



Will Flex-Radio still be offering the introductory pricing at that time?



Thank you and 73

Dale

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Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-20 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:37 AM, N7BCP n7bcp.la...@gmail.com wrote:

 Regarding the question about language used to develop the win client,
 there is a well supported .Net runtime for Linux (FreeBSD  OSX too I
 think) called Mono so some modules written in C# could run on multiple
 platforms. Although there are several languages that target .Net, the tools
 support for C# is the best.  Don't know if there is a Mono equivalent for
 WPF.


Also, since the console is not doing any processing of the signal, it would
be quite easy to craft a universal console display in Java. That would run
equally well on Windows, Linux, MacOS, and the other Unix variants.

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[Flexradio] The GPSDO option in the 6000

2012-05-20 Thread Jerry Flanders
From page 5 of the 6000 brochure: When the 
GPSDO option is not installed, the FLEX-6700 and 
FLEX- 6700R come standard with a ±0.02ppm Oven 
Controlled Crystal Oscillator (OCXO) and the 
FLEX-6500 comes with at ±0.5ppm Temperature 
Controlled Crystal Oscillator (TCXO). 


So if I buy the GPSDO option, I lose the 
OXCO/TCXO Does the GPSDO take up the space 
otherwise occupied by the OXCO/TCXO?


Jerry W4UK 



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Re: [Flexradio] flex6700 inside pic ??

2012-05-20 Thread Burt
When PowerSDR 2.x came out there was a year delay with the comment it will be 
ready when it's ready.
Will the 6700 series come out in 4q 2012 or is a delay up to a year possible?
Burt
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 We have not published a picture of
 the insides of the FLEX-6000s.  Although I suspect
 someone from Dayton that took pictures of it will.
 
 Tim Ellison
 
 On 5/20/2012 3:23 AM, paim wrote:
    is any one have pic of the inside of
 the 6700 ???
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Re: [Flexradio] flex6700 inside pic ??

2012-05-20 Thread Ray, K9DUR
I saw many people taking pictures of the one on display at Dayton yesterday.
Unfortunately, I did not take my camera along.  Hopefully, someone will post
on.

Essentially, there are 2 PCB's.  One is the PA board with the filtering sand
relays.  The other is the main processor board.  Extremely well built.
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Re: [Flexradio] The GPSDO option in the 6000

2012-05-20 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jerry Flanders jefland...@comcast.netwrote:

 From page 5 of the 6000 brochure: When the GPSDO option is not installed,
 the FLEX-6700 and FLEX- 6700R come standard with a ±0.02ppm Oven Controlled
 Crystal Oscillator (OCXO) and the FLEX-6500 comes with at ±0.5ppm
 Temperature Controlled Crystal Oscillator (TCXO). 

 So if I buy the GPSDO option, I lose the OXCO/TCXO Does the GPSDO take
 up the space otherwise occupied by the OXCO/TCXO?


I would assume that the GPS receiver is disciplining the OCXO, not
replacing it. If you replace that nice oscillator you would probably reduce
the phase noise performance.

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[Flexradio] Flex 5000 wanted

2012-05-20 Thread bearcreekcattery

 I trust that this post will not be in violation of user group protocols 
Understanding that there are those of you who want to upgrade to the 6000
series,  I seek to purchase a like new 5000, preferably with tuner and
second receiver.  I am available at my personal email address:
bearcreekcatt...@juno.com for discussions.

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Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-20 Thread Stephen Hicks, N5AC
The guys at Mono wanted 10% of our profits to license it for use.  I
literally laughed at them.

I've written a lot of Java.  To say that I'm not fond of Java would be a
tremendous understatement.

Steve

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 On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:37 AM, N7BCP n7bcp.la...@gmail.comjavascript:;
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  Regarding the question about language used to develop the win client,
  there is a well supported .Net runtime for Linux (FreeBSD  OSX too I
  think) called Mono so some modules written in C# could run on multiple
  platforms. Although there are several languages that target .Net, the
 tools
  support for C# is the best.  Don't know if there is a Mono equivalent for
  WPF.
 

 Also, since the console is not doing any processing of the signal, it would
 be quite easy to craft a universal console display in Java. That would run
 equally well on Windows, Linux, MacOS, and the other Unix variants.

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Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-20 Thread k4elo
Check out Nokia's QT libraries/IDE for C++
Much nicer than Java and a lot more powerful.

73
Wayne
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On Sun, May 20, 2012, at 04:39 PM, Stephen Hicks, N5AC wrote:
 The guys at Mono wanted 10% of our profits to license it for use.  I
 literally laughed at them.
 
 I've written a lot of Java.  To say that I'm not fond of Java would be a
 tremendous understatement.
 
 Steve
 
 On Sunday, May 20, 2012, Brian Lloyd wrote:
 
  On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:37 AM, N7BCP n7bcp.la...@gmail.comjavascript:;
  wrote:
 
   Regarding the question about language used to develop the win client,
   there is a well supported .Net runtime for Linux (FreeBSD  OSX too I
   think) called Mono so some modules written in C# could run on multiple
   platforms. Although there are several languages that target .Net, the
  tools
   support for C# is the best.  Don't know if there is a Mono equivalent for
   WPF.
  
 
  Also, since the console is not doing any processing of the signal, it would
  be quite easy to craft a universal console display in Java. That would run
  equally well on Windows, Linux, MacOS, and the other Unix variants.
 
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Re: [Flexradio] The GPSDO option in the 6000

2012-05-20 Thread Stephen Hicks, N5AC
The GPSDO is a TCXO that is disciplined by a GPS receiver.  The radio
switches to the GPSDO when it is present.  The GPSDO remains on in the
radio even when the main power is turned off to maintain the high stability
oscillator and the GPS lock (unless overridden by the user).

Steve

On Sunday, May 20, 2012, Brian Lloyd wrote:

 On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jerry Flanders 
 jefland...@comcast.netjavascript:;
 wrote:

  From page 5 of the 6000 brochure: When the GPSDO option is not
 installed,
  the FLEX-6700 and FLEX- 6700R come standard with a ±0.02ppm Oven
 Controlled
  Crystal Oscillator (OCXO) and the FLEX-6500 comes with at ±0.5ppm
  Temperature Controlled Crystal Oscillator (TCXO). 
 
  So if I buy the GPSDO option, I lose the OXCO/TCXO Does the GPSDO
 take
  up the space otherwise occupied by the OXCO/TCXO?
 

 I would assume that the GPS receiver is disciplining the OCXO, not
 replacing it. If you replace that nice oscillator you would probably reduce
 the phase noise performance.

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Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-20 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Stephen Hicks, N5AC st...@flexradio.comwrote:

 The guys at Mono wanted 10% of our profits to license it for use.  I
 literally laughed at them.

 I've written a lot of Java.  To say that I'm not fond of Java would be a
 tremendous understatement.


I can understand that. Regardless, it is a relatively quick way to get a
multiplatform console. I once had to do a project that required the
application to run on 12 different platforms (Windows, Mac, and a plethora
of *nixes). Java worked. In fact, it worked so well the application is
still be developed on 15 years later.

OTOH, if *you* don't want to mess with it, perhaps you could publish your
protocols and others will. I don't see any downside to that.

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Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-20 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 2:43 PM, k4...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 Check out Nokia's QT libraries/IDE for C++
 Much nicer than Java and a lot more powerful.


Nice and functional are two different things. Having tried to port Windows
applications to other platforms is not so much fun. The one good thing
about Java, especially when all you need is screen, keyboard, mouse, and
network connection, is that you really can darned-near write once, run
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Re: [Flexradio] The GPSDO option in the 6000

2012-05-20 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Stephen Hicks, N5AC st...@flexradio.comwrote:

 The GPSDO is a TCXO that is disciplined by a GPS receiver.  The radio
 switches to the GPSDO when it is present.  The GPSDO remains on in the
 radio even when the main power is turned off to maintain the high stability
 oscillator and the GPS lock (unless overridden by the user).


So the OCXO goes away when the GPSDO is present? So what are the
phase-noise specs of the GPSDO's TCXO vs. the OCXO? Granted that the
long-term accuracy is better with the GPSDO but what about short-term and
phase noise?

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Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-20 Thread Peter G. Viscarola
quote
Nice and functional are two different things. 
/quote

Indeed.  I'm not at all convinced that doing the kind of screen-drawing you'd 
want from the GUI console would be nicely done in Java.

The advantage to using WPF and C# is that you automatically get hardware 
acceleration via DirectX when it's available.  This can be a big win, for 
exactly zero extra effort.

No, you don't get the client running on other platforms.  Oh well.

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Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-20 Thread Steven Hess
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Peter G. Viscarola pete...@osr.com wrote:
 quote
 Nice and functional are two different things.
 /quote

 Indeed.  I'm not at all convinced that doing the kind of screen-drawing you'd 
 want from the GUI console would be nicely done in Java.

 The advantage to using WPF and C# is that you automatically get hardware 
 acceleration via DirectX when it's available.  This can be a big win, for 
 exactly zero extra effort.

 No, you don't get the client running on other platforms.  Oh well.

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Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-20 Thread Peter G. Viscarola
Having a different client for different platforms is not a problem if the 
interfaces are published

Having the interfaces published would be most excellent, I agree.

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Re: [Flexradio] The GPSDO option in the 6000

2012-05-20 Thread Jerry Flanders
Read your ad copy - it seems to say that the OXCO 
is not included when one orders the GPSDO option.


Is the OXCO/TCXO included irregardless of the option order?

Jerry W4UK

At 05:44 PM 5/20/2012, you wrote:
The GPSDO is a TCXO that is disciplined by a GPS 
receiver.  The radio switches to the GPSDO when 
it is present.  The GPSDO remains on in the 
radio even when the main power is turned off to 
maintain the high stability oscillator and the 
GPS lock (unless overridden by the user).


Steve

On Sunday, May 20, 2012, Brian Lloyd wrote:
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jerry Flanders 
jefland...@comcast.netwrote:


 From page 5 of the 6000 brochure: When the GPSDO option is not installed,
 the FLEX-6700 and FLEX- 6700R come standard with a ±0.02ppm Oven Controlled
 Crystal Oscillator (OCXO) and the FLEX-6500 comes with at ±0.5ppm
 Temperature Controlled Crystal Oscillator (TCXO). 

 So if I buy the GPSDO option, I lose the OXCO/TCXO Does the GPSDO take
 up the space otherwise occupied by the OXCO/TCXO?


I would assume that the GPS receiver is disciplining the OCXO, not
replacing it. If you replace that nice oscillator you would probably reduce
the phase noise performance.

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Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-20 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Peter G. Viscarola pete...@osr.com wrote:

 Having a different client for different platforms is not a problem if the
 interfaces are published

 Having the interfaces published would be most excellent, I agree.


Published interfaces and protocols are the key.

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Re: [Flexradio] The GPSDO option in the 6000

2012-05-20 Thread Stephen Hicks, N5AC
1. The OCXO or TCXO (depending on your radio, FLEX-6700 or FLEX-6500,
respectively) are soldered to the board and do not go away with the GPSDO.
 They are just not used.
2. Phase noise of the oscillator is not particularly important as it goes
through a jitter cleaner.  It is a reference, not a base oscillator.

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On Sunday, May 20, 2012, Jerry Flanders wrote:

 Read your ad copy - it seems to say that the OXCO is not included when one
 orders the GPSDO option.

 Is the OXCO/TCXO included irregardless of the option order?

 Jerry W4UK

 At 05:44 PM 5/20/2012, you wrote:

 The GPSDO is a TCXO that is disciplined by a GPS receiver.  The radio
 switches to the GPSDO when it is present.  The GPSDO remains on in the
 radio even when the main power is turned off to maintain the high stability
 oscillator and the GPS lock (unless overridden by the user).

 Steve

 On Sunday, May 20, 2012, Brian Lloyd wrote:
 On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jerry Flanders jefland...@comcast.net
 wrote:

  From page 5 of the 6000 brochure: When the GPSDO option is not
 installed,
  the FLEX-6700 and FLEX- 6700R come standard with a ±0.02ppm Oven
 Controlled
  Crystal Oscillator (OCXO) and the FLEX-6500 comes with at ±0.5ppm
  Temperature Controlled Crystal Oscillator (TCXO). 
 
  So if I buy the GPSDO option, I lose the OXCO/TCXO Does the GPSDO
 take
  up the space otherwise occupied by the OXCO/TCXO?
 

 I would assume that the GPS receiver is disciplining the OCXO, not
 replacing it. If you replace that nice oscillator you would probably
 reduce
 the phase noise performance.

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Re: [Flexradio] The GPSDO option in the 6000

2012-05-20 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Stephen Hicks, N5AC st...@flexradio.comwrote:

 1. The OCXO or TCXO (depending on your radio, FLEX-6700 or FLEX-6500,
 respectively) are soldered to the board and do not go away with the GPSDO.
  They are just not used.
 2. Phase noise of the oscillator is not particularly important as it goes
 through a jitter cleaner.  It is a reference, not a base oscillator.


Sounds good to me. Thank you for the information Steve.

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Re: [Flexradio] The GPSDO option in the 6000

2012-05-20 Thread Stephen Hicks, N5AC
Perhaps we are not asking about the same thing.  I've not seen a GPSDO on a
single IC.

Steve

On Sunday, May 20, 2012, Jay Grizzard wrote:

 On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 07:08:27PM -0500, Stephen Hicks, N5AC wrote:
  1. The OCXO or TCXO (depending on your radio, FLEX-6700 or FLEX-6500,
  respectively) are soldered to the board and do not go away with the
 GPSDO.
   They are just not used.

 Given that a pretty decent GPSDO IC w/ 10MHz out can be hand for (well)
 under $100, and requires very little extra circuitry to use... what are
 you doing extra with your board that makes it cost so much more? Those
 chips are cheaper than a OCXO, even.

 Just curious.

 -jay




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[Flexradio] Digital modes

2012-05-20 Thread Greg
I noticed in the specs it does not list DIGU or DIGL as used with the 
other Flex rigs...but it lists RTTY.  Looking on the back of the radio I 
don't see an input for RTTY.  Is it on the ACCY connector or is it going 
to be done by a VSP?


What then is used for PSK, SSTV and other digital modes?  Are we back to 
using USB/LSB and manually making sure CMP is off?


Thanks!
73
Greg


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Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

2012-05-20 Thread Lester Veenstra
And they can be used in platform independent Python, which is no cost to all, 
for all.



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Subject: Re: [Flexradio] 6000 Series SOFTWARE Questions

Check out Nokia's QT libraries/IDE for C++ Much nicer than Java and a lot more 
powerful.

73
Wayne
K4ELO


On Sun, May 20, 2012, at 04:39 PM, Stephen Hicks, N5AC wrote:
 The guys at Mono wanted 10% of our profits to license it for use.  I 
 literally laughed at them.
 
 I've written a lot of Java.  To say that I'm not fond of Java would be 
 a tremendous understatement.
 
 Steve
 
 On Sunday, May 20, 2012, Brian Lloyd wrote:
 
  On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 7:37 AM, N7BCP 
  n7bcp.la...@gmail.comjavascript:;
  wrote:
 
   Regarding the question about language used to develop the win 
   client, there is a well supported .Net runtime for Linux (FreeBSD 
OSX too I
   think) called Mono so some modules written in C# could run on 
   multiple platforms. Although there are several languages that 
   target .Net, the
  tools
   support for C# is the best.  Don't know if there is a Mono 
   equivalent for WPF.
  
 
  Also, since the console is not doing any processing of the signal, 
  it would be quite easy to craft a universal console display in Java. 
  That would run equally well on Windows, Linux, MacOS, and the other Unix 
  variants.
 
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