Re: [Flexradio] FlexRadio Digest, Vol 106, Issue 20

2014-02-24 Thread Jay 
So I ask. What Settings for the NR and AGC-T were you using in the 
failed test?

Were you using PowerSDR v2.6.4 or v2.7.2 when it failed or something older?
I'd like to try doing the same if I can borrow a rf signal generator.
Did you use the signal generator to generate CW or just a carrier?
Turning on NR in PowerSDR shouldn't affect the actual received signal level
That would defeat the purpose, it also won't reduce the noise floor.
With my Flex5000 the noise floor and signals don't change levels, But 
the amount
of noise in the AF is reduced, I have no idea how much in dB. How were 
you measuring the

SNR levels?

I'd like to learn how this is actually measured.
How can I measure the SNR?

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2. Re: DSP NR (Mike)
3. Re: DSP NR (Michael Walker)
4. Re: DSP NR (Don Plunkett)
5. Re: DSP NR (Burt)
6. Re: DSP NR (Julius Jones (Prodigy))
7. Re: DSP NR (Burt)
8. Re: DSP NR (manual...@juno.com)
9. Re: DSP NR (Jay)
   10. Re: DSP NR (Jay)
   11. Re: DSP NR (Burt)
   12. Re: DSP NR (Michael Walker)
   13. A problem of a different sort (William and Susan)
   14. Re: A problem of a different sort (geo...@gloria.us)
   15. Re: A problem of a different sort (GARY HUBER)


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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:23:29 -0500
From: "David Edwards" 
To: 
Subject: [Flexradio] DSP NR
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I have been using the Flex 5K with Win7 64bit running on an i7 with 
12 gb memory for about 5 years now. Have upgraded software at least 4 
major revisions now running v2.7.2 PowerSDR. This is an awsome radio 
and my best radio. Currently have 2 other HF radios: IC7800 and 
TS2000 and have had many Kenwood and Yaesu radios over the years.


There is one area where the Flex 5K falls down and has not really 
ever worked. The DSP noise reduction is useless. Over the years I 
have not seen any situation where switching on NR improves the 
ability to copy a weak signal. The IC7800 DSP NR is FAR superior. 
When I purchased the Flex at the Boxborough Ma hamfest the canned 
demonstration showed incredible signal improvement using NR. So I 
wonder when the NR will ever be improved to at least the usable state.


BTW I?ve tried every conceivable setting on the DSP and Audio config. 
pages, have lots of processing power and lots of experience with 
SDR?s. I work with the most expensive SDR everyday of the week at my 
job: The General Dynamics DMR, at $500K per copy this isn?t 
comparable but my point is I?m not new to SDR. That said if I?m 
missing something I?d like to hear from others who may have had a 
different experience.  Again I think this is a great radio just not 
great DSP NR.


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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 17:29:01 -0600
From: "Mike" 
To: "'David Edwards'" , 
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR
Message-ID: <003801cf30ef$096f9ba0$1c4ed2e0$@gmail.com>
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You are not alone my friend...

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David Edwards
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:23 PM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] DSP NR

I have been using the Flex 5K with Win7 64bit running on an i7 with 
12 gb

memory for about 5 years now. Have upgraded software at least 4 major
revisions now running v2.7.2 PowerSDR. This is an awsome radio and 
my best

radio. Currently have 2 other HF radios: IC7800 and TS2000 and have had
many Kenwood and Yaesu radios over the years.

There is one area where the Flex 5K falls down and has not really ever
worked. The DSP noise reduction is useless. Over the years I have 
not seen

any situation where switching on NR improves the ability to copy a weak
signal. The IC7800 DSP NR is FAR superior. When I purchased the Flex 
at the

Boxborough Ma hamfest the canned demonstration showed incredible signal
improvement using NR. So I wonder when the NR will ever be improved 
to at

least the usable state.

BTW I?ve tried every conceivable setting on the DSP and Audio 
config. pages,
have lots of processing power and lots of experience with SDR?s. I 
work with

the most expensive SDR everyday of the week at my job: The General
Dynamics DMR, at $5

Re: [Flexradio] FlexRadio Digest, Vol 106, Issue 20

2014-02-24 Thread k8ki/Bob 

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1. DSP NR (David Edwards)
2. Re: DSP NR (Mike)
3. Re: DSP NR (Michael Walker)
4. Re: DSP NR (Don Plunkett)
5. Re: DSP NR (Burt)
6. Re: DSP NR (Julius Jones (Prodigy))
7. Re: DSP NR (Burt)
8. Re: DSP NR (manual...@juno.com)
9. Re: DSP NR (Jay)
   10. Re: DSP NR (Jay)
   11. Re: DSP NR (Burt)
   12. Re: DSP NR (Michael Walker)
   13. A problem of a different sort (William and Susan)
   14. Re: A problem of a different sort (geo...@gloria.us)
   15. Re: A problem of a different sort (GARY HUBER)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:23:29 -0500
From: "David Edwards" 
To: 
Subject: [Flexradio] DSP NR
Message-ID: <79CCC8E1A6CB4035A9422CC819BB006F@PCX58>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="UTF-8"

I have been using the Flex 5K with Win7 64bit running on an i7 with 12 gb 
memory for about 5 years now. Have upgraded software at least 4 major revisions 
now running v2.7.2 PowerSDR. This is an awsome radio and my best radio. 
Currently have 2 other HF radios: IC7800 and TS2000 and have had many Kenwood 
and Yaesu radios over the years.

There is one area where the Flex 5K falls down and has not really ever worked. 
The DSP noise reduction is useless. Over the years I have not seen any 
situation where switching on NR improves the ability to copy a weak signal. The 
IC7800 DSP NR is FAR superior. When I purchased the Flex at the Boxborough Ma 
hamfest the canned demonstration showed incredible signal improvement using NR. 
So I wonder when the NR will ever be improved to at least the usable state.

BTW I?ve tried every conceivable setting on the DSP and Audio config. pages, 
have lots of processing power and lots of experience with SDR?s. I work with 
the most expensive SDR everyday of the week at my job: The General Dynamics 
DMR, at $500K per copy this isn?t comparable but my point is I?m not new to 
SDR. That said if I?m missing something I?d like to hear from others who may 
have had a different experience.  Again I think this is a great radio just not 
great DSP NR.

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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 17:29:01 -0600
From: "Mike" 
To: "'David Edwards'" ,   
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR
Message-ID: <003801cf30ef$096f9ba0$1c4ed2e0$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="utf-8"

You are not alone my friend...

Mike, K4EAR


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From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of
David Edwards
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:23 PM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] DSP NR

I have been using the Flex 5K with Win7 64bit running on an i7 with 12 gb
memory for about 5 years now. Have upgraded software at least 4 major
revisions now running v2.7.2 PowerSDR. This is an awsome radio and my best
radio. Currently have 2 other HF radios: IC7800 and TS2000 and have had
many Kenwood and Yaesu radios over the years.

There is one area where the Flex 5K falls down and has not really ever
worked. The DSP noise reduction is useless. Over the years I have not seen
any situation where switching on NR improves the ability to copy a weak
signal. The IC7800 DSP NR is FAR superior. When I purchased the Flex at the
Boxborough Ma hamfest the canned demonstration showed incredible signal
improvement using NR. So I wonder when the NR will ever be improved to at
least the usable state.

BTW I?ve tried every conceivable setting on the DSP and Audio config. pages,
have lots of processing power and lots of experience with SDR?s. I work with
the most expensive SDR everyday of the week at my job: The General
Dynamics DMR, at $500K per copy this isn?t comparable but my point is I?m
not new to SDR. That said if I?m missing something I?d like to hear from
others who may have had a different experience.  Again I think this is a great
radio just not great DSP NR.
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Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 19:30:39 -0500
From: Michael Walker 
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Subject: Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR
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Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

2014-02-24 Thread Jay 

Ask and Ye shall ... click!

On 2/24/2014 8:14 PM, Jay wrote:

Your Welcome!:-) :-) :-)
On 2/24/2014 8:12 PM, Jay wrote:
The same List search works for both the FlexEdge and Flexradio list 
archives.


On 2/24/2014 8:04 PM, Jay wrote:
AGC-T hints at From the Flex Knowledge base 
 
:-)

On 2/24/2014 7:58 PM, Jay wrote:

This list is a good reference.
Type NR in the box and click Search button. 



And click on Advanced Search and then Search NR the same way.
:-)
On 2/24/2014 7:46 PM, Don Plunkett wrote:
Where might we find some documentation that describes how to use 
these

tools? ... don va6fh

-Original Message-
From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On 
Behalf Of Jay

Sent: February-24-14 6:18 PM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

Ok Double Ditto what Michael just posted.
They are only as useful as you want them to be.


On 2/24/2014 6:50 AM, Michael Walker wrote:

I would disagree on both the Scope and the NR.

I have had a Flex for many years.  The NR has made a difference 
and is
certainly better than the NR on any other radio that I have 
used.  The

NR is not plug and play, nor it is it locked down that those hard
coded units I have with very little adjustment.  NR is a very
complicated algorithm and most noises are not the same. However, the
use of the NR and a frequency designed receiving antenna have 
made the

largest difference in my ability to hear things.

As for the Scope, I wouldn't live without it.  The Histogram is very
useful when watching other stations on their audio distribution 
and is
certainly better then anything else.  In my 6M work, it is 
invaluable

for spotting signals, although the spurs do drive me crazy at times.

As for AM, I never use it as I personally find it a waste of
bandwidth, but that is just me.  I personally feel that our goal 
is to
get the information of a QSO across the ether and you don't need 
5Khz
to do that.  I'm not trying to upset the AM guys, just my view of 
AM,

while very historic, is just not efficient.  It is good that we have
so many options even including DV.

For those of you who don't like the NR or don't like the Scope, then
why are you still using the radio and have not moved on to 
something else?


Mike va3mw



On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Burt  wrote:


  From Real life:
The scope is NOTHING like a real scope, try to use it on AM to
monitor either your or the other stations AM envelope.
I agree with comments about NR, useless.

On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:35 PM, Jay  wrote:

The Scope display is also useful when used while adjusting the 
"useless"

NR button. I like the Scope display i like the Pan_A_Scope display
even more. I don't see much use for the histogram and phase2 
displays

though.

What are they for?
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Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

2014-02-24 Thread Jay 

Your Welcome!:-) :-) :-)
On 2/24/2014 8:12 PM, Jay wrote:
The same List search works for both the FlexEdge and Flexradio list 
archives.


On 2/24/2014 8:04 PM, Jay wrote:
AGC-T hints at From the Flex Knowledge base 
 :-)

On 2/24/2014 7:58 PM, Jay wrote:

This list is a good reference.
Type NR in the box and click Search button. 



And click on Advanced Search and then Search NR the same way.
:-)
On 2/24/2014 7:46 PM, Don Plunkett wrote:

Where might we find some documentation that describes how to use these
tools? ... don va6fh

-Original Message-
From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf 
Of Jay

Sent: February-24-14 6:18 PM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

Ok Double Ditto what Michael just posted.
They are only as useful as you want them to be.


On 2/24/2014 6:50 AM, Michael Walker wrote:

I would disagree on both the Scope and the NR.

I have had a Flex for many years.  The NR has made a difference 
and is
certainly better than the NR on any other radio that I have used.  
The

NR is not plug and play, nor it is it locked down that those hard
coded units I have with very little adjustment.  NR is a very
complicated algorithm and most noises are not the same. However, the
use of the NR and a frequency designed receiving antenna have made 
the

largest difference in my ability to hear things.

As for the Scope, I wouldn't live without it.  The Histogram is very
useful when watching other stations on their audio distribution 
and is

certainly better then anything else.  In my 6M work, it is invaluable
for spotting signals, although the spurs do drive me crazy at times.

As for AM, I never use it as I personally find it a waste of
bandwidth, but that is just me.  I personally feel that our goal 
is to

get the information of a QSO across the ether and you don't need 5Khz
to do that.  I'm not trying to upset the AM guys, just my view of AM,
while very historic, is just not efficient.  It is good that we have
so many options even including DV.

For those of you who don't like the NR or don't like the Scope, then
why are you still using the radio and have not moved on to 
something else?


Mike va3mw



On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Burt  wrote:


  From Real life:
The scope is NOTHING like a real scope, try to use it on AM to
monitor either your or the other stations AM envelope.
I agree with comments about NR, useless.

On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:35 PM, Jay  wrote:

The Scope display is also useful when used while adjusting the 
"useless"

NR button. I like the Scope display i like the Pan_A_Scope display
even more. I don't see much use for the histogram and phase2 
displays

though.

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Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

2014-02-24 Thread Jay 
The same List search works for both the FlexEdge and Flexradio list 
archives.


On 2/24/2014 8:04 PM, Jay wrote:
AGC-T hints at From the Flex Knowledge base 
 :-)

On 2/24/2014 7:58 PM, Jay wrote:

This list is a good reference.
Type NR in the box and click Search button. 



And click on Advanced Search and then Search NR the same way.
:-)
On 2/24/2014 7:46 PM, Don Plunkett wrote:

Where might we find some documentation that describes how to use these
tools? ... don va6fh

-Original Message-
From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf 
Of Jay

Sent: February-24-14 6:18 PM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

Ok Double Ditto what Michael just posted.
They are only as useful as you want them to be.


On 2/24/2014 6:50 AM, Michael Walker wrote:

I would disagree on both the Scope and the NR.

I have had a Flex for many years.  The NR has made a difference and is
certainly better than the NR on any other radio that I have used.  The
NR is not plug and play, nor it is it locked down that those hard
coded units I have with very little adjustment.  NR is a very
complicated algorithm and most noises are not the same. However, the
use of the NR and a frequency designed receiving antenna have made the
largest difference in my ability to hear things.

As for the Scope, I wouldn't live without it.  The Histogram is very
useful when watching other stations on their audio distribution and is
certainly better then anything else.  In my 6M work, it is invaluable
for spotting signals, although the spurs do drive me crazy at times.

As for AM, I never use it as I personally find it a waste of
bandwidth, but that is just me.  I personally feel that our goal is to
get the information of a QSO across the ether and you don't need 5Khz
to do that.  I'm not trying to upset the AM guys, just my view of AM,
while very historic, is just not efficient.  It is good that we have
so many options even including DV.

For those of you who don't like the NR or don't like the Scope, then
why are you still using the radio and have not moved on to 
something else?


Mike va3mw



On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Burt  wrote:


  From Real life:
The scope is NOTHING like a real scope, try to use it on AM to
monitor either your or the other stations AM envelope.
I agree with comments about NR, useless.

On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:35 PM, Jay  wrote:

The Scope display is also useful when used while adjusting the 
"useless"

NR button. I like the Scope display i like the Pan_A_Scope display
even more. I don't see much use for the histogram and phase2 displays

though.

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Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

2014-02-24 Thread Jay 
AGC-T hints at From the Flex Knowledge base 
 :-)

On 2/24/2014 7:58 PM, Jay wrote:

This list is a good reference.
Type NR in the box and click Search button. 



And click on Advanced Search and then Search NR the same way.
:-)
On 2/24/2014 7:46 PM, Don Plunkett wrote:

Where might we find some documentation that describes how to use these
tools? ... don va6fh

-Original Message-
From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf 
Of Jay

Sent: February-24-14 6:18 PM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

Ok Double Ditto what Michael just posted.
They are only as useful as you want them to be.


On 2/24/2014 6:50 AM, Michael Walker wrote:

I would disagree on both the Scope and the NR.

I have had a Flex for many years.  The NR has made a difference and is
certainly better than the NR on any other radio that I have used.  The
NR is not plug and play, nor it is it locked down that those hard
coded units I have with very little adjustment.  NR is a very
complicated algorithm and most noises are not the same. However, the
use of the NR and a frequency designed receiving antenna have made the
largest difference in my ability to hear things.

As for the Scope, I wouldn't live without it.  The Histogram is very
useful when watching other stations on their audio distribution and is
certainly better then anything else.  In my 6M work, it is invaluable
for spotting signals, although the spurs do drive me crazy at times.

As for AM, I never use it as I personally find it a waste of
bandwidth, but that is just me.  I personally feel that our goal is to
get the information of a QSO across the ether and you don't need 5Khz
to do that.  I'm not trying to upset the AM guys, just my view of AM,
while very historic, is just not efficient.  It is good that we have
so many options even including DV.

For those of you who don't like the NR or don't like the Scope, then
why are you still using the radio and have not moved on to something 
else?


Mike va3mw



On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Burt  wrote:


  From Real life:
The scope is NOTHING like a real scope, try to use it on AM to
monitor either your or the other stations AM envelope.
I agree with comments about NR, useless.

On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:35 PM, Jay  wrote:

The Scope display is also useful when used while adjusting the 
"useless"

NR button. I like the Scope display i like the Pan_A_Scope display
even more. I don't see much use for the histogram and phase2 displays

though.

What are they for?
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Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

2014-02-24 Thread Jay 

This list is a good reference.
Type NR in the box and click Search button. 



And click on Advanced Search and then Search NR the same way.
:-)
On 2/24/2014 7:46 PM, Don Plunkett wrote:

Where might we find some documentation that describes how to use these
tools? ... don va6fh

-Original Message-
From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Jay
Sent: February-24-14 6:18 PM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

Ok Double Ditto what Michael just posted.
They are only as useful as you want them to be.


On 2/24/2014 6:50 AM, Michael Walker wrote:

I would disagree on both the Scope and the NR.

I have had a Flex for many years.  The NR has made a difference and is
certainly better than the NR on any other radio that I have used.  The
NR is not plug and play, nor it is it locked down that those hard
coded units I have with very little adjustment.  NR is a very
complicated algorithm and most noises are not the same.  However, the
use of the NR and a frequency designed receiving antenna have made the
largest difference in my ability to hear things.

As for the Scope, I wouldn't live without it.  The Histogram is very
useful when watching other stations on their audio distribution and is
certainly better then anything else.  In my 6M work, it is invaluable
for spotting signals, although the spurs do drive me crazy at times.

As for AM, I never use it as I personally find it a waste of
bandwidth, but that is just me.  I personally feel that our goal is to
get the information of a QSO across the ether and you don't need 5Khz
to do that.  I'm not trying to upset the AM guys, just my view of AM,
while very historic, is just not efficient.  It is good that we have
so many options even including DV.

For those of you who don't like the NR or don't like the Scope, then
why are you still using the radio and have not moved on to something else?

Mike va3mw



On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Burt  wrote:


  From Real life:
The scope is NOTHING like a real scope, try to use it on AM to
monitor either your or the other stations AM envelope.
I agree with comments about NR, useless.

On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:35 PM, Jay  wrote:

The Scope display is also useful when used while adjusting the "useless"
NR button. I like the Scope display i like the Pan_A_Scope display
even more. I don't see much use for the histogram and phase2 displays

though.

What are they for?
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Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

2014-02-24 Thread Don Plunkett 
Where might we find some documentation that describes how to use these
tools? ... don va6fh

-Original Message-
From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Jay
Sent: February-24-14 6:18 PM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

Ok Double Ditto what Michael just posted.
They are only as useful as you want them to be.


On 2/24/2014 6:50 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> I would disagree on both the Scope and the NR.
>
> I have had a Flex for many years.  The NR has made a difference and is 
> certainly better than the NR on any other radio that I have used.  The 
> NR is not plug and play, nor it is it locked down that those hard 
> coded units I have with very little adjustment.  NR is a very 
> complicated algorithm and most noises are not the same.  However, the 
> use of the NR and a frequency designed receiving antenna have made the 
> largest difference in my ability to hear things.
>
> As for the Scope, I wouldn't live without it.  The Histogram is very 
> useful when watching other stations on their audio distribution and is 
> certainly better then anything else.  In my 6M work, it is invaluable 
> for spotting signals, although the spurs do drive me crazy at times.
>
> As for AM, I never use it as I personally find it a waste of 
> bandwidth, but that is just me.  I personally feel that our goal is to 
> get the information of a QSO across the ether and you don't need 5Khz 
> to do that.  I'm not trying to upset the AM guys, just my view of AM, 
> while very historic, is just not efficient.  It is good that we have 
> so many options even including DV.
>
> For those of you who don't like the NR or don't like the Scope, then 
> why are you still using the radio and have not moved on to something else?
>
> Mike va3mw
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Burt  wrote:
>
>>  From Real life:
>> The scope is NOTHING like a real scope, try to use it on AM to 
>> monitor either your or the other stations AM envelope.
>> I agree with comments about NR, useless.
>>
>> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:35 PM, Jay  wrote:
>>
>> The Scope display is also useful when used while adjusting the "useless"
>> NR button. I like the Scope display i like the Pan_A_Scope display 
>> even more. I don't see much use for the histogram and phase2 displays
though.
>> What are they for?
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Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

2014-02-24 Thread Jay 

Ok Double Ditto what Michael just posted.
They are only as useful as you want them to be.


On 2/24/2014 6:50 AM, Michael Walker wrote:

I would disagree on both the Scope and the NR.

I have had a Flex for many years.  The NR has made a difference and is
certainly better than the NR on any other radio that I have used.  The NR
is not plug and play, nor it is it locked down that those hard coded units
I have with very little adjustment.  NR is a very complicated algorithm and
most noises are not the same.  However, the use of the NR and a frequency
designed receiving antenna have made the largest difference in my ability
to hear things.

As for the Scope, I wouldn't live without it.  The Histogram is very useful
when watching other stations on their audio distribution and is certainly
better then anything else.  In my 6M work, it is invaluable for spotting
signals, although the spurs do drive me crazy at times.

As for AM, I never use it as I personally find it a waste of bandwidth, but
that is just me.  I personally feel that our goal is to get the information
of a QSO across the ether and you don't need 5Khz to do that.  I'm not
trying to upset the AM guys, just my view of AM, while very historic, is
just not efficient.  It is good that we have so many options even including
DV.

For those of you who don't like the NR or don't like the Scope, then why
are you still using the radio and have not moved on to something else?

Mike va3mw



On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Burt  wrote:


 From Real life:
The scope is NOTHING like a real scope, try to use it on AM to monitor
either your or the other stations AM envelope.
I agree with comments about NR, useless.

On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:35 PM, Jay  wrote:

The Scope display is also useful when used while adjusting the "useless"
NR button. I like the Scope display i like the Pan_A_Scope display even
more. I don't see much use for the histogram and phase2 displays though.
What are they for?
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Re: [Flexradio] SWR and AM carrier

2014-02-24 Thread kevin 

On 2/24/2014 5:49 PM, William and Susan wrote:

First, the SWR meter on the radio program itself is always reading a 0:1 no 
matter what the real swr is.  Now, I have deliberately set my swr way up high 
yet the meter tells me it is fine.  IT IS NOT.  Good thing I have an swr meter 
on my external tuner and my Amp meter and my sit alone meter.
Second, In the set up program it has set my AM carrier for 25 watts yet the 
Manual has it has 100 watts.  Anyone know why?   AM is my mode of choice.  I do 
not care how much space it takes, it is the Greatest Mode.  lol
Thanks  Bill

[...]



You should run 25 Watts or less carrier power in the AM mode, as 
others on the list have said.


Properly set up, most of the Flex rigs are capable of 
broadcast-quality AM (and, for that matter, broadcast-quality SSB too).


With my SDR-1000, and I assume other Flex transceivers, the SWR 
meter only functions in the TUNE mode. In all other modes, use the 
REFLECTED power meter to ascertain your antenna matching.



With all good wishes.


Kevin, WB4AIO.


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Re: [Flexradio] SWR and AM carrier

2014-02-24 Thread Burt 
I bought a Valiant for AM thinking it was the king of AM however my Flex 5000 
got better reports.
AM and the hams that use it are of generally higher caliber than the average 
ham. Also they don't say in 30 seconds 59 QSL via buro, HI HI what a beautiful 
day. There is meat in their conversation and their transmitters.




On Monday, February 24, 2014 6:49 PM, Jay Bromley  wrote:
 
Hi Bill,
Flex did it right and understands AM!  When in AM 100% modulation peaks is 4
times the carrier or twice the voltage and current on scope with symmetrical
modulation.  So it is simple, if you had a 200 watt final you could go up to
50 watts of carrier and modulate it 100% with a 200 watt PA. If you had a
100 watt final and ran it at 100 watts you will have no headroom for the
modulation, you would need a PA of at least 400 watts, that is symmetrical
modulation only!

73 de w5jay..

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William and Susan
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 4:50 PM
To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] SWR and AM carrier

First, the SWR meter on the radio program itself is always reading a 0:1 no
matter what the real swr is.  Now, I have deliberately set my swr way up
high yet the meter tells me it is fine.  IT IS NOT.  Good thing I have an
swr meter on my external tuner and my Amp meter and my sit alone meter.  
Second, In the set up program it has set my AM carrier for 25 watts yet the
Manual has it has 100 watts.  Anyone know why?   AM is my mode of choice.  I
do not care how much space it takes, it is the Greatest Mode.  lol
Thanks  Bill
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Re: [Flexradio] SWR and AM carrier

2014-02-24 Thread Jay Bromley 
Hi Bill,
Flex did it right and understands AM!  When in AM 100% modulation peaks is 4
times the carrier or twice the voltage and current on scope with symmetrical
modulation.  So it is simple, if you had a 200 watt final you could go up to
50 watts of carrier and modulate it 100% with a 200 watt PA. If you had a
100 watt final and ran it at 100 watts you will have no headroom for the
modulation, you would need a PA of at least 400 watts, that is symmetrical
modulation only!

73 de w5jay..

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From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of
William and Susan
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 4:50 PM
To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] SWR and AM carrier

First, the SWR meter on the radio program itself is always reading a 0:1 no
matter what the real swr is.  Now, I have deliberately set my swr way up
high yet the meter tells me it is fine.  IT IS NOT.  Good thing I have an
swr meter on my external tuner and my Amp meter and my sit alone meter.  
Second, In the set up program it has set my AM carrier for 25 watts yet the
Manual has it has 100 watts.  Anyone know why?   AM is my mode of choice.  I
do not care how much space it takes, it is the Greatest Mode.  lol
Thanks  Bill
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Re: [Flexradio] SWR and AM carrier

2014-02-24 Thread Michael Walker 
Hi Bill

Flex 3000 and Flex 5000 the AM power out is only 25 watts and that is from
the manual.  That is the norm for all 100 watt HF rigs.  100 CW or PEP, but
only 25 watts in AM mode.

Sorry, I can't help you with the SWR  meter issue.

Mike va3mw


On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 5:49 PM, William and Susan  wrote:

> First, the SWR meter on the radio program itself is always reading a 0:1
> no matter what the real swr is.  Now, I have deliberately set my swr way up
> high yet the meter tells me it is fine.  IT IS NOT.  Good thing I have an
> swr meter on my external tuner and my Amp meter and my sit alone meter.
> Second, In the set up program it has set my AM carrier for 25 watts yet
> the Manual has it has 100 watts.  Anyone know why?   AM is my mode of
> choice.  I do not care how much space it takes, it is the Greatest Mode.
>  lol
> Thanks  Bill
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[Flexradio] SWR and AM carrier

2014-02-24 Thread William and Susan 
First, the SWR meter on the radio program itself is always reading a 0:1 no 
matter what the real swr is.  Now, I have deliberately set my swr way up high 
yet the meter tells me it is fine.  IT IS NOT.  Good thing I have an swr meter 
on my external tuner and my Amp meter and my sit alone meter.  
Second, In the set up program it has set my AM carrier for 25 watts yet the 
Manual has it has 100 watts.  Anyone know why?   AM is my mode of choice.  I do 
not care how much space it takes, it is the Greatest Mode.  lol
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Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

2014-02-24 Thread Russ Dearmore 


  
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Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

2014-02-24 Thread Paul Playford 
I forgot that I have AGC-T set to 70 which is also important for NR 
operation.


Paul

-Original Message- 
From: Randy Hall

Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 2:17 PM
To: Paul Playford
Cc: Phil Cragg ; Lyle Fisher ; flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

Paul,

Great post.  I would like to know more about these settings.  I question if 
one setting fits all?  The factory sends out one setting, how do we 
determine the right one for out individual radio set ups?  Based on the 
knowledge I have now it's trial and error, but there must be a better way 
based on the engineering of the product.  Can anyone share knowledge so we 
all learn?


Randy
N4FNB


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On Feb 24, 2014, at 4:03 PM, "Paul Playford"  wrote:

PowerSDR  v2.6.4 FLEX 1500

PowerSDR:
Setup
DSP
Options
NR
Taps: 31
Gain: 16
Delay: 5
Leak: 10

Works for me.

Paul, W8AEF

-Original Message- From: Phil Cragg
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 12:22 PM
To: 'Lyle Fisher'
Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

I'd love to  know what's set wrong then. As it is now it does nothing for 
me
at all. (Positive that is; it just distorts incoming audio). And I've 
tried

myriads of different settings.

Phil
G3UGK


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Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

2014-02-24 Thread Randy Hall 
Paul,

Great post.  I would like to know more about these settings.  I question if one 
setting fits all?  The factory sends out one setting, how do we determine the 
right one for out individual radio set ups?  Based on the knowledge I have now 
it's trial and error, but there must be a better way based on the engineering 
of the product.  Can anyone share knowledge so we all learn?

Randy
N4FNB 


Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 24, 2014, at 4:03 PM, "Paul Playford"  wrote:
> 
> PowerSDR  v2.6.4 FLEX 1500
> 
> PowerSDR:
> Setup
> DSP
> Options
> NR
> Taps: 31
> Gain: 16
> Delay: 5
> Leak: 10
> 
> Works for me.
> 
> Paul, W8AEF
> 
> -Original Message- From: Phil Cragg
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 12:22 PM
> To: 'Lyle Fisher'
> Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR
> 
> I'd love to  know what's set wrong then. As it is now it does nothing for me
> at all. (Positive that is; it just distorts incoming audio). And I've tried
> myriads of different settings.
> 
> Phil
> G3UGK
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Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

2014-02-24 Thread Paul Playford 

PowerSDR  v2.6.4 FLEX 1500

PowerSDR:
Setup
DSP
Options
NR
 Taps: 31
 Gain: 16
 Delay: 5
 Leak: 10

Works for me.

Paul, W8AEF

-Original Message- 
From: Phil Cragg

Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 12:22 PM
To: 'Lyle Fisher'
Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

I'd love to  know what's set wrong then. As it is now it does nothing for me
at all. (Positive that is; it just distorts incoming audio). And I've tried
myriads of different settings.

Phil
G3UGK


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Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

2014-02-24 Thread Phil Cragg 
I'd love to  know what's set wrong then. As it is now it does nothing for me
at all. (Positive that is; it just distorts incoming audio). And I've tried
myriads of different settings.

Phil
G3UGK

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From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Lyle
Fisher
Sent: 24 February 2014 18:42
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] DSP NR

DSP works great for me on my Flex 5K. I would not be able to operate without
it. You do not have something set right.

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   2. Re: DSP NR (Mike)
   3. Re: DSP NR (Michael Walker)
   4. Re: DSP NR (Don Plunkett)
   5. Re: DSP NR (Burt)
   6. Re: DSP NR (Julius Jones (Prodigy))
   7. Re: DSP NR (Burt)
   8. Re: DSP NR (manual...@juno.com)
   9. Re: DSP NR (Jay)
  10. Re: DSP NR (Jay)
  11. Re: DSP NR (Burt)
  12. Re: DSP NR (Michael Walker)
  13. A problem of a different sort (William and Susan)
  14. Re: A problem of a different sort (geo...@gloria.us)
  15. Re: A problem of a different sort (GARY HUBER)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:23:29 -0500
From: "David Edwards" 
To: 
Subject: [Flexradio] DSP NR
Message-ID: <79CCC8E1A6CB4035A9422CC819BB006F@PCX58>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="UTF-8"

I have been using the Flex 5K with Win7 64bit running on an i7 with 12 gb
memory for about 5 years now. Have upgraded software at least 4 major
revisions now running v2.7.2 PowerSDR. This is an awsome radio and my best
radio. Currently have 2 other HF radios: IC7800 and TS2000 and have had many
Kenwood and Yaesu radios over the years. 

There is one area where the Flex 5K falls down and has not really ever
worked. The DSP noise reduction is useless. Over the years I have not seen
any situation where switching on NR improves the ability to copy a weak
signal. The IC7800 DSP NR is FAR superior. When I purchased the Flex at the
Boxborough Ma hamfest the canned demonstration showed incredible signal
improvement using NR. So I wonder when the NR will ever be improved to at
least the usable state.

BTW I?ve tried every conceivable setting on the DSP and Audio config. pages,
have lots of processing power and lots of experience with SDR?s. I work with
the most expensive SDR everyday of the week at my job: The General Dynamics
DMR, at $500K per copy this isn?t comparable but my point is I?m not new to
SDR. That said if I?m missing something I?d like to hear from others who may
have had a different experience.  Again I think this is a great radio just
not great DSP NR.

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 17:29:01 -0600
From: "Mike" 
To: "'David Edwards'" ,   
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR
Message-ID: <003801cf30ef$096f9ba0$1c4ed2e0$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="utf-8"

You are not alone my friend...

Mike, K4EAR

> -Original Message-
> From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of 
> David Edwards
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:23 PM
> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: [Flexradio] DSP NR
> 
> I have been using the Flex 5K with Win7 64bit running on an i7 with 12 
> gb memory for about 5 years now. Have upgraded software at least 4 
> major revisions now running v2.7.2 PowerSDR. This is an awsome radio 
> and my best radio. Currently have 2 other HF radios: IC7800 and TS2000 
> and have had many Kenwood and Yaesu radios over the years.
> 
> There is one area where the Flex 5K falls down and has not really ever 
> worked. The DSP noise reduction is useless. Over the years I have not 
> seen any situation where switching on NR improves the ability to copy 
> a weak signal. The IC7800 DSP NR is FAR superior. When I purchased the 
> Flex at the Boxborough Ma hamfest the canned demonstration showed 
> incredible signal improvement using NR. So I wonder when the NR will 
> ever be improved to at least the usable state.
> 
> BTW I?ve tried every conceivable setting on the DSP and Audio config. 
> pages, have lots of processing power and lots of experience with 
> SDR?s. I work with the most expensive SDR everyday of the week at my
> job: The General Dynamics DMR, at $500K

[Flexradio] DSP NR

2014-02-24 Thread Lyle Fisher 
DSP works great for me on my Flex 5K. I would not be able to operate without
it. You do not have something set right.

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Today's Topics:

   1. DSP NR (David Edwards)
   2. Re: DSP NR (Mike)
   3. Re: DSP NR (Michael Walker)
   4. Re: DSP NR (Don Plunkett)
   5. Re: DSP NR (Burt)
   6. Re: DSP NR (Julius Jones (Prodigy))
   7. Re: DSP NR (Burt)
   8. Re: DSP NR (manual...@juno.com)
   9. Re: DSP NR (Jay)
  10. Re: DSP NR (Jay)
  11. Re: DSP NR (Burt)
  12. Re: DSP NR (Michael Walker)
  13. A problem of a different sort (William and Susan)
  14. Re: A problem of a different sort (geo...@gloria.us)
  15. Re: A problem of a different sort (GARY HUBER)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:23:29 -0500
From: "David Edwards" 
To: 
Subject: [Flexradio] DSP NR
Message-ID: <79CCC8E1A6CB4035A9422CC819BB006F@PCX58>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="UTF-8"

I have been using the Flex 5K with Win7 64bit running on an i7 with 12 gb
memory for about 5 years now. Have upgraded software at least 4 major
revisions now running v2.7.2 PowerSDR. This is an awsome radio and my best
radio. Currently have 2 other HF radios: IC7800 and TS2000 and have had many
Kenwood and Yaesu radios over the years. 

There is one area where the Flex 5K falls down and has not really ever
worked. The DSP noise reduction is useless. Over the years I have not seen
any situation where switching on NR improves the ability to copy a weak
signal. The IC7800 DSP NR is FAR superior. When I purchased the Flex at the
Boxborough Ma hamfest the canned demonstration showed incredible signal
improvement using NR. So I wonder when the NR will ever be improved to at
least the usable state.

BTW I?ve tried every conceivable setting on the DSP and Audio config. pages,
have lots of processing power and lots of experience with SDR?s. I work with
the most expensive SDR everyday of the week at my job: The General Dynamics
DMR, at $500K per copy this isn?t comparable but my point is I?m not new to
SDR. That said if I?m missing something I?d like to hear from others who may
have had a different experience.  Again I think this is a great radio just
not great DSP NR.

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 17:29:01 -0600
From: "Mike" 
To: "'David Edwards'" ,   
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR
Message-ID: <003801cf30ef$096f9ba0$1c4ed2e0$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;   charset="utf-8"

You are not alone my friend...

Mike, K4EAR

> -Original Message-
> From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of 
> David Edwards
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:23 PM
> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: [Flexradio] DSP NR
> 
> I have been using the Flex 5K with Win7 64bit running on an i7 with 12 
> gb memory for about 5 years now. Have upgraded software at least 4 
> major revisions now running v2.7.2 PowerSDR. This is an awsome radio 
> and my best radio. Currently have 2 other HF radios: IC7800 and TS2000 
> and have had many Kenwood and Yaesu radios over the years.
> 
> There is one area where the Flex 5K falls down and has not really ever 
> worked. The DSP noise reduction is useless. Over the years I have not 
> seen any situation where switching on NR improves the ability to copy 
> a weak signal. The IC7800 DSP NR is FAR superior. When I purchased the 
> Flex at the Boxborough Ma hamfest the canned demonstration showed 
> incredible signal improvement using NR. So I wonder when the NR will 
> ever be improved to at least the usable state.
> 
> BTW I?ve tried every conceivable setting on the DSP and Audio config. 
> pages, have lots of processing power and lots of experience with 
> SDR?s. I work with the most expensive SDR everyday of the week at my 
> job: The General Dynamics DMR, at $500K per copy this isn?t comparable 
> but my point is I?m not new to SDR. That said if I?m missing something 
> I?d like to hear from others who may have had a different experience.  
> Again I think this is a great radio just not great DSP NR.
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Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

2014-02-24 Thread Edwin Marzan 
It's all in the algorithm. Eventually the technology for some type of adaptive 
algorithm will be made available to us that will take care of any type of 
noise. I wonder if the General Dynamics DMR already has it!


> From: w...@verizon.net
> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:23:29 -0500
> Subject: [Flexradio] DSP NR
> 
> I have been using the Flex 5K with Win7 64bit running on an i7 with 12 gb 
> memory for about 5 years now. Have upgraded software at least 4 major 
> revisions now running v2.7.2 PowerSDR. This is an awsome radio and my best 
> radio. Currently have 2 other HF radios: IC7800 and TS2000 and have had many 
> Kenwood and Yaesu radios over the years. 
> 
> There is one area where the Flex 5K falls down and has not really ever 
> worked. The DSP noise reduction is useless. Over the years I have not seen 
> any situation where switching on NR improves the ability to copy a weak 
> signal. The IC7800 DSP NR is FAR superior. When I purchased the Flex at the 
> Boxborough Ma hamfest the canned demonstration showed incredible signal 
> improvement using NR. So I wonder when the NR will ever be improved to at 
> least the usable state.
> 
> BTW I’ve tried every conceivable setting on the DSP and Audio config. pages, 
> have lots of processing power and lots of experience with SDR’s. I work with 
> the most expensive SDR everyday of the week at my job: The General Dynamics 
> DMR, at $500K per copy this isn’t comparable but my point is I’m not new to 
> SDR. That said if I’m missing something I’d like to hear from others who may 
> have had a different experience.  Again I think this is a great radio just 
> not great DSP NR.
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Re: [Flexradio] A problem of a different sort

2014-02-24 Thread GARY HUBER 
Noise is probably from the power supply driving the LEDs... other LCD 
monitors use fluorescent tubes as the light source behind the LCD and of 
course fluorescent tubes and their power supplies can be excellent noise 
sources.


I use a TimeWave ANC-4 to knock down the local (shack) electrical noise when 
trying to work the weak ones.



73 ES DX,
Gary -- AB9M

-Original Message- 
From: William and Susan

Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 7:44 AM
To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] A problem of a different sort

Hello to all,
It was not that long ago when we all had complaints from neighbors about us 
interfering with their equipment.  lol  Now here it is reversed and perhaps 
some of you have the same problem.  My monitor for the radio is totally 
wiping out my 2 meter transmitter radio ( I do mean this monitor) and I mean 
to the point where the noise eliminates whomever I am listening to.
I could understand if it was a Plasma monitor (they are the worse noise 
machines on the planet) but this is a led monitor.  Now, I admit that this 
monitor is a 29 inch TV that accepts input for the computer HDMI.  I have 
put on all the Terroids and ferrite beads I can fit and still it does not 
help.

Has anyone had this problem using a strictly computer monitor??
Thanks Bill the Bull   Love it.

As for those folks with NR problems.  I do not know.  Mine works Great.  I 
use the Flex 3000

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Re: [Flexradio] A problem of a different sort

2014-02-24 Thread george 
I Had this same problem a long time ago.  I replaced the monitor with a newer 
model and the problem went away.
 
>From what I have learned over the years, some monitors cause problems, some 
>don't.
 
George
K2CM
 
- Original Message - Subject: [Flexradio] A problem of a 
different sort
From: "William and Susan" 
Date: 2/24/14 6:44 am
To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz

Hello to all,
 It was not that long ago when we all had complaints from neighbors about us 
interfering with their equipment. lol Now here it is reversed and perhaps some 
of you have the same problem. My monitor for the radio is totally wiping out my 
2 meter transmitter radio ( I do mean this monitor) and I mean to the point 
where the noise eliminates whomever I am listening to.
 I could understand if it was a Plasma monitor (they are the worse noise 
machines on the planet) but this is a led monitor. Now, I admit that this 
monitor is a 29 inch TV that accepts input for the computer HDMI. I have put on 
all the Terroids and ferrite beads I can fit and still it does not help. 
 Has anyone had this problem using a strictly computer monitor?? 
 Thanks Bill the Bull Love it. 
 
 As for those folks with NR problems. I do not know. Mine works Great. I use 
the Flex 3000
 Ok talk to you soon 
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[Flexradio] A problem of a different sort

2014-02-24 Thread William and Susan 
Hello to all,
It was not that long ago when we all had complaints from neighbors about us 
interfering with their equipment.  lol  Now here it is reversed and perhaps 
some of you have the same problem.  My monitor for the radio is totally wiping 
out my 2 meter transmitter radio ( I do mean this monitor) and I mean to the 
point where the noise eliminates whomever I am listening to.
I could understand if it was a Plasma monitor (they are the worse noise 
machines on the planet) but this is a led monitor.  Now, I admit that this 
monitor is a 29 inch TV that accepts input for the computer HDMI.  I have put 
on all the Terroids and ferrite beads I can fit and still it does not help.  
Has anyone had this problem using a strictly computer monitor??  
Thanks Bill the Bull   Love it.  

As for those folks with NR problems.  I do not know.  Mine works Great.  I use 
the Flex 3000
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Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

2014-02-24 Thread Michael Walker 
I would disagree on both the Scope and the NR.

I have had a Flex for many years.  The NR has made a difference and is
certainly better than the NR on any other radio that I have used.  The NR
is not plug and play, nor it is it locked down that those hard coded units
I have with very little adjustment.  NR is a very complicated algorithm and
most noises are not the same.  However, the use of the NR and a frequency
designed receiving antenna have made the largest difference in my ability
to hear things.

As for the Scope, I wouldn't live without it.  The Histogram is very useful
when watching other stations on their audio distribution and is certainly
better then anything else.  In my 6M work, it is invaluable for spotting
signals, although the spurs do drive me crazy at times.

As for AM, I never use it as I personally find it a waste of bandwidth, but
that is just me.  I personally feel that our goal is to get the information
of a QSO across the ether and you don't need 5Khz to do that.  I'm not
trying to upset the AM guys, just my view of AM, while very historic, is
just not efficient.  It is good that we have so many options even including
DV.

For those of you who don't like the NR or don't like the Scope, then why
are you still using the radio and have not moved on to something else?

Mike va3mw



On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 5:28 AM, Burt  wrote:

> From Real life:
> The scope is NOTHING like a real scope, try to use it on AM to monitor
> either your or the other stations AM envelope.
> I agree with comments about NR, useless.
>
> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:35 PM, Jay  wrote:
>
> The Scope display is also useful when used while adjusting the "useless"
> NR button. I like the Scope display i like the Pan_A_Scope display even
> more. I don't see much use for the histogram and phase2 displays though.
> What are they for?
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Re: [Flexradio] DSP NR

2014-02-24 Thread Burt 
>From Real life:
The scope is NOTHING like a real scope, try to use it on AM to monitor either 
your or the other stations AM envelope.
I agree with comments about NR, useless. 

On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:35 PM, Jay  wrote:
 
The Scope display is also useful when used while adjusting the "useless" 
NR button. I like the Scope display i like the Pan_A_Scope display even 
more. I don't see much use for the histogram and phase2 displays though. 
What are they for?
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