[Flexradio] SDR-Breadboard

2006-05-15 Thread Cowdery, Bob [UK]
Folks

 

Thank you to everyone that took the time to try things out. From your
feedback I have spent a fair bit of time really getting the install
process down to a fine art. There are now two ways to install, a quick
install and a full install. The quick install starts you off with a
pre-built image containing all the pre-requisites leaving you just to
install the application. The full install really does spell everything
out now. I went through and followed my own instructions to build a new
image and found a lot of things I had not mentioned that could throw
people off-course. It was very enlightening and I can sympathise with
anyone trying to follow previous incarnations of the process,
particularly the first attempts which were woefully inadequate. Please
check it out at http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/g3ukb/installation.htm. The
quick install should get you up and running in 30 minutes or so if all
goes well. As always, any problems let me know and I will do my best to
sort them.

 

 - 73 de Bob 


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Re: [Flexradio] SDRBreadboard up and running

2006-05-14 Thread Cowdery, Bob [UK]
Just to elaborate a little on Joe's experience. It is a different beast,
but if you start out considering it to be another OS running in a
virtual machine inside your OS what you have to do becomes a lot
clearer. There are a number of pre-requisite things you have to install
into that environment; you then save that environment so you never have
to do that again. Then you have a clean environment to install
SDR-Breadboard. I have done more work on the installation page
(http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/g3ukb/installation.htm) with lots of screen
shots to make it very step-by-step. 

The more people that have a go the better the web site will get and the
more people there will be to trouble shoot those little foibles you
always get in software. I hope this will encourage a few more to have a
go and see what it's all about.

73 de Bob


Hello all,

Well I installed Bob Cowdery's version 4 of the Squeak SDR Breadboard
and after a double take (the original install file was missing a
component so that the radio did not build correctly, but Bob has
corrected that now), my SDR-1000 plays Squeak QSOs (no pun intended).
Boy, this is different and fun all in one and one cannot help admire all
the amazing work Bob has done.

I will admit that I was slightly ahead of the game as over several weeks
in April I decided to give Squeak a whirl, which started a regular back
and forth email with Bob. He helped me ultimately get it all working
(that was back in the days when the installation instructions were much
more rudimentary than they are now) and together we worked on getting it
to work with the RFE board and the Delta-44 sound card. Bob would do all
the programming (my programming skills are limited at best) and I would
feed back the results, as he still only has the original three-board
stack at this point.

What I can say, and this may help others, is that it took me a while to
figure out the difference between Squeak and other applications. Usually
under windows, when you double click on a file created by an
application, windows will automatically start up that application and
then open the file. You can of course instruct windows to start up
Squeak when you double click on a Squeak image (image is Squeak speak
for everything you have running under Squeak at that point in time) and
all will appear OK, ie Squeak starts and image is displayed, but nothing
will work. What you need to do is when you've installed Squeak, copy the
whole directory in which the Squeak application resides to a new
directory (let's call it folder 2). Start Squeak, build an image (by
loading files into squeak, or installing applications, or anything else)
and save it to that same directory. Next time you want to start up that
image, drag it over the Squeak.exe icon in the same folder and all will
work.

More specifically, open folder 2, start Squeak.exe and when you have
gone through all the many preliminary SDRBreadboard installation steps
necessary and described on Bob's website, save the image (in a blank
space click and select save as...Save it in the same directory (folder
2) from where you opened Squeak. This will be your back-up so that you
will not need to go through all those installation steps again. Close
Squeak and copy the whole folder 2 directory containing Squeak and the
image you just built to a new directory (folder 3). Folder 2 will now
always be your back-up.

Open folder 3, drag the image you just created over Squeak.exe (both in
folder 3) and continue to install SDRBreadboard. After you have
installed SDRBreadboard, again save the image, but under a different
name. (you will now have 2 images in your Squeak working directory: the
pristine, base image you created earlier and the SDRBreadboard image, as
well as Squeak.exe). To start SDRBreadboard in future, open folder 3 and
drag the SDRBreadboard image over Squeak.exe and all should work.

I hope this helps. I know it sounds confusing (believe me I was for a
long time!) and it does take some getting used to, but when it does all
work is a lot of fun.



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Re: [Flexradio] SDR-Breadboard

2006-05-12 Thread Cowdery, Bob [UK]
KD5NWA wrote:

 You have at least one comment, mine.

Thanks for taking the time.

 The way out in the fringe way of doing the software looks interesting

 and your displays look a lot nicer that the last time I looked.

I'm no graphic artist but when I get fed up with looking at the same
screen I usually play a bit and by degrees the look will improve.
 
 Seriously, I'll take a detailed look on Sunday.

Any comments welcome.

 Off the top of my head, I would be more interested in a Linux port, 
 I'm slowly moving away from Windows, and another functional SDR 
 software package that I could fiddle with would be welcomed, that is 
 if you have release the code to the public.

You are the second person to express that interest. The software is
released under a very liberal license so no problems there. I did start
off with the DSP on Linux but I haven't yet created a HW controller
plugin on Linux. Squeak itself runs bit identical on Windows, Unix/Linux
and OSX. I have run it on Linux but don't have a Mac.

 As far as multi-platform if it can be reasonably done so it's 
 supported in multiple platforms so much the better, if you can run 
 under OSX that would be a big plus for me.

See above. No problem for Squeak to run under OSX. The DSP and HW
Controller would need to be ported and built or perhaps use Linux for
the backend to avoid that port.

 I'm curious what sort of PC have you used this software with, so I 
 can determine approximately the CPU power required.
 
Nothing special, a 2.4GHz Pentium IV. The biggest consumer of cycles
will be the various graphic displays which aren't finished right now. I
expect CPU to be around 25% when they are done. However, for serious use
I will put the DSP on Linux on its own so it has a stable environment.
Squeak then runs on both boxes with Opera Object Request Broker making
the connection.

 I'll give you more opinions and questions after I look at it more
thoroughly.

Please do.

At 04:13 PM 5/11/2006, Cowdery, Bob [UK] wrote:
Folks



Version 4.0 is now released and on the SqueakMap. The web site
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/g3ukb/ is up to date and contains a fair bit
more info. I have even joined hamsdr.com so the link is there as well.
This version has a lot of improvements and is much easier to manage. If
all this means absolutely nothing to you then please spend a few
minutes
just looking at the web site. If interested then just a few hours of
your precious time would be much appreciated to give it a whirl. Thanks
to those that helped shape this release. It is still a work in progress
but the current functionality is stable and very self contained so it
won't pollute your system with random files! If there is enough
interest
I will do the Teamspeak thing to answer questions.



I really am interested in your views and would love to have a
discussion. I don't mind adverse comments in the least but it would be
really disappointing to have no comments. Do you have a view on cross
platform versa single platform? On languages? On single versa
multi-machine deployment? On software front panels that imitate
hardware
versa software focused controls? On monolithic versa component GUI's?
On
the price of beer? Can anyone donate a brand new SDR1000 to a poor old
guy that only has an old 3 board stack and may not have a job in a few
months so can't get XYL approval to spend money?



The forum has been very quiet lately; perhaps there really is no one
out
there...



- 73 de Bob (G3UKB)


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[Flexradio] SDR-Breadboard - the next release

2006-05-12 Thread Cowdery, Bob [UK]
I have a very high level priority list of what comes next, partially
from feedback and partially from what I want/need to do. There are just
three things on this list but they are all quite major tasks so there
will probably be a release after each one.

 

1.  Graphic display, it's high time it gained one of these.
2.  Enhancements to the SDR Manager so it can handle multiple
configurations and hand built configurations can be sucked in as
definitions so they can be rebuilt automatically. This is essential for
experimenting, running multiple configs and distributing new radio
configurations, also a precursor to (3).
3.  Create an equivalent Linux radio to the current Windows one by
wrapping the Linux DSP and Controller code.

 

The actual point of the post is to ask for help in defining the
functionality and design of the display component. I want to collect a
comprehensive set of requirements. They can be as zany as you like, 3D
time displaced, bookmarks, zoom, pan, magnify, resize, fold out
sections. The user interaction is also a key area, how are these
functions accessed and what interaction is required, for example rubber
band an area to zoom or set a filter, drag tune with the mouse, sample a
peak to see what's there. I'm not saying I will do it all but the design
needs to accommodate the possibilities. If anyone wants to help in the
class design that would also be excellent. This is one area where it
makes sense to really thrash out the design before coding.

 

Assume I know nothing, stating the obvious is not a problem as sometimes
the obvious gets missed.

 

73 and looking forward to some interesting ideas

 

- Bob (G3UKB)


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[Flexradio] SDR-Breadboard

2006-05-11 Thread Cowdery, Bob [UK]
Folks

 

Version 4.0 is now released and on the SqueakMap. The web site
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/g3ukb/ is up to date and contains a fair bit
more info. I have even joined hamsdr.com so the link is there as well.
This version has a lot of improvements and is much easier to manage. If
all this means absolutely nothing to you then please spend a few minutes
just looking at the web site. If interested then just a few hours of
your precious time would be much appreciated to give it a whirl. Thanks
to those that helped shape this release. It is still a work in progress
but the current functionality is stable and very self contained so it
won't pollute your system with random files! If there is enough interest
I will do the Teamspeak thing to answer questions.

 

I really am interested in your views and would love to have a
discussion. I don't mind adverse comments in the least but it would be
really disappointing to have no comments. Do you have a view on cross
platform versa single platform? On languages? On single versa
multi-machine deployment? On software front panels that imitate hardware
versa software focused controls? On monolithic versa component GUI's? On
the price of beer? Can anyone donate a brand new SDR1000 to a poor old
guy that only has an old 3 board stack and may not have a job in a few
months so can't get XYL approval to spend money?

 

The forum has been very quiet lately; perhaps there really is no one out
there...

 

- 73 de Bob (G3UKB)   


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[Flexradio] SDR-Breadboard

2006-03-14 Thread Cowdery, Bob [UK]

Hi Joe

Although I started out wrapping the Linux DSP code I moved over to the
Windows DSP code a while ago. Both are supported but I've not done
anything with the Linux DSP component for a while. So yes, it all runs
on a Windows box provided your soundcard is the default one as I've not
done anything with sound card configuration yet.

73 
Bob (G3UKB)

 Just for clarification: when you say should work right out of the
box on 
 Windows, does this mean you are now also supporting connecting the
hardware 
 to a windows machine? If so, does that change anything in the
installation instructions?

 Keep up the great work - it's a real eye-opener

 Cheers,
 73 de Joe - AB1DO

Bob (G3UKB) wrote:


A new version is up on Squeak map and http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/g3ukb/
 http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/g3ukb/  has been updated with more 
 information
 and a high level design in UML. This is probably the first 'usable' 
 version
 for RX (depends on your definition of usable of course!). The install
 includes a new project with a dual-watch configuration that should
work
 right out the box on Windows.



 73

 Bob (G3UKB)


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[Flexradio] FW: A unified architecture?

2006-02-20 Thread Cowdery, Bob [UK]
I didn't see any replies, but then I didn't see this message either so
maybe it didn't get posted for some reason. Apologies if anyone gets it
twice.

 



I have a question on the game plan for Windows, Linux and WHY
architectures, not individually, but as a whole. I have been following
all the discussions but they have not helped me resolve this issue so I
guess the only way to find out is to ask.

 

Having dabbled with both implementations there is something that has now
moved high on my wish list. I have my Smalltalk radio talking to both
the Windows and the Linux jsdr implementations. However, the way it does
so is quite different. For Windows it's a plugin dll and for Linux it
talks through named pipes. For Windows I had to move audio processing
back in and make a number of other changes to achieve the integration. 

 

I would love a single code line for jsdr that had the same interface and
the same functionality on all platforms. The key things I would really
like are.

 

1. A unified messaging interface that is not targeted, so that different
external interfaces could be mapped on top to expose jsdr to C#, Java,
Python, Lisp, Smalltalk or as a web service, raw socket service or WHY
in a way that is the most natural for the language/environment. I don't
care particularly what the messaging format is as long as it is
expressive enough to cope with complex data formats. What I would be
less happy with is a completely separate Windows and Linux jsdr that did
exactly what each environment required with a hard coded external
interface.

 

2. For audio processing to be part of jsdr on all platforms and use
PortAudio on all, rather than PortAudio on Windows and Jack on Linux.
This means all management of sound cards, dual cards, VAC and Jack (I
assume Jack would be used under PortAudio for routing) would be common.

 

Is anything like this on the roadmap? Is it a load of rubbish and are
there reasons why it will never be like this? My worst nightmare at the
moment is that I will keep putting effort into redoing my changes to
jsdr every time I want to take a new cut. If it is moving in this
direction then I am sure I could help in some way.

 

Best 73

Bob (G3UKB)


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Re: [Flexradio] A unified architecture?

2006-02-20 Thread Cowdery, Bob [UK]

Frank

Wow, that was a fast response. It took 12 hours for my message to hit
the list and 30 seconds to get a reply. I don't want to push for
decisions when the design is still in a state of flux but anything that
is fairly concrete will help me plan what I do to fit in with what's
coming.

The answer is, Yes to the first, Probably to the second.

That's good news.

The basic command interface to jsdr is not going to change. The 
convoluted way it gets used under Windows is an artifact of the 
development process. The commands are fetched, down at the metal,
using 
basic file I/O. It's done in such a way that what the associated file 
descriptor is attached to can be a FIFO, a socket, or anything else
that 
can be turned into a file descriptor :-)

Yes, I did follow that part through and plugged straight into the
sendcommand() interface in update.c plus retained the call level
interface for everything that does not use that route. Do I take it then
that this interface will remain and that the XML interface planned for
the Windows rewrite will sit atop this but only for remote calls? What
about the spectrum, meter data, will this remain pipes on Linux or be a
direct call interface as on Windows.   

In short, the existing Linux strategy is supportable everywhere with a

thin layer of glue. The cruft around it in the current PowerSDR is 
unfortunate but not essential.

On the second point, we'll see if the PortAudio development can carry 
the weight of all versions. If so, then the direct jack interface will

be converted to PortAudio. There's about to be a development branch
with 
PortAudio in it instead of jack.

That sounds very promising. Has anyone made a decision about whether the
Windows audio.cs moves over to jsdr? It's not that big an issue as it's
pretty well separated which ever side it sits but not sure how you would
do remoting without jsdr doing the audio.

73
Bob

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a question on the game plan for Windows, Linux and WHY
architectures,
 not individually, but as a whole. I have been following all the
discussions
 but they have not helped me resolve this issue so I guess the only way
to
 find out is to ask.
 
  
 
 Having dabbled with both implementations there is something that has
now
 moved high on my wish list. I have my Smalltalk radio talking to both
the
 Windows and the Linux jsdr implementations. However, the way it does
so is
 quite different. For Windows it's a plugin dll and for Linux it talks
 through named pipes. For Windows I had to move audio processing back
in and
 make a number of other changes to achieve the integration. 
 
  
 
 I would love a single code line for jsdr that had the same interface
and the
 same functionality on all platforms. The key things I would really
like are.
 
  
 
 1. A unified messaging interface that is not targeted, so that
different
 external interfaces could be mapped on top to expose jsdr to C#, Java,
 Python, Lisp, Smalltalk or as a web service, raw socket service or WHY
in a
 way that is the most natural for the language/environment. I don't
care
 particularly what the messaging format is as long as it is expressive
enough
 to cope with complex data formats. What I would hate is a completely
 separate Windows and Linux jsdr that did exactly what each environment
 required with a hard coded external interface.
 
  
 
 2. For audio processing to be part of jsdr on all platforms and use
 PortAudio on all, rather than PortAudio on Windows and Jack on Linux.
This
 means all management of sound cards, dual cards, VAC and Jack (I
assume Jack
 would be used under PortAudio for routing) would be common.
 
  
 
 Is anything like this on the roadmap? Is it a load of rubbish and are
there
 reasons why it will never be like this? My worst nightmare at the
moment is
 that I will keep putting effort into redoing my changes to jsdr every
time I
 want to take a new cut. If it is moving in this direction then I am
sure I
 could help in some way.
 
  
 
 Best 73
 
 Bob (G3UKB)
 
 
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[Flexradio] [ Beginners - Experts - Terminology and stuff

2006-02-03 Thread Cowdery, Bob [UK]











Gerald said:

 Your comments are welcome.





Just some thoughts.



I think the more places there are to post
messages the more difficult it becomes for users to determine the appropriate place
to post and the harder it is to monitor. Many topics will fall into more than
one category or be misinterpreted by the user and incorrectly posted.
Ive seen multi-list forums where the most popular message is to post
your message somewhere else.



The reflector and the forum serve
different purposes. I think one of the reasons why forum messages have fallen
off is that people are not sure how many people actually monitor the forum on a
regular basis now, and therefore post everything on the reflector. If there
were a set of topics on the forum that supported what the forum is really good
at like announcements, information and software releases etc rather than long
conversational topics that might work. So if you have something with a long
lifetime to say use the forum, if you want to start a conversation use the
reflector. A message on the reflector to say there is something on the forum
wont hurt.



On the question of separating out the
threads on the reflector and avoid the wrong impresion,
its difficult. One possible way is to post on the forum the rules and
the topic prefix to be used on messages like [BETA], [OPERATION], [LINUX SW],
[WINDOWS SW], [OFF TOPIC] etc. It requires discipline on the part of users and
a moderator to be quite tough if the rules are broken. It can then be made
clear that people looking for certain types of information or qualification
should look mainly at messages with certain topic prefixes. Its just a
variation on multiple lists but maybe a bit more flexible. Not my idea, other
lists do this but usually not enforced so prefixes are assigned for special
topics only and most messages dont have them. You could even assign a
prefix for a Beta release which only lives for that release etc etc.



Bob




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[Flexradio] Smalltalk SDR Project

2006-01-13 Thread Cowdery, Bob [UK]








The Smalltalk SDR project which I have named
SDR-Breadboard is now available for download through the Squeak Map. This is a one
click install for XP and Linux. The project homepage has also been updated a
little at http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/g3ukb/
.



73

Bob (G3UKB)




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Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR DttSP v1.4.5 preview 10 Linux port

2006-01-07 Thread Cowdery, Bob [UK]


 I have a port of DttSP from PowerSDR v1.4.5 preview 10 to Linux
running 
 with FFTW3 on my Fedora Core 4 Linux box.

 There are some changes to the fifo interface so there is also a new 
 version of my Java GUI to go with it.

 For details and downloading see http://microsat.homelinux.org/dttsp

 Currently there is not a version of the command line interface ported 
 for this version.

John, well done on doing the port. I had considered doing that myself to
get an up to date release. 

I don't know about others but I for one would really appreciate a
statement on the direction of the Linux jsdr. In the beginning Linux was
the master source which was then ported to Windows. Now we have a port
back from Windows to Linux. If all the recent work that has been done on
the Windows version was not done on Linux first then that makes sense. 

Frank/Bob please help out here.

73
Bob

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Re: [Flexradio] A bit of light entertainment ... connectors doc umentation

2006-01-07 Thread Cowdery, Bob [UK]

 Thanks for the code.   I have managed to load most of the extra 
 packages.  Now I just need to understand what they do.   I also 
 downloaded jsdr and will try to get that going with my SDR-1000.I 
 have quite a bit of learning to do so it may be a while before I get 
 squeak controlling my radio.Squeak is a pretty interesting 
 software environment.   I like the way you can save the image and 
 start up right where you were.

Getting jsdr going is pretty straight forward. The problem I had was
getting Linux to recognise my Santa Cruz sound card. The real nightmare
was with wxPython but thankfully I don't have to deal with that now.
There is huge potential with Squeak and Morphic, a lot can happen with
very little code. As you say its' nice to be able to leave something you
were right in the middle of and come back days later knowing you can
pick up right where you left off. 

 Do you know of anyone who is using GNURadio to control the SDR-1000?

I think there were some moves in that direction but I've not been
personally involved.

 I will probably be asking a few more questions as I get closser to 
 hooking things up.

Pleased to help where ever I can.

73
Bob

Forgot these. Change the path in SDRPool to match where you put them.
Only a few are required but I couldn't be bothered to sort them.

Bob
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Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR DttSP v1.4.5 preview 10 Linux port

2006-01-07 Thread Cowdery, Bob [UK]



Cowdery, Bob [UK] wrote:

 I don't know about others but I for one would really appreciate a
 statement on the direction of the Linux jsdr. In the beginning Linux
was
 the master source which was then ported to Windows...

Frank Brickle wrote:
The Linux and Windows versions have officially forked...

Thanks for the update Frank and very pleased to know the Linux jsdr is
still very much happening. I will hang-fire until you good chaps are
happy with the next release.

73
Bob
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Re: [Flexradio] A bit of light entertainment

2005-12-29 Thread Cowdery, Bob [UK]
 You're too modest, Bob. This is exactly what I (personally, from a
very 
 jaundiced point of view) want an SDR to be.

I never blow my trumpet too hard Frank incase it falls apart! I hope
this effort will have a longer life span and I think maybe it will.

I made a few small updates to my web page so text wraps, had to cut the
pic in half (must be a better way). Added the installation info.

73
Bob

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 Ok guys. I think a bit of real information is called for here.


73
Frank
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