Re: [Flexradio] 2 radios
It depends on whether or not the drivers adhere strictly to the ASIO SDK 2 rules. There can only be ONE ASIO device in a system that adhere strictly to the rules. There is an alternative that needs further investigation. Bob N4HY Lee A Crocker wrote: I know the firewire will handle more than one thing the question is can the same drivers be active at the same time and identify each radio uniquely. I'm sure it can be worked out. The firebox drivers are so anal that they won't even allow a firebox card to be swapped out for another firebox card without uninstalling and reinstalling the drivers. Those drivers lock themselves to a specific card. 73 W9OY __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ -- AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair Taking fun as simply fun and earnestness in earnest shows how thoroughly thou none of the two discernest. - Piet Hine ___ FlexRadio mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] 2 radios
I don't have a clue, but they software was treating it as live video and kept track of dropped frames and there were none. My son was very anti-Mac but he was having problem doing professional quality videos without dropping some frames, I put this demo to test the systems and show him that at the time (middle to late 90's) if he wanted to do decent video he needed to do it on a Mac and use my Firewire drives to store the videos. After that demo he ate crow and asked if he could have one of the 8500's, he had no dropped frame issues after that. The moral is that Firewire when implemented correctly is awesome for high data rates with data that is time sensitive, that was the purpose behind it when Apple invented it in the first place. Something is not quite right with the Windows implementation, I notice a huge transfer rate difference between my Mac and my PC's running Windows using the same drives, cables, and interface cards. I also noticed that when transferring a lot of data, if I ask for a second set of transfers at the same time, the Windows PC chokes on it, while the Mac does not, something is not quite right in Windows. At 11:54 AM 4/15/2007, you wrote: At 11:31 PM 4/14/2007, you wrote: I did a test a few years back with two old Mac's, I had eight commercial quality videos flying about through the Firewire setup at the same time and it didn't even burp once. Audio even at 192KHz is nothing compared to the video streams. Disclaimer: that was on MAC's, they handle video like a duck takes to the water, these were however very old Mac's, 8500's with 350MHz G3 CPU's. But isn't this a packet system in which the data goes in packets with error-checking on each batch? If this is true then when a glitch occurs the system stops and gets another copy - the system could slow down to a crawl and the data would still get through eventually, but might NOT be happening at the video's real-time data rate speed. You don't want pops and lapses in the audio coming through if you are actually listening to it rather than simply transferring a file. Jerry W4UK Cecil K5NWA www.qrpradio.com www.hpsdr.com Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti catapultas habebunt. (When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults!) ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] 2 radios
Can the new Flex 5000 run as below ?? Would it be possible using 2 monitors and sound cards, running versions of the software in separate directories under windows XP pro to have 2 radios on one computer I also use Logic 8 logging software and control. I guess I could use 2 monitor with one radio screen and a logging screen for Logic 8 . de Skip K3CC ___ FlexRadio mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] 2 radios
The F5K does not have a sound card. The hardware has been upgraded and what used to be done in a sound card is now done in a dedicated internal DSP unit. So if you purchase 2 x 5K's you basically have 2 complete systems. That being said I do not presently know if you can run 2 firewire based 5K's on the same system. I have 2 SDR-1K's and I run them at the same time every day. For the SDR-1K's I have to use 2 different sound cards since the drivers for the firebox or the FA-66 do not allow 2 instances of the product. What I run is one Firebox and one FA-66, one radio on a parallel port and the other on a USB adapter. I use one as a CW radio exclusively and one as SSB/AM/Digital/IF for my transverters all purpose goof around radio. One radio uses a serial interface for CW input and the other uses the jack on the back. PowerSDR for each rig is in its own seperate SVN folder. Each radio had to be initialized seperately and the cal routines gone through seperately, and they basically are totally independent. With respect to CAT control I don't know if Logic 8 allows you to run 2 seperate radios simultenaously. I use the DXlab suite which uses a soft control button to switch back and forth between rigs, and I can do that fine. The problem comes when you want a DX cluter spot to tune the CW radio, how does the CAT program tell which radio it is supposed to be sending commands to? So basically I think if Logic 8 is smart enough to run 2 CAT radios, 2 instances of PowerSDR is smart enough to respond. 73 W9OY __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] 2 radios
Also I do use 2 monitors under XP. I have the monitors configured as one bid extended desktop. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] 2 radios
Tnx very much Lee for your info. I run PropNet from here with PSK controlling 2 radios . Each has a separate soundcard and software in a separate directory. Both radio have access to the internet for reporting Catches. At the same time I have both an Orion and Ft 1000MP/mkV control using Logic 8. Logic 8 will control up to 6 radios at one time. DX Cluster can be switched to any radio. My computer has 10 comports, USB , Firewire and network into the internet. My idea is the same as yours. I would like to use one SDR for a dedicated HF radio and the other for digital and transverters. I guess I should do some reading on Firewire. I was under the impression that Firewire was similar to USB allowing multi connects. I also read the info incorrectly about the new radio. I thought it would be available with/without the soundcard. I have another computer which will go online this week. Another is in the works as the price drops on Intel dual core CPU's and Asus mother boards. Tnx agn de Skip K3CC ___ FlexRadio mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] 2 radios
Hi Skip, FireWire allows for multi connects, we had a system with several tenth of harddisks connected trough firewire. Each ATA disk had a small PCboard connected with a firewire in- and out- connector. I do not know if the 5000 will have an in- and an out- connector, but bandwidth will sure be a problem if devices are daisy chained. Can use multiple ports on the PC however. I hope the software makes that possible.(processing power is less an issue) 73 groeten Peter petervn(a)hetnet.nl mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; pa0pvn(a)hetnet.nl mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; pa0pvn(a)gmail.com ; pa0pvn(a)amsat.org . Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] namens Skip K3CC Verzonden: za 14-4-2007 22:28 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: [Flexradio] 2 radios Tnx very much Lee for your info. I run PropNet from here with PSK controlling 2 radios . Each has a separate soundcard and software in a separate directory. Both radio have access to the internet for reporting Catches. At the same time I have both an Orion and Ft 1000MP/mkV control using Logic 8. Logic 8 will control up to 6 radios at one time. DX Cluster can be switched to any radio. My computer has 10 comports, USB , Firewire and network into the internet. My idea is the same as yours. I would like to use one SDR for a dedicated HF radio and the other for digital and transverters. I guess I should do some reading on Firewire. I was under the impression that Firewire was similar to USB allowing multi connects. I also read the info incorrectly about the new radio. I thought it would be available with/without the soundcard. I have another computer which will go online this week. Another is in the works as the price drops on Intel dual core CPU's and Asus mother boards. Tnx agn de Skip K3CC ___ FlexRadio mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20070415/15cee3e6/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] 2 radios
I did a test a few years back with two old Mac's, I had eight commercial quality videos flying about through the Firewire setup at the same time and it didn't even burp once. Audio even at 192KHz is nothing compared to the video streams. Disclaimer: that was on MAC's, they handle video like a duck takes to the water, these were however very old Mac's, 8500's with 350MHz G3 CPU's. Has anyone run optimized DSP code on a PPC MAC with Altivec? At 05:56 PM 4/14/2007, you wrote: Hi Skip, FireWire allows for multi connects, we had a system with several tenth of harddisks connected trough firewire. Each ATA disk had a small PCboard connected with a firewire in- and out- connector. I do not know if the 5000 will have an in- and an out- connector, but bandwidth will sure be a problem if devices are daisy chained. Can use multiple ports on the PC however. I hope the software makes that possible.(processing power is less an issue) 73 groeten Peter petervn(a)hetnet.nl mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; pa0pvn(a)hetnet.nl mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; pa0pvn(a)gmail.com ; pa0pvn(a)amsat.org . Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] namens Skip K3CC Verzonden: za 14-4-2007 22:28 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: [Flexradio] 2 radios Tnx very much Lee for your info. I run PropNet from here with PSK controlling 2 radios . Each has a separate soundcard and software in a separate directory. Both radio have access to the internet for reporting Catches. At the same time I have both an Orion and Ft 1000MP/mkV control using Logic 8. Logic 8 will control up to 6 radios at one time. DX Cluster can be switched to any radio. My computer has 10 comports, USB , Firewire and network into the internet. My idea is the same as yours. I would like to use one SDR for a dedicated HF radio and the other for digital and transverters. I guess I should do some reading on Firewire. I was under the impression that Firewire was similar to USB allowing multi connects. I also read the info incorrectly about the new radio. I thought it would be available with/without the soundcard. I have another computer which will go online this week. Another is in the works as the price drops on Intel dual core CPU's and Asus mother boards. Tnx agn de Skip K3CC ___ FlexRadio mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20070415/15cee3e6/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Cecil KD5NWA www.qrpradio.com www.hpsdr.com Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti catapultas habebunt. (When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults!) ___ FlexRadio mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] 2 radios
I know the firewire will handle more than one thing the question is can the same drivers be active at the same time and identify each radio uniquely. I'm sure it can be worked out. The firebox drivers are so anal that they won't even allow a firebox card to be swapped out for another firebox card without uninstalling and reinstalling the drivers. Those drivers lock themselves to a specific card. 73 W9OY __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] 2 radios
I know in that test I had 2 masters (CPU's), and two HD connected together, with no problems, but on my Windows PC if you connect two masters, the Blue Screen of Death will hit in a second or two. Windows does not seem to handle Firewire too well, I have terrible corruption problems when I would hook up a 2.5 TB array to it, I ended hooking it up to a Linux PC so I would stop the incessant file loss. All is not well in Billy land. At 11:17 PM 4/14/2007, you wrote: I know the firewire will handle more than one thing the question is can the same drivers be active at the same time and identify each radio uniquely. I'm sure it can be worked out. The firebox drivers are so anal that they won't even allow a firebox card to be swapped out for another firebox card without uninstalling and reinstalling the drivers. Those drivers lock themselves to a specific card. 73 W9OY __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ FlexRadio mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Cecil K5NWA www.qrpradio.com www.hpsdr.com Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti catapultas habebunt. (When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults!) ___ FlexRadio mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
