Re: [Flexradio] 16 versus 24 bit audio ... how do you make these measurements?

2006-05-29 Thread Robert McGwier
I  use RMAA as your measuring engine.

http://audio.rightmark.org/index_new.shtml

We are trying for a good 16-17 bits total range from these 24 bit 
A/D's.   20*log10(2^16)  = 96 dB.  That said,  we NEED the 24 bit A/D's 
to get those good 16 bits but we do not need to set the sound system to 
24 bits to get the good 16-17 bits.  Peter is trying to justify his 
programming preferences which include not using the more complex tools 
to open sound cards, for example  using WAVEFORMATEXTENSIBLE in the MME 
interface is quite a bit more complex and if you do not need it and 
cannot justify it,  why do it?  On the other hand,  those cards that use 
the highest end chips, such as the Lynx L22,  Emu 1212M,  and Audiophile 
192,  can all use larger than 16 bits and there is no intermediate step, 
you have to go all the way.

Bob



Everett Palmer wrote:
 Hello Peter,

 What software and/or hardware do you use to measure soundcards?

 Thanks,

 Everett, KG6RYB

 At 01:06 PM 5/19/2006, Peter Martinez wrote:
   
 From G3PLX:

 I am just starting to do some serious tests with my new 24-bit Firebox. With
 the audio input of a channel short-circuit, if I analyse the statistics of
 the 24-bit data, I find the bottom 8 bits are ALWAYS random. In fact the
 bottom 9-10 bits are random.

 This tells me there is no point at all in having 24-bit audio. I might just
 as well stay with 16-bits.

 Has anyone here done any rigorous tests comparing 16 and 24-bit audio and
 found any difference?  Like patching the code to mask off the bottom 8 bits
 completely, or replacing the bottom 8 bits with random data. Maybe someone
 has added a checkbox to turn this sort of test feature on and off and see
 what, if any, is the difference in the speaker.

 73
 Peter


 


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Re: [Flexradio] 16 versus 24 bit audio ... how do you make these measurements?

2006-05-28 Thread Everett Palmer
Hello Peter,

What software and/or hardware do you use to measure soundcards?

Thanks,

Everett, KG6RYB

At 01:06 PM 5/19/2006, Peter Martinez wrote:
 From G3PLX:

I am just starting to do some serious tests with my new 24-bit Firebox. With
the audio input of a channel short-circuit, if I analyse the statistics of
the 24-bit data, I find the bottom 8 bits are ALWAYS random. In fact the
bottom 9-10 bits are random.

This tells me there is no point at all in having 24-bit audio. I might just
as well stay with 16-bits.

Has anyone here done any rigorous tests comparing 16 and 24-bit audio and
found any difference?  Like patching the code to mask off the bottom 8 bits
completely, or replacing the bottom 8 bits with random data. Maybe someone
has added a checkbox to turn this sort of test feature on and off and see
what, if any, is the difference in the speaker.

73
Peter


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